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  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭Liam32123


    So, shall I justify also my username because I am a foreigner? are you serious?



  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭Liam32123




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭Dazler97


    I agree I'm originally from tallaght and I moved down to Carrick on Shannon 2 years ago simply because it was to expensive to keep renting throwing money away so we bought a 2 bed house for €69,000



  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭Liam32123


    My employer is an American multinational that has chosen Dublin as its European headquarter only for the low corporation tax. 


    They convinced me to take the job, and as soon as I arrived I bought a house in the centre. It was my big mistake, I admit it.


    Actually now I'm sending my CV to other EU States, but I haven't been lucky so far because the companies in my sector have all their headquarters in Ireland. And my children need clothes and food.


    Like so many other Europeans here, I pay a lot of taxes in this country, I don't even have the right to vote; I just want to wake up and not have to worry about my children. Sorry about that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,475 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    So you arrived, saved for a long time, got to know the city and then decided to buy a place around Jervis st? That's not even remotely believable.



  • Registered Users Posts: 746 ✭✭✭Heraclius


    I'm sorry your experience of Ireland has been so poor. Have you considered moving to a different part of Dublin or to a suburb?

    You can vote for local and European elections here if you want to. I don't know if many countries allow non citizens to vote in parliamentary or presidential elections.



  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭Liam32123


    Thank you. My point about 'voting' was that writing in a forum is probably the only way I can express my opinion. For some months I considered selling here and buying a house in Kilkenny, as they told me it is a very pleasant town; however, I have to see if they will let me work from home also in the next years. Yes, going to live in Kilkenny is one of my options if I have to remain other years



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,996 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    The Boardwalk is a failure and a no go area for most people now. It's a place for those up to no good to congregate and operate in gangs and numbers.

    One easy fix would be to get rid of the benches and just allow coffee/tea stalls with seating reserved for those purchasing same. But you know yourself, the cocky feckers would take the cafe seats and shout and roar and God help anyone who intervenes.

    Forget about the effect removing the benches would have on the law abiding citizens because few of them ever sit there anyway, no point, harrassed for money or worse before five minutes are up.

    Or just make it a cycleway, no seats, no pedestrians, at least that would serve a useful purpose.



  • Registered Users Posts: 746 ✭✭✭Heraclius


    If you are uncertain about your future in the country it wouldn't make great sense to buy anywhere though; it would be better to rent despite the costs until you are sure about an area and your future.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,897 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Most Dubs stay away from the boardwalk because they know the issues. Tourists/visitors don't unfortunately and will innocently wander along there. Not only is it dodgy from a safety perspective, it's dreadful image of the city. It's not just about street fights or assaults or uneasy atmosphere - it's the city's reputation as well.

    I would agree it's more trouble than it's worth and something should be done. But it's just one thing. There are many things that need to be sorted out right across a good chunk of the city center.

    I think it's been allowed decay to a point where I think it's going be very difficult to sort this stuff out at this stage.

    We are reaping what has been sowed for decades. The city has never been looked after or run properly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,996 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    I often wonder if City Managers A. are from Dublin, and B. live there during their tenure.

    God forbid that any of them are not au fait with all these issues because they leg it from their bunker in Wood Quay to a leafy suburb or another county every night, and don't wander around the city during their lunchbreak to see the reality. Experiencing what everyone is talking about is far better than blueprints and endless written reports.

    While I take your point about the Boardwalk being just one of many troublesome issues, it has no added value at all to those who pay for it through rates and Property Taxes. Not good enough, get rid of it, at least it would be one less place for the ne'er do wells to congregate and cause trouble. Sometimes a message like this (knocking it down) sends a powerful message too, and opens debate that will include the bigger picture.

    Man the barricades!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,585 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    At a very minimum, the benches should go and the quay walls made hostile for sitting on.

    The boardwalk was one of those ideas that are great in theory but terrible in practice. Who'd have thought that loads of public benches and a population of inner city delinquents would result in a no-go area.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,897 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    At the end of the day when a city is mismanaged as badly as Dublin is there are things that, in most cities would be great additions, but that we can't have in our city.

    We can't have them as a direct result of planning and policy failures by the council and a policing and justice system that is not working.

    I agree that getting rid of the boardwalk is better than keeping it. Unless security is suddenly going to be taken seriously which we all know it won't be.

    After recent events there'll be more guards for a while but it will be back to square one in a few weeks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,790 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    boardwalk is a nice idea but it’s from what I can see, never policed. There is zero appetite on behalf of the politicians, judiciary and therefore Gardai to clamp down and fix the antisocial delinquent, zombie scumbag fraternity that just seem to be multiplying year on year...in the city... around the keys and boardwalk is a regular hangout..

    when I lived in Paris I could walk the areas around the quays of the Seine from St Michel to Pont Neuf and take in a couple of pubs and never experience the slightest danger or scumbag... imagine going from O’Connell Bridge to Grattan Bridge at 01:00am along the boardwalk.... no thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭olestoepoke


    Just out of curiosity Liam, what part of Europe are you originally from? Did you grow up in a city?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭Liam32123




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,475 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I love Madrid, but there are prostitutes everywhere even in the tourist areas, pickpockets, even shanty towns including Europe's biggest La Cañada Real which i dont think even has electricity.

    Did I feel entirely safe there walking around at night? It was a bit dodgy but it was fine. If you are used to Madrid I'm very surprised you are so frightened in Dublin.





  • It's a farce mate. See the area around the primary care centre in Summerhill aswell.

    The root causes of addiction need to be taken head on. There is junkies everywhere north of the quays. Heroin and crack is rampant.

    It's absolutely disgusting. And the habit is filthy. To have to live and walk amongst it every day as a tax paying citizen is ugh.

    And before someone starts, I don't want to move. Why should I move. I'm contributing to society. What are the junkies contributing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    I can't believe the prices in Dublin, I was at home recently for the first time since 2019 and jaysus .... get a cup of coffee and a pastry would be 6,7 Euro ffs!!

    I am used to that being around 2 quid in Spain ..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,872 ✭✭✭John_Rambo



    You can easily spend over €10 for a coffee and pastry in Spain and you can easily spend €4 on a coffee and pastry in Dublin. Depends where you go.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 16 Ashida


    Agree with many of the posts above. I am a foreigner too and, unfortunately, also for me it is becoming extremely difficult to stay here, too many episodes of violence and I am starting to suffer from the anxiety of going out.

    I am now trying to send job applications to the South East of England



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,721 ✭✭✭PoisonIvyBelle


    Dublin is far from "un-livable" in the majority of aspects. Accommodation is the killer but then on the other side of it, you have a decent job market and average wage, albeit not decent enough to get near the rising property prices.

    We have a lot of green areas. Great amenities. Good public transport (better than a lot of cities across the world). You'd be thinking twice about how bad you think the junkie & homeless situation is if you took a walk through San Francisco. Just have some fecking sense and if you're not looking for trouble it's unlikely to find you here. I've never felt unsafe in this city, whether walking home from town at 3am or into town at 8.

    Dublin is a city with the warmth of character and culture to it that I've never experienced in another. It's been **** to see our city walls and canal walk creatives get driven out of the city in recent years by the council, but they'll be back. Dublin will be back. It never really left. It's in the heart and soul of everyone living in it and everyone who's left it. We're all in the shitstorm right now so give the city a break.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Well done, Carrick on Shannon is a great town for it's size



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,872 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Had a good night in the city last night. Great atmosphere, streets were clean and I made it home safely (again).

    Can the people who are coming across all this rubbish please take a few shots on their phones or show it to me on google street view?

    I know the city was left in a mess by the Cork and Limerick GAA fans on Saturday, but this was cleared up quickly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,526 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    @John_Rambo

    You're lucky you didn't see the trouble that happened with the young scumbags & the Gardaí at Pearse House last night.

    I would assume from your post above that you avoided this part of the city last night?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,408 ✭✭✭corner of hells




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭crazy 88


    That would be a normal sight in those areas compared to what he described



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,526 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    Jesus wept; that video looks really depressing. I can't understand how it's that bad in Philadelphia. Are people like those who would be struggling to stay upright over their knees as a result of all their drugtaking; currently visible on the streets of Dublin City Centre right now as a result of Covid?



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ Milena Big Firehouse


    I think Dubliners don’t want to admit that the city is sinking into a pit of anti social behaviour. Not just in the city centre, some of the suburbs are just as bad now. Also, the nice villages are now plagued with gangs and fights, ask anyone living in Howth or Malahide or similar towns on the Southside. Very little being done to tackle it, lots of empty words and promises but no action on the ground.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16 Ashida


    That is disgusting, and I live close by. I am feeling so depressed to live here



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,872 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    No, I was in the Henry St. Italian quarter area. That's the UK Express quoting Dublin Live in fairness, so take it with a pinch of salt, "petrol bombs were allegedly hurled".... I doubt there were any petrol bombs.

    No. Dubliners realise that Dublin has been left behind, we realise our property tax is bing taken out of the city to improve others lives around the country, we realise that money needs to be diverted back in to the city, we need a transport police for the issues you highlighted (although I live in one of the urban villages you talk about and haven't come across these infamous gangs), we need a metro police unit. The country needs to realise that nowhere was affected as badly as Dublin by the pandemic and the city needs to reinvest in itself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,475 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Howth and Malahide are plagued with gangs? I'm often in both places and Malahide especially is about as middle class and quiet an area you can get. Jesus Dublin Live has a lot to answer for if this is what you all think lol.

    I saw yesterday they took benches from a park in Cork due to anti social behaviour, people on Reddit were saying addicts and teenagers drinking were the cause. It doesn't make me think it's some lawless hellhole down there though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,897 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    I'm a Dubliner and I'm happy to admit it (the anti-social feral behaviour, not being a Dubliner 😉 )



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,897 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Howth and Malahide have had issues recently of gangs of feral youth using the DART from other areas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,475 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Yeah but cmon a few videos on Dublin Live is all it was. Kids have been going to these places on the Dart since I was a kid in the 90s, they just sensationalise everything now. If there was any real trouble in Malahide the residents wouldn't accept it for a second and it'd be sorted by Garda pretty quickly anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,897 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Here is a slice of what I assume is probably Balbriggan in Malahide. All these lads are off the bus or the DART and I'm told it is now the same every weekend. And that this only really became an issue there in the last 2 years. Actually maybe Darndale/Coolock as they appear to run for the bus.

    Wasn't there a young lad beaten to within an inch of his life for his phone just outside the castle a few months back by fellas off the DART?

    You assume these areas are somehow protected. They aren't. Nothing has been done in Malahide or Clontarf to my knowledge by gardai or the communities because what can they do?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,475 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Not going to watch it but I assume it's some kid jumping on top of a car or something. Does seeing things like this really make you think the wealthy area of Malahide is dangerous because a few kids were messing? I live close to Clontarf and am there all the time and didn't realise there were any issues with anti-social behaviour, I've never noticed any anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,897 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    No it doesn't make me think it's dangerous. It just makes me understand why residents are pleading for the Garda station to be reopened.

    We have a society where we are literally paying scrotes to drag up even more scrotes whose future is the scratcher. It's a multiplier effect.

    This notion, it's grand they'll stick to their own areas, that's gone years a go.

    And with mandatory social housing in new estates it's a moot point anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,897 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    +1. It's not in the interest of the service providers to actually fix problems because it is lucrative for them.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 281 ✭✭thegetawaycar


    The city centre is right now a complete hell hole, the percentage of little scumbags/down and outs is much higher than before since they live in the huge number of social housing, are attracted in by the services for addicts etc... with offices still being work from home there are less professionals about so percentage wise far outnumbered.

    The Gardai are nowhere to be seen, I was in Madrid city recently and every few streets there were police walking around, barely ever see that in Dublin.

    You can even see from the video from Pearse Street the gardai pick up weapons and run, they seem terrified.

    People saying remove amenities like the boardwalk are wrong. Those amenities need to be made safe, not removed. Those same scumbags will just move to the next place, do we then just close the parks since the scum are congregating there and so on until there is nothing in the city?

    Huge issues with anti social behaviour need to be stamped out, get in touch with your local TD, raise this as an issue. The main problem is that it's not seen as a huge vote winner. More only social housing in the city is not the answer, build housing/apartments for professionals in the city and encourage them back in. Social housing is all well and good but tenants causing issues should be removed and part of the agreement should be that you don't cause a menace to society or you lose your place to somebody else.

    Tackling the root cause is great and important and will have a long term impact but short term there needs to be mandatory sentencing after 20/30 convictions and less judiciary leniency. The same scumbags take up huge amounts of police time, court time and free legal aid, it needs to be clamped down on as a matter of urgency.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,542 ✭✭✭BlackEdelweiss


    Totally agree. I tried to buy a bit of hash from a guy on one of the streets off O'Connell St around 1995 and it turned out to be a bit of a magnet wrapped in loads of tin foil. I was feckin raging! Still am to be honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,408 ✭✭✭corner of hells




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,872 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    The number of times i've seen young people & teenagers described on this thread as feral youths, scrotes, scumbags, druggies etc is unreal. Talk about generalisations & exaggeration...

    Htg if I didnt live in dublin i'd think the place was being over-run by zombie like mobs 24/7.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    LOL I was just in Limerick yesterday and it was no oil painting.🤣

    A bit of sun in this country uncovers some things which should remain covered. 😮



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  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭Liam32123


    Perfect Analysis. It is this 'spirit of denial' that I cannot understand. Had two Asian friends as guests yesterday from Greystones, one currently being made redundant. They decided to spend huge money on taxi round trip, as they never take the Dart after 5pm, after being assaulted on a train last year by a gang of teenagers (who were not eventually identified by the authorities). Sometimes I ask where my tax money go...no public healthcare, no security on streets and transports, basically nothing in return as a public service



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,872 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    No public healthcare?? but everyone is entitled to treatment in a public hospital. I can think of many public services that all of our taxes pay for. Do your kids go to school for example or get free GP services or do you receive childrens allowance? Who pays for the Gardai or the fire service or what if you needed an ambulance in an emergency. Does your locality have street lighting or do you use the many public parks or libraries? What about our excellent social welfare system that provides supports for those less fortunate or old, or people with illness or disabilities.

    You get a lot of public services in return for taxes, maybe you hadnt thought about it clearly...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    I'm not objecting to the rest of your post but the way healthcare is structured in this country is very poor and not many European countries would tolerate system like ours and charges we pay.

    Another point about the whinge fest about LPT in someone else's post. 80% is distributed locally and maybe it's time for Dubliners to vote less brain dead councillors than the ones who actually cut LPT than whinge about it's distribution. Dublin could be lovely city but it seems quite clear it's councillors are preoccupied by organising piss ups in Mansion House and discussions when to put up Palestinian flags to worry about how liveable city is. There is absolutely no vision for city there but ideological posturing, why waste more money on them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,475 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Aren't all the problems in Dublin just general Irish problems though albeit on a larger scale? I've seen counsellors get in the way of developments in Cork and Limerick too, and NIMBYism goes on countrywide. There has been uproar nationwide when it came to car restriction and cycle lanes and improving the public realm, sometimes councils try to do things but residents and some counsellors make changes for the good impossible. Look at the injection centre carry on, which was just snobbery at its finest. It may have helped greatly with the problems addicts have in Dublin, but no, NIMBY.

    It just seems impossible to get anything done in this country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,872 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    Dublin is a lovely city and totally liveable in fact the whole country is. We are one of the most tolerant, open minded countries who welcome visitors and immigrants as can be seen by the high percentage of non-irish born numbers in our census figures. Our citizens enjoy religious, sexual and social freedoms that others dont and our great education system and many sporting activities are available to all equally. It's easy to start and operate a business which is one of the reasons so many MNC's are here and why we have so many work and employment opportunities. Our police force is not armed and our health service has done a great job in rolling out our vacination programme - for free too...

    Sure, we have some problems that have become more visible since Covid like litter or graffitti and there are people that game our generous welfare system & others who engage in ASB. In the overall scheme of living a good life in a politically stable country, they are minor issues.

    If everything here is as bad as some people feel, then that's obviously not a good way to live.



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