Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Sweden are reporting 1/4 of our cases per 100k, with no mask mandates?

How about Denmark? Although I believe they have a higher case count.

Which, to me, shows that it's perfectly manageable to give everyone their lives back and not be held back with restrictions.

Sweden cases per 100k in the last 14day period:133.67

Ireland cases per 100k in last 14day period: 433.68

I fairness to the poster I have seen nothing to even vaguely suggest he/she is anti-vax. Like quite a few, not being in any vulnerable category the poster came across as being a bit laissez-fare on the vaccines and ended up as sick as a small hospital because of it.

It`s debatable if getting a vaccination soon after recovering from infection gives much more protection. Authorities everywhere appear to have the same outlook as proof of having been recently infected carries the same weight as vaccination for Covid passports.

Neither do I see where the gaslighting claim has any substance. I have not seen the poster claim there are no restrictions. If anything in the not distant pass he/she has posted the belief that some restrictions were unnecessary or past their sell by date.

Re: Capacity

Like a lot of things, it is not as straightforward as that. One of the bars that I work for has a reduction in seating capacity to 70% of normal (based on true seats). However, there is a lot more at play for them:

• One guy sits at a table for 2 or 4 - that table is gone for capacity straightaway.
• No single bar stools tightly packed along the bar. They do have some along a ledge but have to keep the 1m gap between them.
• Pubs make a lot of their money at peak times. They used to be able to pack them in when matches were on, or Friday / Saturday's. Squeeze anyone in who was willing to come in. That's all gone. When the tables are gone, they are gone. No more in, no more full to the top making good money couple of hours.
• Table service means that they actually have to have more staff on, as they are doing the walking up and down, get drinks, ring in the till, get change / card machine etc Plus cert checking and contact tracing.
• The pubs are taking strict last orders just before 23:00 with everyone out on their heel and place shut down by 23:30. That's a good 90 minutes of the busiest trade on a Friday and Saturday night lost and then 30 / 45 minutes mid week. Everyday since they reopened.

It is not as straight forward as oh the place looks busy, nothing to worry about here. It's far more complex than that.

That's a bingo! ^^^

The English CMO, Chris Whitty, says unvaccinated people in their 30s face roughly the same Covid death risk as fully vaccinated people in their 70s...there ye are now.

Like I said, call it what you want. I'm not though.

He's better informed and more qualified than you or I to make such a statement. Granted, it could be bullshít.

So you said lack of mask wearing in Arkansas was causing their higher cases than here in Ireland.. I point out that Sweden has had no mask mandates and yet have much lower cases per 100k than Ireland - all of a sudden cases are no longer a good metric? LOL

Tbh I would not see that much of a comparable metric.

Based on population Sweden presently has 43% more Covid deaths than Ireland, and that is with a much tougher criteria than Ireland uses. 2020 they had 9,175 excess deaths, an increase of 10.3% compared to the previous year, and have 55% more of their population infected. I know long Covid is dismissed by some here but Sweden`s department of labour are not dismissing it.They had some interesting data a while back on those that were still unable to return to work for as much as 6 month`s after being infected.

For sure it's way too early to make any policy on eradication now. but I fully believe it will go the way of Spanish Flu, Russian Flu, SARS and MERS and will eventually be eradicated. Might take 10+ years but the expertise is out there... That's not a fact, that's simply an opinion

As I thought - totally unfounded.

Whats the source on those figures btw?