National Broadband Ireland : implementation and progress

StevenToast · 09-09-2021 8:56pm

Jan 2023 - Dec 2024...

Meaningless dates....

Nuphor · 09-09-2021 9:02pm

Still pending survey. Dates added now: Jan 2025-Dec 2026.

Complete joke. OLT location means my next door neighbours have an ETA of April next year.

09-09-2021 9:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117869815#Comment_117869815

Same with me. I’ve still no date yet at all and have given up on it ever happening to be honest. I’ve put in an order with Starlink and put down a deposit. People who I know in the industry have told me it’s a ‘game changer’ and have seen results from the trials so far, which have matched the performance experienced in the USA. It’s expensive, but looks like it’ll work

Edit: Just checked, and I have survey Jan 25 to Dev 26. Starlink it is

Dceng2 · 09-09-2021 9:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117870088#Comment_117870088

Just be lucky we're close enough to a connection date (even if its being pushed out). Have a look at a Castleisland eircode on the NBI website; Pending Survey January 2025 - December 2026 😕

CptMonkey · 09-09-2021 9:38pm

These dates are nearly towards the very end of the roll out

scunermac · 09-09-2021 9:45pm

Portaloise DA just went from Feb - Apr 2022, to Oct - Dec 2022 😡

The Cush · 09-09-2021 9:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117870280#Comment_117870280

Same for my DA, Newport Tipperary, Pending Survey January 2025 - December 2026

hopefully they will be true to to their statement and accelerate the rollout for those of us stuck at the end of the current plan

listermint · 09-09-2021 9:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117870244#Comment_117870244

Same dates for myself. As always assumed we would be last done. I've lived with that assessment tbh and accepted it.

mun1 · 09-09-2021 9:59pm

Where are ye getting the DA updates ?

Dceng2 · 09-09-2021 10:13pm

Just had a look at the where are we working map and the eircode map and I've compiled a list of estimated completion date for every DA in Kerry (as of 9/9/21):

Network Build in Progress

Tralee (November 2021 - January 2022), Killarney (November 2021 - January 2022)

Survey Underway

Castlegregory (October 2022 - December 2022), Ballyheigue (January 2023 - March 2023), Ballydavid (March 2023 - May 2023), Rathmore (March 2023 - May 2023), Kilgarvan (April - June 2023)

Survey Planned (ALL JANUARY 2023 - DECEMBER 2024)

Listowel, Lauragh, Sneem

Pending Survey (ALL JANUARY 2025 - DECEMBER 2026)

Abbeyfeale, Castleisland, Glencar, Kells, Waterville

3 points;

Not even the Healy-Raes can stop a delay it appears with Kilgarvan being pushed back from July - December 2022 to Spring 2023.
I'd say until they plan a survey in the Deployment Areas mentioned above, they're probably going to give very vague far out dates. These areas will probably be brought forward in time once surveys have got underway. This point may also stand elsewhere across the country, so I wouldn't completely panic yet.
1 thing for sure, there's still a place for Starlink, Fixed Wireless, 4G/5G etc. for another couple of years.

09-09-2021 10:24pm

Kind of surprised that Elon Musk is bothering with Ireland, given the county’s NBI commitment. As he’ll surely at that stage lose all his customers.

listermint · 09-09-2021 10:30pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117870440#Comment_117870440

He doesn't care. Starlink is for the cars not for home broadband. Home broadband subsizes it in the interim short term cash. The ultimate goal is coverage for the driverless cars.

09-09-2021 10:35pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117870455#Comment_117870455

Hadn’t thought of that. Makes sense. It’s a handy side product for those of us at the back end of the NBI rollout

Either that or he is a Bond villain and there’s a laser on the back of all those satellites just waiting to be turned around and pointed at the world’s capitals.

joe123 · 09-09-2021 11:14pm

Have all pending survey DA's just been given that 2025 - 2026 date?

Mines been given that date as have 3 others I checked.

Wonder will we ever hear about this acceleration. Considering 50% of the country will be connected in 2025 - 2026 according to the site.

NBAiii · 10-09-2021 12:43am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117870349#Comment_117870349

I am getting them from the https://nbi.ie/where-are-we-working/ page but even that is wrong. The page was updated last Tuesday the 7th September, however in the meantime the Eircode checker on the site seems to have received an update so for example if you look at Tralee on the "Where we are working" page it says "July 2021 - September 2021" but on the Eircode check it says "November 2021 - January 2022".

It is incredible how bad they are at conveying simple information.

Jofspring · 10-09-2021 5:42am

A few houses in my local area which last year had Network Build in process for about 6 months now say survey underway, broadband available April 2023. That's some push back. I'm actually going to take it with a pinch of salt though as it doesn't seem to have been right anytime yet.

Thank God for three mobile broadband, I've been living off 3mb broadband for a while with a local provider but getting minimum 40mb and up to 140mb through three since I switched to them.

heavydawson · 10-09-2021 8:32am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117870349#Comment_117870349

I have a Python script that checks my Eircode endpoint every minute (OTT I know). It sends me a mail if the date or status (Surveying/Building/etc...) change.

The website uses an endpoint that anyone can reach for the raw data:

https://premises-api.nbi.ie/ext/premises/<EIRCODE>

heavydawson · 10-09-2021 8:57am

Forgot to say the DA level information is available via these two endpoints:

https://nbi.ie/wp-content/themes/nbi-wp-theme/js/oltInfo.js

The second endpoint is only for the amount of money and premises involved and doesn't really change:

https://nbi.ie/wp-content/themes/nbi-wp-theme/js/countyInfo.js

xxyyzz · 10-09-2021 9:18am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117870244#Comment_117870244

Yeah, it's just frustrating. I even bought an Xbox series x in expectation of a September connection. I'm with imagine and I can't download games as I have a 20gb daily allowance.

padraig.od · 10-09-2021 9:37am

South KK pushed back to August-October 2022. Status moved to build in progress which is something I suppose.

clohamon · 10-09-2021 10:49am

Changes to the "Where are we working map" (may not correspond to Eircode search)

https://nbi.ie/where-are-we-working/

Changes in status.

Changes in connection date

New connection dates.

Dero · 10-09-2021 10:54am

Curragh Camp DA has changed from January 2023 - December 2023 to April 2023 - June 2023. Still too far out to take any notice of, but at least it's a bit more granular.

We were surveyed in April, so at least the process has started.

As an aside; OpenEir were out checking poles last week. They removed all vegetation from the base of every pole (especially the ones embedded in hedges). I presume this was to asses the condition of the pole base and access the barcode. Probably not NBI related, but still.

oppiuy · 10-09-2021 11:06am

We are in West Clare and that new map details say 2026. All hope is lost and im just going to get star link and forget all about this

listermint · 10-09-2021 11:07am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117871332#Comment_117871332

You can, imagine have free night time download that doesn't count to daily limit.

joe123 · 10-09-2021 2:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117871838#Comment_117871838

2025 -2026 I assume? Same boat here in North Galway.

Hoping OpenEir's messaging on their website is right and will roll out FTTH here too. Likely will happen before NBI if it goes ahead.

At least we have a rough timeline now and yeah Starlink looks more and more the solution. My contract is up with Vodafone next March so will need to wait until then. If only starlink didnt cost 100 quid a month I'd just bite the bullet now. Will be paying an extra 70 quid a month with it.

xxyyzz · 10-09-2021 2:20pm

For my sins I went and spoke to the NBI guys at their kiosk in Tralee and asked them why the date on the site went from September to January. They tried telling me that September was never the go-live date, it was the date I was due to have a connection to the DP outside the house. The Nov -Jan date is the date for the actual go-live. If this is the case then it was terrible communication on the site but it sounds more like an excuse to me.

johnnyboy08 · 10-09-2021 2:51pm

Crazy update for Ballycarney in Wexford, went from Jun-Aug 2022 to Feb-Apr 2023. I'm just barely inside the Wexford DA but wouldn't be surprised to see that go out too as all I've seen from NBI in the whole county since NBP was announced was the guy who surveyed my road in May 2020, ducting done in some places and an NBI van driving on the N11 around 4 months ago. We're supposed to be Network Build In Progress but hedges haven't even been trimmed back for prep for fibre cables being run.

Speak Now · 10-09-2021 3:08pm

Could be a 4 year difference depending on what side of Tramore you're from.

stephen.dunne · 10-09-2021 5:05pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117869741#Comment_117869741

e2a: Strange, Manor Kilbride still showing April 2022 - June 2022

With all these dates, the only one you can trust is the one where you've actually gone live and have connectivity (then you sacrifice a chicken every week to sate K&N so it doesn't go down again !)

clohamon · 10-09-2021 8:10pm

Fresh from his discussions with @Strettie11 , NBI CEO P.Hendrick and others will brief the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Transport and Communications.

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/committees/schedule/?selecteddate=2021-09-15

Wednesday 15th September 12:30 pm CR2,

Update on the rollout of the National Broadband Plan

Mr Peter Hendrick, Chief Executive Officer, NBI Infrastructure

Mr T.J. Malone, Chief Executive Officer, NBI Deployment

Ms Tara Collins, Chief Marketing Officer, NBI

Gav_96 · 10-09-2021 9:07pm

first update on my premises ever for NBI: Anticipated date for connection: January 2025 - December 2026

Saw openeir around a bit too so hopefully I'm part of that 200k, the checker says I am.

cargo · 10-09-2021 10:36pm

Dundalk DA gone from August-October 2021 to October-December 2021... gggrrrrrr

ECO_Mental · 10-09-2021 10:56pm

Following on from my story where I missed the original NBI survey as I was building my house and didn't have an Eircode but I do now, the NBI fiber is live at my gate and my neighbours are getting connected now. NBI said it will be more than 2 years before they can get someone to push a button on a computer to say they can connect me, even though I could be connected tomorrow morning.

I emailed DECC and many emails to contactus@nbi.ie I eventually might have got some traction in that I know someone who is in contact with NBI for work and I called in a favor... They had access to the grown ups within the organization and I have got it escalated. I also got an email back from them saying that my case is with DECC so hopfully this whole issue of new builds being left behind might get sorted for people. As its crazy at the moment.

Keep ye posted

smiddyboy · 11-09-2021 12:24am

Johnstown in North Kilkenny gone from July 2022 -> Dec 2022 to now Jan 2023 -> March 2023

With all the current delays it was wishful thinking that we would be getting connected any time next year.😥

wexfordman2 · 11-09-2021 7:33am

3rd Time I've been pushed out (east cork) now showing March to May 2022.

Only pushed out a few months, so that's something though.

Orebro · 12-09-2021 7:17pm

This is all just truly shocking - after all the noise about speeding the process up it appears that what has happened is the exact opposite. I’m gone from survey underway Jan 23 to Dec 23, to survey planned Jan 23 to Dec 24 - like WTF are they at? Really wish someone in Gov would just grab this by the balls and take control, but unfortunately we’re stuck with sleepy Eamon 3G Ryan to sort it out.

I was massively against anything to do with it but I’m now beginning to think a subsidized Starlink program until you get fiber connected isn’t such a bad idea.

Tommy Lagahan · 13-09-2021 12:08am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117882058#Comment_117882058

Christ I've gone from no information at all to January 2025 - December 2026 (Donegal DA). At this stage I'd be better off kidnapping some KN boys and their vans and just forcing them to extend the openeir fibre the last 1KM to my house.

I'm definitely going to look into Starlink now. Imagine are holding up for now but once this news gets out in the area contention is probably going to slowly creep up til its unusable like three before it.

NBAiii · 13-09-2021 12:43am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117871786#Comment_117871786

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117875074#Comment_117875074

Dero, I suspect it is NBI related. Unless eir have decided to do a mass pole replacement in your area, which seems unlikely.

ECO_Mental, I supect all Eircodes added to the NBI build would have to be approved first by DECC.

ECO_Mental · 13-09-2021 9:05am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117883140#Comment_117883140

My eircode is included and approved by DECC as Im in the intervention zone, from what I make out is they do a survey of the houses in a Deployment Area and get that agreed with DECC the number of houses. They then crack on and get these connected, its just if you miss that initial survey they have no procedures in place to get your new house surveyed and added so they can connect you. I was told it could take 2 years...which is crazy since the DA is now live. The issue is now with DECC and I have some one looking after it within NBI as well. Hopfully this might force a procedure for new builds to be connected faster is a DA is already live.

ussjtrunks · 13-09-2021 11:50am

Connection date December 2026 is that a pisstake, surely they should be prioritising areas with poor speeds. I have nova now and most nights I’m lucky to get 5mb

infact if you look at the map a lot of Cork is December 2026 are we a joke to you :(

joe123 · 13-09-2021 12:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117884479#Comment_117884479

Unfortunately all of us still "Pending Survey" have been given that timeframe of 2025 - 2026. All we can do is hope this never ending talk of acceleration actually happens.

At least they have given us a rough rough date which is better than nothing.

oppiuy · 13-09-2021 12:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117884583#Comment_117884583

by 2025 this will be redundant and they know it. Roll out now in areas that already have Multiple choice for connection and get paid This will all fall apart by end of 2023 and the areas that need this the most will still be neglected and relying on oversubscribed Mobile operators and Sat companies.

Id love fibre but realistically the only way out for us is Mobile operators to through up more masts and Comreg to release out all that unused spectrum to increase capacity and reduce contention. I think most people would be happy with a min stable speed of 20-30mbs no matter what time of day

ussjtrunks · 13-09-2021 12:23pm

Tbh I think I might go with starlink only issue is I need a phone line that nova provides atm. Who is the isp for starlink?

13-09-2021 12:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117884603#Comment_117884603

I agree with your analysis. I doubt the NBI plan will survive once the low hanging fruit is picked off. Indeed, when I was a city dweller, before buying my rural property, I thought it was the biggest waste of money imaginable. I thought it was an actual joke when first announced. Looking at it objectively, there is no value to ireland in spending thousands to run fibre a mile up my boreen to a handful of cottages, most of which are lived in by retirees. Throwing up masts, or subsidising the cost of connection to the new generation of low orbit communication satellites (Starlink right now, but more to come) would be a better way to go. And would solve the rural connectivity issue faster than December 2026.

Dceng2 · 13-09-2021 12:31pm

Was listening to Radio Kerry this morning when I heard an ad. for Ivertec. Talked about connecting up to 6000 homes in Kerry (circa. 3000 Tralee, circa. 3000 Killarney) with Gigabit Fibre Broadband through the National Broadband Plan from November. Whether that's pre-order or live order, they seem confident. I'll remain hesitant for now as I look out the Window and see no fibre cable yet (Killarney). That month would tie in with the anticipated connection date for both DA's though (November 21 - January 22) so we'll see.

Redriddick · 13-09-2021 1:38pm

Seems something has happened out this way this morning, the coiled up duct is now up near the top of the pole and sheathed for protection, dp's are imminent I'd say

Nyum Nyum · 13-09-2021 2:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117884479#Comment_117884479

Yep, Macroom is the same. Utterly useless this crowd 🙄

ussjtrunks · 13-09-2021 2:23pm

wouldnt a sensible option be to have isp resell starlink and install it?

CptMonkey · 13-09-2021 2:24pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117885371#Comment_117885371

It’s fairly depressing. I’m having trouble with Netflix some nights now.

joe123 · 13-09-2021 2:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117884603#Comment_117884603

Sorry but this post shows you need to read up more on how the actual rollout works, why they have picked certain exchanges to start from (and why a lot are built out from City's).

Also the mention of "just get mobile operators to throw up more masts" also shows you need to learn why that wont work, number of masts needed and costs.

20-30Mb is fine for now, but is not future proof and would be another round peg in square hole solution.

The NBI has plenty of faults (lack of transparency, poor communication, slow rollout) and no one is happy to hear of a 2026 connection but if you want to criticise them, do some research first.

National Broadband Ireland : implementation and progress

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