Joe Rogan downplays the need for a vaccination and gets covid

Wibbs · 05-09-2021 8:02pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117850640#Comment_117850640

The problem with that HB, is that for a start there has always been misinformation to one degree or other. In the past it was mostly down to either propaganda or a lack of information itself among the general populace. That went for religions, governments and businesses, the latter a more recent thing, but all look for control of the narrative, for the good or ill. Even science can be hijacked into this. The principle of science is impartiality, but the reality of science can be remarkably partial and partial to the truth de jour.

The difference today is an over abundance of information, which needs a major filter. If one trusts in authority to be that filter that's one way, but one that can vary as far as "truth" is concerned as it depends on the authority concerned and that itself depends on viewpoint and culture. The other way is to look for the simplicity in the complex and people prefer simple answers, especially those that a) agree with their existing position and b) the ones that promise a return to normality and routine.

Like I said war is "simple" on the surface. It's them versus us at its most basic. That's easy to muster across a society that perceives threat. Even so you will have some kickback, EG in the 30's America was very much isolationist at the start of the war and certainly didn't want to get involved in the European war. For a start there were many who admired Hitler and who had no love for the English and it can be easy to forget but the largest European diaspora in the US at the time(and still is) were German Americans. Facism is unlikely to take off in the US, for many of the same reasons it didn't at a time when it was popular. Pockets of it certainly, but societally, unlikely.It just doesn't fit the American Mind, just like hardline socialism, though soft socialism/liberalism would sit better and has to some degree. Current progressive thought, especially on the interwebs, but beyond it too is almost entirely American in background. The tenets of the so called "Woke" is 99% American, as is the dialogue against it. Those who rally on one side or the other are aping secondhand American thoughts on the matters. One might argue the only true politic to be American (mostly)born and bred would be libertarianism and even that doesn't gain much traction.

06-09-2021 1:24pm

Who would have ever thought there'd be such theatrics and nonsense around a vaccine.

Before this shyte a vaccine was something you just did as procedure.

Nobody used to not get their vaccine back in normal times. Trip to the dentist type thing.

(Or if they didnt then at least you didnt have to hear about it)

Your gp told you it would be a good idea to do xyz and then you went about doing that. And then you went home. You didnt ask anything about a keto diet and hydroxychloriquine.

Fcking broscience.

Hector Savage · 06-09-2021 1:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117839070#Comment_117839070

Who is your definition of bigots ?

Hector Savage · 06-09-2021 1:52pm

is Brian a parody account ? how many times has he mentioned bigots ?

Who are the bigots here ??

Gas coming from Brian when he is always defending some of the biggest far right bigots out there - radical Muslims...

Hector Savage · 06-09-2021 1:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117838199#Comment_117838199

Yeah there is a version for humans, he didn;t take the sheep or horse one ... so yeah disingenuous comparison there ...

[Deleted User] · 06-09-2021 1:55pm

He's a narcissist egotistical maniac, bit like McGregor.

Hector Savage · 06-09-2021 1:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117838213#Comment_117838213

You'll be delighted to know he has since tested negative...

[Deleted User] · 06-09-2021 1:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117845317#Comment_117845317

I would not jump to the conclusion that something in his cocktail "worked". It is entirely possible nothing he did had any effect whatsoever and in fact he - being relatively healthy for his age group - would simply have gotten better that fast anyway. In fact given that some of the things he put into his cocktail actually suppress immune response - it might even be entirely possible that he would have gotten better faster than he actually did without the cocktail.

Really there is no way to know. Either way. At all. He is an anecdote of 1. And while I do overall enjoy his podcasts and overall think he is a net positive person to have in the world - he does espouse some medical nonsense and support things medically or in diet that have no supporting evidence for them at times.

Here for interest is a medical doctor who breaks down Rogan's post about the "cocktail" he took. I select this one because he usefully checks himself when he notices Rogan did not give enough information to call it either way. So it is not a complete Anti Rogan post - despite the click bait title - but actually a good explainer, breakdown, and cautionary description:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Lx-8O1q97M&ab_channel=DoctorMike

RobbieTheRobber · 06-09-2021 1:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117853590#Comment_117853590

He didn't but the idiots spurred on by his nonsense and without his financial resources will take the horse version.

Just like the idiots who spurred on by the orange wonder and drank bleach.

Brian? · 06-09-2021 3:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117853522#Comment_117853522

I gave the literal definition earlier. I’m happy with that.

Brian? · 06-09-2021 3:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117853567#Comment_117853567

I’m always defending Muslims???????

I honestly can’t remember ever being involved in a discussion about Muslims.

Hector Savage · 06-09-2021 3:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117854174#Comment_117854174

I said "radical" Muslims , big difference pal ...

Brian? · 06-09-2021 3:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117854215#Comment_117854215

This is even stranger. What radical Muslims have I defended?

and drop the “pal” shite.

Quin_Dub · 06-09-2021 5:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117853590#Comment_117853590

The issue is that lots of people are indeed taking the Veterinary version as it's all they can get their hands on and they don't really know that there is a difference.

It was the same with one of the stupid things that Trump was suggesting last year - The main ingredient was also in a fish-tank cleaner if my memory is correct so you had a bunch of people end up in hospital because they took that instead of the actual medical grade version.

Because of the hugely broken and expensive Health system in the US there is a massive culture of self-diagnosis and more worryingly self-medication there.

People have no healthcare and so have no access to Doctors so they see/hear/read about Ivermectin as a possible cure or even as a prophylactic and they got out and try to source it themselves online or elsewhere.

While Joe Rogan safely took the right version in the right doses because he has healthcare (whether it did anything for him is largely beside the point), him blithely saying "I took Ivermectin" is dangerous because of how some people will use that information.

Quin_Dub · 06-09-2021 9:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117855811#Comment_117855811

Of course there's a large does of personal responsibility in all of this but that doesn't mean that people with an audience don't also need to be careful in how they say things.

These people aren't called "influencers" for nothing.

Rjd2 · 07-09-2021 6:12am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117842057#Comment_117842057

https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1434349537737461764

That story has been largely disproven. It was obviously very brittle due to lack of sources but once Maddow etc got hold of it was understandable it went viral. Shame but it is what it is.

Rogan has dumb fans like anyone with such a sizable following , but the idea that loads are going to follow his instructions just seems like wish casting from people who loath him.

steddyeddy · 07-09-2021 3:30pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117856597#Comment_117856597

Actually the Ivermectin overdose cases are being reported by the National Poison Data System and the FDA

Poison control centers are seeing a dramatic surge in calls from people who are self-medicating with ivermectin, an anti-parasite drug for animals that some falsely claim treats COVID-19.

According to the National Poison Data System (NPDS), which collects information from the nation's 55 poison control centers, there was a 245% jump in reported exposure cases from July to August — from 133 to 459.

In Kansas, the Department of Health and Environment is urging residents to disregard false information about ivermectin's effectiveness against COVID-19.

"Kansans should avoid taking medications that are intended for animals and should only take ivermectin as prescribed by their physician," Lee Norman, secretary of the department, said earlier this week.

In Mississippi, which has one of the lowest rates of vaccination against the coronavirus, the state Department of Health issued an alert about the surge in calls to poison control in August. The department said that at least 70% of recent calls to the state poison control center were related to people who ingested a version of the drug meant for livestock.

NATIONAL

Inmates Weren't Told They Were Given An Anti-Parasite Drug Instead Of COVID-19 Meds

Minnesota's Poison Control System is dealing with the same problem. According to the department, only one ivermectin exposure case was reported in July, but in August, the figure jumped to nine. Kentucky has seen similar increases. Thirteen misuse calls have been reported this year, Ashley Webb, director of the Kentucky Poison Control Center, told the Louisville Courier-Journal.

"Of the calls, 75% were from people who bought ivermectin from a feed store or farm supply store and treated themselves with the animal product," Webb said. The other 25% were people who had a prescription, she added.

Snake Plisken · 07-09-2021 7:23pm

The legend is back up and running on the podcast with Tom Segura 👍

https://www.instagram.com/p/CTh5EWylYrp/?utm_medium=copy_link

Snake Plisken · 07-09-2021 7:55pm

Here he is discussing his Covid experience and what he took

https://youtu.be/3O_7O9_nV10

Melanchthon · 07-09-2021 10:24pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117858896#Comment_117858896

Story is still bullsh*t sourced of a medic who hasn't worked at the places they talked about in a number of months that got spread around the apparently trustworthy media that decry "fake news" regularly. Increase of 326 cases in the entire USA and we were meant to believe hospitals were struggling.

It's a shame Covid has got so political in the USA, saying 21 year olds probably don't need the vaccine is probably wrong but shouldn't actually that controversial if you look at risk vs flu which doesn't have mandated vaccination, and in terms of partisanship I don't see more /left liberal people decrying NFL and MBA other sports stars that haven't been vaccinated who are influencial to demographics with low vaccination rates.

Hococop · 07-09-2021 11:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117861048#Comment_117861048

As an NFL watcher, plenty of fans are ripping into the players that are not vaccinated, it's what could stop some players that are a free agent currently (especially at the cost of a forfeit) cam Newton being one of the top players

Hector Savage · 08-09-2021 11:32am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117860016#Comment_117860016

So will @ancapailldorcha and the usual ilk be retracting that he took horse de worming drugs ???

nahhhh ...

BobHopeless · 08-09-2021 11:39am

Great to see Joe bouncing back so quick.

BobHopeless · 08-09-2021 11:41am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117862586#Comment_117862586

Don't be silly. You just know there are a hell of a lot of people out there who had hoped it wrecked Rogan i'd go as far as saying some where hoping he'd die, that's the level of hate many have for others that don't tow the MSM narrative.

[Deleted User] · 08-09-2021 11:52am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117862586#Comment_117862586

Says the guy who ignored the request from Brian? to be specific about where Brian? defended "Radical Muslims" not 10 posts before this one? :) :) Different standards for you than everyone else is it?

Like Bob above I can not see why people have the Rogan hate - especially the ones Rogan was saying were genuinely wishing he has suffered greatly or even died from his Covid infection. What kind of life does one have to lead to spend any time at all wishing ill on an innocent human being? Haters gotta hate as they say!

Rogan has his issues but so does everyone. He peddles some unsubstantiated nonsense. But so do many people. I can not see any reason for the hate or even mild dislike of the man. Over all I find him a net positive by far in the world and I am glad he exists.

Someone said earlier that they do not like him because he does not "Challange" his guests. Actually I think that is why I do like him. There is enough people out there doing that. Some even challange their guests not to actualy challange them but to virtue signal their own wokeness. I heard it claimed for example in a recent interview someone from the Game of Thrones was asked to express some kind of remorse for having acted in a rape scene? I mean some on!

By not challenging the guests a different kind of conversation can happen that is happening in 100 other places. Which has more value to me than simply having 101 cases of the same conversation.

Wanderer78 · 08-09-2021 11:56am

be interesting to see if he experiences long covid

[Deleted User] · 08-09-2021 12:16pm

I guess that subjectively depends what interests you. Though that is likely stating the obvious. In and of itself it is not that interesting at all I suspect.

In terms of actual useful knowledge I can see absolutely nothing interesting about how any one single individual experiences Covid before - during - or after the infection. It tells us absolutely nothing and we can draw zero conclusions of any kind from it. Unfortunately some people likely will. They will look at the speed of his recovery - or symptoms he has in the long term - and likely draw unwarranted conclusions about things Rogan did or did not do.

It could in fact not be less interesting in any way - for me at least. So I am struggling to see what would be interesting about it.

Best I can do is hope no one - including him - suffers anything at all. Not going to happen of course. But I can hope all the same.

Hector Savage · 08-09-2021 12:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117862671#Comment_117862671

I'm not going to dig for them, anytime there is a jihadist attack he is one of the 1st on to defend defend defend ...

[Deleted User] · 08-09-2021 12:29pm

So you want to rush to demand people retract their statements - but when asked to substantiate one of your own it's all "I am not gonna bother"?

As I said one standard for you and one for everyone else.

Brian? · 08-09-2021 1:24pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117862844#Comment_117862844

You accused me thrice now of defending Islamist extremists with zero evidence. So provide evidence or stop. At this point I’m convinced you’re mixing me up with someone else, bizarre stuff

For anyone who doesn’t know me, this is come bullshit. I’ve never defended an Islamic extremist in my life. No such evidence exists. I rarely post in threads about Islamic extremism because even though I despise Islamic extremism, not wanting to deport all Muslims is construed as support for Islamic extremism.

Joe Rogan downplays the need for a vaccination and gets covid

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