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Boating chit chat thread.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,528 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    Yeah, given the fact that we're gazillions in hock after Covid, I can see it being a very hard sell to the general public shelling out hundreds of millions (150 up front costs was the last estimate I heard) on yotties, no matter what the payback might (or might not) be.

    I just wonder, having struggled every 2 years to get accommodation for 12 crew for Cork Week, where they expect it all to spring from for the 10s of thousands of visitors and spectators? And if they do manage to produce that many bed spaces, what happens them after?

    No idea about the LV Cup (although wasn't it Prada last time??) - haven't heard that mentioned at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,066 ✭✭✭✭neris


    Been following a thread over on sailing anarchy about it and some of the crap coming out from local vested interests and media is amazing regarding numbers of bed nights, visitors, superyachts and tourist euros. We dont have the facilities to host the AC boats never mind all these magical superyachts and visitors if they turn up. The organisers/defenders would also probably need to be looking at a new class of boat just to cope with the waters off cork which are not as protected as Auckland. Covney seems to be a big force pushing this aswell and after his recent behaviour I could see this being used as a political football by sections of the left

    Another issue I have is that this event was about the prestige of winning the cup and bringing it home to the winners local port/city/club but its now like every other big sporting event and just goes to the highest bidder



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,721 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Nothing wrong with 12 metres....





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,066 ✭✭✭✭neris


    Once they have manual coffee grinders and wire jib sheets why not



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,721 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    I know the AC75's are magnificent feats of modern design & engineering etc..., but looking at 8 lads riding exercise bikes, while another 2-3 lads steer and trim the wing/jib wasn't exactly appealing to the inner sailor in me...

    There's little excitement in watching 2 boats creaming along at 30+ knots.... with no drama going around the windward mark and hoisting kites....

    The best you could hope for at the recent AC was in light winds and the boats maybe came off the foils.....



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,528 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    Agree 100%.

    Either falling off the foils, or capsizing, was the height of the excitement to be hoped for.

    After the first couple of races, literally the first boat across the start line was almost guaranteed the win. Drag racing is all it was.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,721 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    1 mistake and you lose the race, because by the time you rectify the mistake (get foiling again) the other boat is 3 miles up the course and can ease off because there's no way you're catching them.....


    Remember on the 12 meters and the AC Class boats, and sometimes arriving a close 2nd at the leeward mark was actually an advantage as you could cover the lead boat and kill their wind.... it was just so much more tactical. Now it's basically the helmsman and the guy telling him where to steer. They might as well contest the next AC in Flying Fifteens or Squibs..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,066 ✭✭✭✭neris


    Flying Fifteens or squibs are probably closer to 12M sailing then the foilers but would be just as boring to watch ploding around the course



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,528 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    At least there would be a bit of sailcraft involved......



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭Sofa King Great




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,528 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    Not quite the end.....

    Reading between the lines today, I got the distinct impression that our lot looked for the extension, knowing full well it would probably be refused - and then it would be all AC's fault, they wouldn't have had to actually say "no, we don't want to do it".

    If so - well, that's backfired on them!!

    But I see now NZ are in with a last minute bid of some sort...... that would surely have to be the favourite if it's any way realistic.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,721 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    It almost half looks like the AC are giving the extension to allow us to get our sh1t in order to decide if we want to do it or not…

    you’d imagine a Europe based AC would be the best option for maximum TV audiences = ad revenue etc….



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,750 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    Now all Coveney has to do is not get fired from his job in government and demoted to the backbenches.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,528 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    Podium finish for Tom Dolan in the last leg of the Figaro, and 15th overall - great result for him! Nice interview with him on Seascapes this evening.

    That solo offshore stuff is kind of mad, can't really get my head around it at all - absolute hats off to them!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,528 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    Wexford RNLI crews and R117 are featuring tonight on Saving Lives At Sea on BBC, 8pm.

    And I think Dun Laoghaire are on next week's one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,721 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Haven't been watching this current series, though they are all recording on series link, so I love to binge watch a few of them in 1 go...


    Rosslare featured in one of my favourite episodes though a few years ago, the Storm Ophelia episode, when they had to rescue the lads delivering the Dehler 34 to Ireland...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,528 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,066 ✭✭✭✭neris


    Dun Laoghaire are on it next week I think



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,528 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    The Middle Sea Race got off today - and it's looking like a verrrrry windy one! All sorts of records up for the taking/breaking.

    There's more Irish interest than I thought - Pata Negra is out there flying a notional ISORA flag, Sailplane has two Irish on board, Freya is there, and another Irish sailor is on board some boat whose name I missed, but I presume is Otra Vez.

    And probably more that I've missed.

    More happy days to be spent tracking dots around a screen!!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,721 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Just got sent these!!!


    Jelly Baby on the rocks in Cork.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,528 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,066 ✭✭✭✭neris


    Raced against them at few irc & j109 events and was a good boat with a good young crew. Sorry to see that but glad everyone's OK. Boats can be replaced



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,528 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,721 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    I’ve seen the video, she broached under main & Genoa only!!!, and broached into the rocks!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,721 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    and just saw the video of her being re-floated….. so hopefully minor damage only…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,066 ✭✭✭✭neris


    Rudders banjaxed and bouncing on the keel can't have been good internally. Looks from the boatyard video like a good bit of water got inside too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,066 ✭✭✭✭neris


    I'd say there's a very pissed off Russian billionaire who's had his brand new 125 footer beaten by a old 100 footer over the course



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,528 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    That was a bit of a surprise alright.

    Although at one stage Skorpios was doing 5kts in a very odd direction coming down the westerly side of the course, I wonder did they have a problem of some sort?

    But Comanche led most of the way on the water - great race by them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,721 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    He should have never fitted the his and hers heads…….. too much weight!!


    none of that nonsense on Comanche…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,028 ✭✭✭spaceHopper


    Judging by the rust mark on the keel I'd say it isn't the first time she's taken a knock. Hopefully its fully restored


    https://m.psecn.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000Bm4ZM8T5NE0/s/767/I0000Bm4ZM8T5NE0.jpg



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,750 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    Anyone else read the latest MCIB report?

    Oh.My.God.

    More drama than a Christmas episode of EastEnders.

    https://www.mcib.ie/reports.7.html?r=293



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,066 ✭✭✭✭neris


    20 pages on a minor incident talk about trying to make yourself as a govt agency seem very important



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,868 ✭✭✭Alkers


    You mean the MCIB or the Kayak operator?!

    I thought they (kayaker) came across terribly in the correspondence, rather than arguing the points she may have disagreed with, choosing to fight every aspect of the very organisation and process. I was finding it entertaining at least until she called into question the three seperate 999 calls made from people ashore, she also discredits met eireann's meteorology capacity!


    Although, it makes a mockery of the whole process that she never had to provide the requested details and the report was able to be published. Can't imagine CHC would get away with that in relation to R116



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭Mick Tator


    It’s an abject lesson of what can happen to any skipper after an ‘event’. A jobsworth will shaft you to retain his/her daily crust. There was a smallcraft warning in place when the kayakers went out. Regardless of sea/local conditions the organiser left herself open to stick and a baying mob should s#1t happen, so it was the wrong call to depart with a group that contained novices. The rescue of the panicking by the Bullock fishermen seemed essential and timely but the MCIB report on the rest seemed very overblown. I’d guess that the kayak operator is on the receiving end of suits for damages and her correspondence was written by her legal representatives, hence words like 'otiose', 'specious' and 'grotesque' and the deny, refute, denigrate responses. The MCIB is being careful, their report is overwritten with a lot of pedantic twaddle that any seafarer would see through. (For e.g. most of us prefer Windguru over Met.ie.)

    From a PR perspective it’s rather like the HSE after Covid - you dare ’t criticise it after Covid but the fact remains that the organisation is a dog and many members not fit for purpose. I dislike criticising the ICG ‘en masse’ but I’ve seen some in action at a couple of rescues and would not be a fan.

    (And what about personal responsibility? Were you departing for your first parachute jump and there was a wind warning in force, would you go up?)



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,750 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    her correspondence was written by her legal representatives, hence words like 'otiose', 'specious' and 'grotesque' and the deny, refute, denigrate responses.

    It's interesting what a formal legal education can do for an individual and their outlook on these matters...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭Mick Tator


    It’s a matter of outlook. Most people look for answers. Lawyers are trained not to do that, instead they are programmed to look for questions. Understand that and you know how to put up with them!




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭Mick Tator


    There was an article in the Sunday Times announcing the 'probable' purchase of a new STS to replace Asgard II. A deposit has been paid, She's a replica of a 1909 Baltic trader, schooner rig, built Denmark 1980. Cost is €3 million including refit to include wheelchair access. Enda O'Coinin is chair of the old/present trust, he's looking for the State's €1 mill annual sub to be reinstated and wants to raise 15 million.There will be N Irl involvement also. Our Dept. of Defence is already throwing cold water on it. Given what happened to the Asgard poroject and the Jeannie Johnson, it will be interesting to watch what happens to a small budget/worthy project. America's Cup for Cork? My ar$e!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭Sofa King Great




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,528 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    Another stalwart of DBSC racing gone ..... Jack Roy's funeral was today.

    Race Officer extrordinaire, and I say that as someone who raced under him, and worked with him on committee boats - anyone who was involved in racing in any way in Ireland, and further afield, will have come across him at some point I'd say. A superb International Race Officer, and he officiated at London 2012.

    An absolute gentleman, from his cap to the tips of his sailing boots.

    RIP


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 545 ✭✭✭Daibheid


    Drone sails into a hurricane and gets stunning footage. I can only imagine what the sound would have been like.....

    https://gizmodo.com/drone-sails-into-category-4-hurricane-sends-back-incre-1848234025



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  • Registered Users Posts: 92 ✭✭Major Dad



    Been a bit quiet here for the past couple of weeks but this caught my eye today. Certainly didn't see any superyachts as we blasted around Ireland's Eye today in a good 20kts.



  • Registered Users Posts: 92 ✭✭Major Dad


    By the way, the image above is St Barts on New Year's Eve.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,066 ✭✭✭✭neris


    THE DUTCH PORT city of Rotterdam has said it would temporarily dismantle an historic bridge to allow a superyacht built for Amazon founder Jeff Bezos to pass.

    Bezos’s gigantic, €430 million yacht is too big for the iconic Koningshaven Bridge, which dates from 1878 and was rebuilt after being bombed by the Nazis in 1940 during World War II.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,066 ✭✭✭✭neris


    Was watching a thing last week on Superyachts on More4. They had owners, designers and brokers in it and the highight of the programme was the Monaco boat show with one of the owners looking to get a new boat built. The designer was saying that having the biggest boat isnt always the best because alot of the docks in the Carbbean and South of France can only take boats up to 50 meters and that people/owners/egos who want to be seen at parties and around town want to be in port and not out at sea on the biggest boat bobbing around where they cant be seen



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,721 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Me, I could probably survive in something like a Swan 60, or the new 57…..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,066 ✭✭✭✭neris


    Unfortunately none of the boats featured had a mast between them and most of the owners featured probably wouldnt know a jib from a genekar if you asked them. There was one owner who is a prominent yachtie but they were showing his motor yacht/gin palace where his dogs had pissed all over the good carpet



  • Registered Users Posts: 12 GForsdyke


    I'm not sure what the best way to decontaminate my boat to make sure invasive species like Asian clam and zebra mussel aren't carried over, has anyone got any advice about it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,066 ✭✭✭✭neris


    Caribbean 600 started yesterday. Skorpios leading Comanche at the front according to Yellow Brick





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭Mick Tator


    Came across this stuck in a book. 1938 is written on the back. It looks like 2 DB 24's in Dalkey Sound sailing towards DL?




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,528 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    I can barely remember them (they were retired just after I started sailing) but I don't think the DB24s were gaff-rigged?

    Maybe they were in their early days?

    I also don't remember their booms being that long, nor the twin headsails (again, maybe from an earlier era)

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