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Joe Rogan downplays the need for a vaccination and gets covid

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  • Subscribers Posts: 41,830 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    It's gas, some people fight tooth and nail for "Muh personal freedoms" to choose to get the vaccine or not....

    But when businesses choose to open to "only vaccinated" these very same people cry "discrimination"!!!!

    Seems like the covidiots only want their cake and eat it too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭Hyperbollix



    Broadly speaking, in Europe and certainly in regards to Ireland, there is still a functioning social contract between the citizen and state. In America, decades of decimating the working class and overloading the middle class in debt has led to a breakdown of citizen's trust that the state actually works for their interests. This, married to the whole American exceptionalism and "muh freedoms" mythology, means the US is screwed when it comes to society functioning for a common good.

    Even take the "big bad state" angle out of. In Ireland, the vast vast majority will get a vaccination simply because of common sense which is something that the yanks can't even muster these days.



  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Its wrong that its come down to politics....like the level of entrenchment in america is utterly bizzare,otherwise reasonable people seemingly revel in the death and suffering of people whom were foolish/vax hesitant etc deosnt sit atal well with me


    .....sf and dup could work together to try best with covid,while in america,they have let distrust of each other to kill hundreds of thousands,for no reason atal.....they have a long to travel,to even reach status of a normal society now



  • Registered Users Posts: 217 ✭✭ohnohedidnt


    I think it's gas that its largely the same "my body my choice" people who are now the ones trying to dictate what drugs other people should put into their body, and also the same sort of people who said a bakery can't not make a cake for a gay couple, say that same bakery can now exclude people on the health grounds.

    I honestly don't care that I can't sit in restaurants, I was collecting a take away yesterday(masked), watching all the "vaccinated" crammed into the restaurant and pub with no masks, oblivious to the fact that that's where the virus is spreading, not the unvaccinated sitting outside in the fresh air. Calling people who don't agree with you on vaccines covidiots, is childish, especially in the face of all the data coming out of Israel, showing that the vaccines really do very little in preventing the spread of the virus. Were you aware of that when you got it? Did you know it would drop to 16% efficacy against high viral load infections after 9 months? Or did you think it would work really well and you just turned out to be wrong? Could you even be wrong about other things vaccine related? Is it possible that since bars, restaurants, concerts are open to vaccinated only, that the vaccinated will actually be more likely to spread covid than the "covidiots"? I guess we'll see. Just the ponderings of an idiot, who has a 1 in 71429 chance of not being around to find out if he was right. Assuming of course I don't die doing one of the many more dangerous things I regularly do, like driving 1 in 107 chance.

    qcovid.org/Calculation



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    There's a lot of truth in that HB, but American culture had pretty much always boosted the rich and ignored even exploited the poor, the middle classes were tiny for much of its history and really only took off in that high watermark of the American Dream in the past war boom of the 40's, 50's and 60's, much of which was born out of the decidely "unamerican" New Deal of the 1930's, what with its socialist leanings. God forbid.

    Another aspect of American culture and how it views itself is for all the God Bless America and flags on lawns the culture is far more individualistic than collectivist and that's embedded in the thinking and even the constitution. About the only collectivist angle is the whole Gaaawd thing and that's fractured all over the place and is the Christian god, mostly Protestant. It's all about the rights of the individual and that's a good thing and is what quite likely saved America from both facism and communisim, but it can have a bad side too. In times when a societal agreement is needed stark individualism can throw a spanner in the works. OK it can be overridden in times of war, because that is spun as a simple them versus us, good versus evil narrative, but something more complex like a pandemic is a much harder nut to crack in such a framework. This isn't their first rodeo either, similar, down with masks etc was seen there in the 1918 flu pandemic.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 326 ✭✭MyLove4Satan


    So what's the point of the vaccine apart from making the companies who produce them sensationally profitable?

    Post edited by MyLove4Satan on


  • Registered Users Posts: 467 ✭✭nj27


    Joe blows - he's 5'2!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭Hyperbollix


    Yeah and as bad as this rabid individualism is, there's an argument that in a different time, one free of misinformation fueled social media and full bore propaganda in the form of corporate media, the Yanks could probably have got their shít together during this pandemic, in the same way the country sang from one hymn sheet in the 40's for the war effort.

    I'd place a large bet that if fascism was to overpower Europe again in the near to medium term, the American's might well find themselves siding with the fascists instead of waging war on them, such in the complete breakdown of people's idea of an objective truth.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,903 ✭✭✭✭Rothko


    I wasn't trying to be funny and it is completely true.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,016 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs



    The problem with that HB, is that for a start there has always been misinformation to one degree or other. In the past it was mostly down to either propaganda or a lack of information itself among the general populace. That went for religions, governments and businesses, the latter a more recent thing, but all look for control of the narrative, for the good or ill. Even science can be hijacked into this. The principle of science is impartiality, but the reality of science can be remarkably partial and partial to the truth de jour.

    The difference today is an over abundance of information, which needs a major filter. If one trusts in authority to be that filter that's one way, but one that can vary as far as "truth" is concerned as it depends on the authority concerned and that itself depends on viewpoint and culture. The other way is to look for the simplicity in the complex and people prefer simple answers, especially those that a) agree with their existing position and b) the ones that promise a return to normality and routine.

    Like I said war is "simple" on the surface. It's them versus us at its most basic. That's easy to muster across a society that perceives threat. Even so you will have some kickback, EG in the 30's America was very much isolationist at the start of the war and certainly didn't want to get involved in the European war. For a start there were many who admired Hitler and who had no love for the English and it can be easy to forget but the largest European diaspora in the US at the time(and still is) were German Americans. Facism is unlikely to take off in the US, for many of the same reasons it didn't at a time when it was popular. Pockets of it certainly, but societally, unlikely.It just doesn't fit the American Mind, just like hardline socialism, though soft socialism/liberalism would sit better and has to some degree. Current progressive thought, especially on the interwebs, but beyond it too is almost entirely American in background. The tenets of the so called "Woke" is 99% American, as is the dialogue against it. Those who rally on one side or the other are aping secondhand American thoughts on the matters. One might argue the only true politic to be American (mostly)born and bred would be libertarianism and even that doesn't gain much traction.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭85603


    Who would have ever thought there'd be such theatrics and nonsense around a vaccine.

    Before this shyte a vaccine was something you just did as procedure.

    Nobody used to not get their vaccine back in normal times. Trip to the dentist type thing.

    (Or if they didnt then at least you didnt have to hear about it)

    Your gp told you it would be a good idea to do xyz and then you went about doing that. And then you went home. You didnt ask anything about a keto diet and hydroxychloriquine.

    Fcking broscience.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    is Brian a parody account ? how many times has he mentioned bigots ?

    Who are the bigots here ??


    Gas coming from Brian when he is always defending some of the biggest far right bigots out there - radical Muslims...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    Yeah there is a version for humans, he didn;t take the sheep or horse one ... so yeah disingenuous comparison there ...



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    He's a narcissist egotistical maniac, bit like McGregor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    You'll be delighted to know he has since tested negative...



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I would not jump to the conclusion that something in his cocktail "worked". It is entirely possible nothing he did had any effect whatsoever and in fact he - being relatively healthy for his age group - would simply have gotten better that fast anyway. In fact given that some of the things he put into his cocktail actually suppress immune response - it might even be entirely possible that he would have gotten better faster than he actually did without the cocktail.

    Really there is no way to know. Either way. At all. He is an anecdote of 1. And while I do overall enjoy his podcasts and overall think he is a net positive person to have in the world - he does espouse some medical nonsense and support things medically or in diet that have no supporting evidence for them at times.

    Here for interest is a medical doctor who breaks down Rogan's post about the "cocktail" he took. I select this one because he usefully checks himself when he notices Rogan did not give enough information to call it either way. So it is not a complete Anti Rogan post - despite the click bait title - but actually a good explainer, breakdown, and cautionary description:




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,844 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    He didn't but the idiots spurred on by his nonsense and without his financial resources will take the horse version.

    Just like the idiots who spurred on by the orange wonder and drank bleach.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,567 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I gave the literal definition earlier. I’m happy with that.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,567 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I’m always defending Muslims???????


    I honestly can’t remember ever being involved in a discussion about Muslims.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    I said "radical" Muslims , big difference pal ...



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,567 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    This is even stranger. What radical Muslims have I defended?


    and drop the “pal” shite.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,084 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The issue is that lots of people are indeed taking the Veterinary version as it's all they can get their hands on and they don't really know that there is a difference.

    It was the same with one of the stupid things that Trump was suggesting last year - The main ingredient was also in a fish-tank cleaner if my memory is correct so you had a bunch of people end up in hospital because they took that instead of the actual medical grade version.

    Because of the hugely broken and expensive Health system in the US there is a massive culture of self-diagnosis and more worryingly self-medication there.

    People have no healthcare and so have no access to Doctors so they see/hear/read about Ivermectin as a possible cure or even as a prophylactic and they got out and try to source it themselves online or elsewhere.

    While Joe Rogan safely took the right version in the right doses because he has healthcare (whether it did anything for him is largely beside the point), him blithely saying "I took Ivermectin" is dangerous because of how some people will use that information.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,084 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Of course there's a large does of personal responsibility in all of this but that doesn't mean that people with an audience don't also need to be careful in how they say things.

    These people aren't called "influencers" for nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,156 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1434349537737461764

    That story has been largely disproven. It was obviously very brittle due to lack of sources but once Maddow etc got hold of it was understandable it went viral. Shame but it is what it is.

    Rogan has dumb fans like anyone with such a sizable following , but the idea that loads are going to follow his instructions just seems like wish casting from people who loath him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Actually the Ivermectin overdose cases are being reported by the National Poison Data System and the FDA

    Poison control centers are seeing a dramatic surge in calls from people who are self-medicating with ivermectin, an anti-parasite drug for animals that some falsely claim treats COVID-19.

    According to the National Poison Data System (NPDS), which collects information from the nation's 55 poison control centers, there was a 245% jump in reported exposure cases from July to August — from 133 to 459.

    In Kansas, the Department of Health and Environment is urging residents to disregard false information about ivermectin's effectiveness against COVID-19.


    "Kansans should avoid taking medications that are intended for animals and should only take ivermectin as prescribed by their physician," Lee Norman, secretary of the department, said earlier this week.


    In Mississippi, which has one of the lowest rates of vaccination against the coronavirus, the state Department of Health issued an alert about the surge in calls to poison control in August. The department said that at least 70% of recent calls to the state poison control center were related to people who ingested a version of the drug meant for livestock.


    NATIONAL

    Inmates Weren't Told They Were Given An Anti-Parasite Drug Instead Of COVID-19 Meds

    Minnesota's Poison Control System is dealing with the same problem. According to the department, only one ivermectin exposure case was reported in July, but in August, the figure jumped to nine. Kentucky has seen similar increases. Thirteen misuse calls have been reported this year, Ashley Webb, director of the Kentucky Poison Control Center, told the Louisville Courier-Journal.


    "Of the calls, 75% were from people who bought ivermectin from a feed store or farm supply store and treated themselves with the animal product," Webb said. The other 25% were people who had a prescription, she added.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,015 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    The legend is back up and running on the podcast with Tom Segura 👍




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,015 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    Here he is discussing his Covid experience and what he took




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭Melanchthon


    Story is still bullsh*t sourced of a medic who hasn't worked at the places they talked about in a number of months that got spread around the apparently trustworthy media that decry "fake news" regularly. Increase of 326 cases in the entire USA and we were meant to believe hospitals were struggling.


    It's a shame Covid has got so political in the USA, saying 21 year olds probably don't need the vaccine is probably wrong but shouldn't actually that controversial if you look at risk vs flu which doesn't have mandated vaccination, and in terms of partisanship I don't see more /left liberal people decrying NFL and MBA other sports stars that haven't been vaccinated who are influencial to demographics with low vaccination rates.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,737 ✭✭✭Hococop


    As an NFL watcher, plenty of fans are ripping into the players that are not vaccinated, it's what could stop some players that are a free agent currently (especially at the cost of a forfeit) cam Newton being one of the top players



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    So will @ancapailldorcha and the usual ilk be retracting that he took horse de worming drugs ???

    nahhhh ...



  • Registered Users Posts: 493 ✭✭BobHopeless


    Great to see Joe bouncing back so quick.



  • Registered Users Posts: 493 ✭✭BobHopeless


    Don't be silly. You just know there are a hell of a lot of people out there who had hoped it wrecked Rogan i'd go as far as saying some where hoping he'd die, that's the level of hate many have for others that don't tow the MSM narrative.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Says the guy who ignored the request from Brian? to be specific about where Brian? defended "Radical Muslims" not 10 posts before this one? :) :) Different standards for you than everyone else is it?

    Like Bob above I can not see why people have the Rogan hate - especially the ones Rogan was saying were genuinely wishing he has suffered greatly or even died from his Covid infection. What kind of life does one have to lead to spend any time at all wishing ill on an innocent human being? Haters gotta hate as they say!

    Rogan has his issues but so does everyone. He peddles some unsubstantiated nonsense. But so do many people. I can not see any reason for the hate or even mild dislike of the man. Over all I find him a net positive by far in the world and I am glad he exists.

    Someone said earlier that they do not like him because he does not "Challange" his guests. Actually I think that is why I do like him. There is enough people out there doing that. Some even challange their guests not to actualy challange them but to virtue signal their own wokeness. I heard it claimed for example in a recent interview someone from the Game of Thrones was asked to express some kind of remorse for having acted in a rape scene? I mean some on!

    By not challenging the guests a different kind of conversation can happen that is happening in 100 other places. Which has more value to me than simply having 101 cases of the same conversation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,901 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    be interesting to see if he experiences long covid



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I guess that subjectively depends what interests you. Though that is likely stating the obvious. In and of itself it is not that interesting at all I suspect.

    In terms of actual useful knowledge I can see absolutely nothing interesting about how any one single individual experiences Covid before - during - or after the infection. It tells us absolutely nothing and we can draw zero conclusions of any kind from it. Unfortunately some people likely will. They will look at the speed of his recovery - or symptoms he has in the long term - and likely draw unwarranted conclusions about things Rogan did or did not do.

    It could in fact not be less interesting in any way - for me at least. So I am struggling to see what would be interesting about it.

    Best I can do is hope no one - including him - suffers anything at all. Not going to happen of course. But I can hope all the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    I'm not going to dig for them, anytime there is a jihadist attack he is one of the 1st on to defend defend defend ...



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    So you want to rush to demand people retract their statements - but when asked to substantiate one of your own it's all "I am not gonna bother"?

    As I said one standard for you and one for everyone else.



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,567 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    You accused me thrice now of defending Islamist extremists with zero evidence. So provide evidence or stop. At this point I’m convinced you’re mixing me up with someone else, bizarre stuff


    For anyone who doesn’t know me, this is come bullshit. I’ve never defended an Islamic extremist in my life. No such evidence exists. I rarely post in threads about Islamic extremism because even though I despise Islamic extremism, not wanting to deport all Muslims is construed as support for Islamic extremism.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭85603


    I dunno, there have been 1 or 2 Invermectin stories popping up on the Herman Cain Awards twitter.

    worth a browse if you dont mind going to hell for laughing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭85603


    If you have been vaccinated for mmr then you too are a normie.

    Ps: you have been. Now toe this line with me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    oops ... I think I am actually mistaking you for someone else.

    Seriously apologies ... :S ... I'm embarrassed...



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,567 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    His stance is he is sceptical of covid vaccines , he won't say if he got vaccinatted, he gave a long list of various medications he says he took after he got covid 19 . The problem is he has millions of fans who listen to his podcast and young people listen to what he says.

    If 99 per cent of the population got the jab covid 19 might dissappear as we would have general immunity from infection the problem with America is 30 to 40 per cent of the population are unvaccinatted so the delta variant is spreading and hospitals are almost overwhelmed

    Eg ordinary persons can't get treated for basic common illness as the wards are full of covid patients

    I just read today a famous rap star says she could not go to the met gala as she did not get the vaccine there seems to be alot of stupid people in America who

    Cannot even understand the vaccine protects you eg even if you get covid 19 you will probably not experience serious side effects or end up in a hospital icu unit



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,734 ✭✭✭✭Bobeagleburger


    It's pretty clear he didn't take a vaccine as he was doesn't trust them, but then took unproven medicines...

    I see Stern has called him out.


    "I heard Joe Rogan was saying 'What are you busting my balls [for]? I took horse de-wormer and a doctor gave it to me,'" he said on The Howard Stern Show. "Well, a doctor would also give you a vaccine, so why take horse-dewormer?"

    Rogan took "all kinds of meds" after he was diagnosed with COVID-19 including ivermectin, a drug typically used in the U.S. to treat or prevent parasitic worms in animals. (The FDA has not approved ivermectin for use in treating or preventing COVID-19 in humans. Still, Rogan slammed the media's coverage of his admission.)

    Stern went on to address the blowback he received over vaccine comments on last Tuesday's show.

    "All I said was everyone should get the vaccine, it should be mandatory. This brought down a slew of publicity like I haven't seen ever, it was mind-blowing. I was trying to figure it out, 'Why am I getting so much press for saying this? Is it really so wild?' All I'm doing is speaking common sense," he said. "We have a cure for this dreaded COVID and we're not taking it — take it. Make people take it the same way we take polio vaccines and every other vaccine."

    Stern said "we have it so good in this country, people forgot about disease" and that there are "cures."

    "It always wasn't like this. You don't get to live to 80 years old automatically. It's done with science," he added. "The reason we live longer is because of science."

    The radio host doubled down on his stance that unvaccinated people should be refused treatment at hospitals.

    "We're trapped in a country with imbeciles," he added. "Guess what? When we get COVID, we don't end up in the hospitals so we don't overload the hospitals. So what did I say? We have no time for idiots in this country anymore. We don't want you. We want you to all, either go to the hospital and stay home, die there with your COVID. Don't take the cure, but don't clog up our hospitals with your covid when you finally get it. Stay home, don't bother with science, it's too late. Go f**** yourself, we just don't have time for you."



  • Registered Users Posts: 217 ✭✭ohnohedidnt


    If 99% of the population got the vaccine, deaths would drop dramatically. But the virus would continue to circulate, and eventually mutate to bypass the vaccine. The vaccine effectiveness against high viral load infections drops off dramatically over time, so vaccinated can and will spread the virus. It's not even going to be that difficult to bypass the vaccine because the vaccine only defends against 1 protein, if that one protein changes enough the vaccine doesn't work. The vaccine may not even protect against the current Mu variant.

    Yes the vaccine protects you from serious side effects and if you take it you probably won't experience serious side effects. Also if you don't take the vaccine, you probably won't experience serious side effects and probably won't end up in hospital. If the same pressure was being applied to obese people to get in shape that's being applied to unvaccinated to get vaccinated, it would leave the population better prepared for the next variants and future pandemics, and make for a generally healthier population, but the solution to every problem these days has to be a drug.

    Almost all deaths were old people, obese people and people with co-morbidities, 78% of hospital admissions are obese. If people were just healthy the impact of this would have been much smaller. Old people can't help being old, and cancer patients cant help having cancer, they'd have to be nuts not to take the vaccine, the vaccine is great for protecting them. But aside form old people and sick people, have you seen the list of co-morbidities that factor into deaths?, hypertension, diabetes, heart disease and what's a major cause of all of those? Obesity.

    Covid-19 death rates are 10 times higher in countries where more than half of the adult population is classified as overweight.

    I may well end up taking the vaccine soon, but I feel that it absolutely should not be mandatory. And if unvaccinated people are going to be denied entry into a restaurant based on personal health choices, maybe there's some other people that need to be excluded from restaurants based on their health choices too. Some people have made heathy life choices and have enough faith in their bodies ability to fight off a virus with almost statistically insignificant mortality rate in some age groups. I feel like they have earned the right to not take a drug that they don't need or want, that doesn't prevent the spread of the virus, all it does it further reduces the their already tiny chances of serious illness., we call those people stupid and covidiots.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Both Rogan and Stern are attention seekers and both aren't exactly speaking truths, though Stern is far closer to it(though describing vaccines as a "cure" is wildly inaccurate). Even if 100% of people were vaccinated against covid there is zero chance it would disappear(never mind that you'd have to vaccinate the entire world). The covid vaccines are a fantastic example of science and technology responding to a threat, especially a type of virus that had never had a successful vaccine against it, and in such a short time with it.

    However while they are a great success at reducing deaths and hospitalisations, they're also "leaky" as they reduce but don't stop transmission and it seems efficacy drops pretty rapidly and they don't protect as much as catching and fighting off infection(the current sweet spot seems to be catch and get over covid and then get a vaccine, or be a rare example of someone who caught SARS and got a Covid vaccine. They're pretty much immune to all viruses in that class).

    The other issue is that the vaccines produce a response to a very narrow part of the genetics of the virus, a particular spike protein, which massively increases selective pressure on the virus to evolve around that. Add in the leaks and continued transmission and that's a recipe for a new variant that bypasses the current vaccines. Add in a mix of unvaccinated and vaccinated in the mix and it's almost inevitable we'll have another variant of concern in short order.

    TL;DR? we need to vaccinate, but it's no magic bullet and we need a better vaccine. Which no doubt we'll get.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    Is anyone else seeing this sentence at the bottom of users posts? I'm only seeing them on the desktop but not on the phone. Weird.




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭85603


    Irish contender for a herman cain award in here.

    Sure I suppose its good to see the country represented.



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