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National Broadband Ireland : implementation and progress

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭Tommy Lagahan


    SpaceX/Starlink themselves are the ISP as far as I know. They are running trials in Ireland atm I think. No idea if they provide a phone.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,737 ✭✭✭Hococop


    Van back our road (limerick area) working on the boxes, asked them and they seemed to say next month but he could be saying that but at least they are doing something on our road again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,087 ✭✭✭lukin


    Just put my eircode into the NBI site and I got the same as some folks here; "Anticipated date for connection: January 2025 - December 2026"

    Thankfully I have a 4G mast and have half-decent coverage. Still totally disgraceful for a so-called "developed" country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭ussjtrunks


    I really think we should look into some sort of starlink grant scheme to help those that have really awful internet that need it now, 2026 is far too long for some people especially those working from home.

    Fixed wireless was decent but it’s far too congested in most areas now



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Starlink wasn't available at the time the plan was drafted. It's still only in beta and nobody knows how it will be as it gets heavily subscribed



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭ussjtrunks


    What kind of capacity does starlink have would it similar to fixed wireless or would there be more bandwidth available



  • Registered Users Posts: 189 ✭✭Agent Avenger


    I’m surprised we didn’t get pushed back in the latest update, still down for Dec 21-Jan 22 in the Carrigaline DA. Still no DPs set up along the road though…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,494 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    Same as. literally a few hundred metres from. The end of eir fibre. Will have to look into improving our mobile connection.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,852 ✭✭✭Steve F


    Arrived home tonight to see a large coil of black cable near the top of "our pole" Too high to see what it is the rest is hidden under metal trunking on pole.

    Excitedly checked NBI Website

    Moved from August -October to

    October -December

    Getting ridiculous now

    The estimated dates are just being made up now and as they get close they go into the site and move them ahead 3 months.

    From being told we would get fibre in 2021 they are saying 2022..that will be moved again. Finally I have given up believing anything NBI are telling us..its all bluff and bluster now to keep us quiet.

    I'll be struggling on Mobile BB for a few more years by the looks of it



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,242 ✭✭✭Orebro


    I wonder how much cash NBI are burning through and if they have enough to keep it going at its current rate - there can’t be much coming from Government if areas are not getting completed? I’d fear the whole NBI entity could come crashing down if they don’t get this thing on track.

    Hate to say it but it’s becoming increasingly clear that it’s Eir should be doing this rollout.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,793 ✭✭✭coolisin


    Personally I glad they put a date on it, ok its 2024 but at least its a date I can get something in place until then.

    I will start to weigh up my options.

    I would prefer a little more openness but this is a start.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭ussjtrunks


    Cork seems to be getting completely shafted, almost the whole county is 2025-2026




  • Registered Users Posts: 951 ✭✭✭oppiuy


    Does anyone know if its possible to be taken out of an intervention area. I have a friend in the midlands that openeir wont connect because of being in the area and they are the first house inside outside the connection from open eir stops down the road



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,632 ✭✭✭TheBody


    I had a similar problem. The broadband officer in my county council sorted it for me in the end. It was a tricky process.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,852 ✭✭✭Steve F




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭clohamon


    Looks like they've dumped all of this year's undershoot - about 60k - into years 6 & 7 (2025/2026). So that's 229k who are currently getting disappointing notifications rather than 170k as previously scheduled.

    Of course the more premises notified of the Jan 2025 - Dec 2026 timeframe, the more heat on the government. (and the stronger NBI's negotiating position on acceleration).

    Maybe the tomorrow's Committee meeting can first extract some firm information on how they intend catching-up, and then the effect of acceleration, if it's agreed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,534 ✭✭✭joe123


    A friend got talking to someone relatively high up in Eir. The belief is that any area included in their "we plan to rollout ftth in your area" will actually include all premises as long as you are connected to a cabinet regardless of being in the IA or not.

    No timeframes given bar they hope to be finished 2026. Seems coincidental that this is the same end time frame for NBI.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,793 ✭✭✭coolisin


    You are correct. However I've seen boots on the ground doing the survey so I hope that means some part has being done to move towards that date.

    But I know I can get tied into a year + contract and not get upset it suddenly appears available in March 2022 all of a sudden!


    I had zero indication of date until this week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭heavydawson


    National Broadband Plan can be delivered on time and on budget, committee to hear (via @IrishTimes) https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/national-broadband-plan-can-be-delivered-on-time-and-on-budget-committee-to-hear-1.4674150



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,852 ✭✭✭Steve F


    At 8am this morning a transit size van pulled up at our house ICL written on it. One guy on his own parked at "our Pole" Didn't have chance to speak with him as heading to work. What role do ICL have? Anyone know?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭heavydawson


    From http://www.icltd.ie/

    With optical fibre being the way forward we are specialists in the area providing a full fibre service to our customers ranging from installation, fibre blowing to splicing & testing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,056 ✭✭✭Pique




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 816 ✭✭✭Tango One


    Can the committee meeting be viewed?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,221 ✭✭✭xxyyzz




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 816 ✭✭✭Tango One




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,852 ✭✭✭Steve F


    My Eircode moved from October-December 2021 to Preorder sometime in the last few hours????????



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,747 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Peter Hendrick said earlier at Committee that the number of premises passed as of this morning is up from 19,000 to 23,000.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,852 ✭✭✭Steve F




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,056 ✭✭✭Pique




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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,852 ✭✭✭Steve F


    That's Mad....How long before I can order an install I wonder?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 238 ✭✭Strettie11


    Well considering I and a number of others on here are on day 131 of preorder and based on earliest implementation we have we are likely to reach 180 days of preorder do not get too excited



  • Registered Users Posts: 25 Keepitclean


    I am about 140 days since I input my preorder on April 29th. I am in the Ballinasloe area. Hopefully it will be installed soon.

    NBI won't confirm a date and say ask the reseller you have preordred from. The reseller says they don't know when it will be ready to installed and were hopefully of this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,056 ✭✭✭Pique


    To watch the videos, go to https://www.oireachtas.ie/hourly/ then choose Committee 2 and 15th Sep 2021.

    The videos are

    cr2_20210915T115243.000480.mp4 (Approx 47 mins in for Peter Hendrick after introduction to session by chair)

    cr2_20210915T115243.000481.mp4

    cr2_20210915T115243.000482.mp4


    Summary of what Hendrick said in the first vid is as follows (Haven't watch them all yet)

    NBI currently working in all counties.

    1000+ people hired including those in Actavo, KN, Secto, TLI, Indigo, Integro.

    251000+ premises surveyed

    221000+ designed or in detailed design.

    108000+ premises under construction with works under way

    23000+ available to place an order today rising to 60000 in December

    371 BCPs installed including over 140 schools(contractual obligations for 2020 met in full for BCPs)

    900+ BCPs by end of 2023

    Minimum speed 500mbps


    Covid caused need to rebaseline rollout in April 2021 targetting 60000 premises by year-end

    One contractor had 40% of workforce unavailable between Dec 2020 and Mar 2021 due to covid


    NBI have contracted OpenEir to do pole replacement and duct repair from 1st Oct 2021

    NBI pushing tree-trimming contractors to do more.

    NBI bringing forward premises currently scheduled in 2025 and 2026 to shorten overall rollout timeframe. Additional contractor resources in Q4 2021 to facilitate this.

    This bit is interesting, and I don't know if he was quizzed on it until I watch the rest of the videos.

    Those in amber areas located adjacent to commercial operators areas:

    NBI is consulting with 3rd parties to identify alternative wholesale solutions. If such suitable options are identified, they will be provided by 3rd party suppliers but provisioned, activated and assured by NBI and subject to the same SLAs as the rest of the NBI network. The pre-qualification phase has been completed on this and is moving to the next stage of the tender process. Frameworks to be in place by the end of the year with pilot implementations done during Q1 2022.

    Does this sound like wireless to anyone else, or is it just me? Maybe it means getting Eir or Siro to pick up those premises?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,852 ✭✭✭Steve F




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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,242 ✭✭✭Orebro


    That last bit is interesting alright - perhaps its about getting Eir to fill in some of the fibre gaps where NBI would have to run many miles of cable just to get to a small few houses? (Wishful thinking!!)



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,852 ✭✭✭Steve F




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,425 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Went on the the NBI site and my area has moved from showing projected installation dates of "July-Dec 2022" out to "Jan-Mar 2023" in the last day or two.

    Over year out and they are pushing the dates out another 3-6 months.

    Not good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,071 ✭✭✭TimHorton


    Its a mess , Anticipated date for connection:January 2025 - December 2026



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,534 ✭✭✭joe123


    NBI bringing forward premises currently scheduled in 2025 and 2026 to shorten overall rollout timeframe. Additional contractor resources in Q4 2021 to facilitate this.

    What does that even mean? Half the country is scheduled for 2025/2026

    Those in amber areas located adjacent to commercial operators areas:

    NBI is consulting with 3rd parties to identify alternative wholesale solutions. If such suitable options are identified, they will be provided by 3rd party suppliers but provisioned, activated and assured by NBI and subject to the same SLAs as the rest of the NBI network. The pre-qualification phase has been completed on this and is moving to the next stage of the tender process. Frameworks to be in place by the end of the year with pilot implementations done during Q1 2022.

    On one hand it sounds like "get Siro or OpenEir" to connect FTTH. On the other it sounds like get some form of wireless set up covered. I hope someone asked for clarification on that.

    Again seems oddly coincidental that OpenEir have expanded their FTTC upgrade to cover a further 200k homes (even if some of those were already getting 30Mb+, it is also including those <30Mb.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭ussjtrunks


    I’m thinking even the 2026 date is optimistic the rate it’s going.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 501 ✭✭✭SkepticQuark


    Everyone complaining about the dates being years from now when we knew it was a 7 year plan makes 0 sense to me?

    Also, the acceleration plan not helping anyone in the first opening years was known already, that's old news.

    Can we please for the love of god stop the bullshit of worshipping building masts around the country or "just launch the satellites", both were considered, both were thrown out for a reason if you're still on that boat you're misinformed or trying to promote the lazy way out which was done before.

    Also saw people trying to suggest that 7 years from now fibre wouldn't be good enough or something and like I'm sorry but if you said that when countries were doing electrification you'd sound pretty silly now in hindsight.

    We've done the fast solution before, we've done the mobile coverage solution before, they don't work. If you're trying to argue Eir or Siro should suddenly take over, you want the government to then deal with the legal hell of cancelling a contract that probably has no reason to be torn up yet given how early we are in the process.

    Also, it's not like NBI and their contractors are doing absolutely nothing but sitting around, I go between Limerick and Tipperary exchange areas quite often and for the last month or two, I've seen them working in multiple places every day. Electrification wasn't done in a year, neither will this, if you are down for 2025-2027 I'm sorry but you were always going to wait until the end of the rollout, someone has to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,056 ✭✭✭Pique


    What does that even mean? Half the country is scheduled for 2025/2026


    I think it means that the rollout which was 2020-2027 initially will be shortened by probably a year to 2026. Hendrick wasn't 100% clear on what he said in that part. Maybe he meant those in 26/27 will be pushed up to 25/26.


    As SkepticQuark says though, what are we expecting? All done and dusted in 5 years when the first 2 years had an 18 month pandemic included? No doubt this will give the nay-sayers further ammo to decry the NBP and so be it. It's not gonna make any difference either way. If NBI can shorten a 7 year project to 6 years while also dealing with 18 months of serious manpower shortages they should be feckin applauded.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,747 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    I think it means that the rollout which was 2020-2027 initially will be shortened by probably a year to 2026. Hendrick wasn't 100% clear on what he said in that part. Maybe he meant those in 26/27 will be pushed up to 25/26.

    2025 and 2026 are year 6 and 7 of the rollout plan, any acceleration of the rollout would see these premises passed earlier. It was mentioned near the end of the committee discussion that an accelerated rollout schedule might be available by the end of the year, see Committee discussion from 2:10:00 onwards.

    "the target is to see if we can do it within 5 years" TJ Malone, CEO NBI Deployment

    Post edited by The Cush on


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,242 ✭✭✭Orebro


    Not sure which thread you've been reading but nobody on this one is shouting for wireless or satellite - in fact the vast majority are quite the opposite!

    We are all very well aware this is a 7 year plan. The issue people have at the moment is there is a massive lack of information and the bits they do provide are as clear as mud. The other issue people have is that in the last few days the dates have been pushed out. For example, I myself went from "Survey Underway, estimated connection Jan 23 to Dec 23" to "Survey Planned, estimated connection Jan 23 to Dec 24" - now you cannot expect any reasonable person to just stand back and say "Grand" to something like that.

    To be clear, we are all delighted fibre is being rolled out, none of us want a wireless/satellite solution, but we are well within our rights to keep a close eye on progress and criticize where it is warranted. It is taxpayers money after all so we all have a say in it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭Redriddick


    Works continuing on the Athlone Road outside roscommon.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,425 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Indeed - Everyone knows it's not an overnight fix and that the last 12-18 months have been extremely difficult.

    However , it's the communication or more correctly the complete lack of it that is the key point of frustration.

    Despite being signed up to be "kept informed about the progress in my area" I have not once received any kind of update from them.

    I get the odd generic marketing fluff email, but not once have I been sent an update that was actually pertinent to me.

    Not when they first put a date up for start of the survey stage , not when they started the survey stage , not when they put up a date for a potential installation and not recently when that potential install date was pushed out by 6 months.

    How difficult would it be for them to send those updates , covid or otherwise??



  • Registered Users Posts: 951 ✭✭✭oppiuy


    I think you find that most people didn't have an idea on what was happening with this until this week. There was very little information to view but all we could see was that areas with multiple choices of Broadband getting connected up. Just looks like the same old same.

    Its sound like your saying Tough Luck, to those will no broadband right now and they should suck it up until 2027. As an interim, more masts and bigger capacity is the answer in rural areas. The reason they are slow at the moment in some areas is because its peoples only option. Starlink are now making connections possible and of course we should discuss it

    So if your saying no to extra masts, capacity or Spectrum and satellite providers for those with no or little BB right now, what would your suggestion or advise to those folks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,056 ✭✭✭Pique


    As this is the NBP Implementation & Progress thread, I use it as the one-stop-shop for info on the NBP Implementation & Progress.


    I'm not trying to gatekeep here but info on alternatives to see you through to whenever you do get FTTH are probably best asked in other threads.

    Providers won't be adding masts imo when they know the NBP is gonna make them obsolete in a few years. They may add bandwidth in the interim. I'm using 4g with a decent router and my speeds went from c.5-15mbps to c.40-50mbps in the last 6 months. I totally feel your pain, we all do. I've waited for decent BB since 2010.

    My point is that discussion of mobile broadband, fixed wireless and Starlink is best kept to the threads dedicated to them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 951 ✭✭✭oppiuy


    Cool, i see your point. I think what happened was the release of info and dates this week saw people jump in here for updates and then chat about alternatives. I have 4G with an antenna in the attic. Decent speeds mostly during the day to get me through WFH but evenings are a disaster. TBH i don't really care about FTTH and the great speeds it gives. Id kill for a constant stable 15-20MB. That would fill this house needs no problem



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