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DUBLIN IS TOTALLY UNLIVABLE **Mod Warning In Post #671**

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,529 ✭✭✭BlackEdelweiss


    Totally agree. I tried to buy a bit of hash from a guy on one of the streets off O'Connell St around 1995 and it turned out to be a bit of a magnet wrapped in loads of tin foil. I was feckin raging! Still am to be honest.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,354 ✭✭✭corner of hells




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    The number of times i've seen young people & teenagers described on this thread as feral youths, scrotes, scumbags, druggies etc is unreal. Talk about generalisations & exaggeration...

    Htg if I didnt live in dublin i'd think the place was being over-run by zombie like mobs 24/7.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,519 ✭✭✭Topgear on Dave


    LOL I was just in Limerick yesterday and it was no oil painting.🤣

    A bit of sun in this country uncovers some things which should remain covered. 😮



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  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭Liam32123


    Perfect Analysis. It is this 'spirit of denial' that I cannot understand. Had two Asian friends as guests yesterday from Greystones, one currently being made redundant. They decided to spend huge money on taxi round trip, as they never take the Dart after 5pm, after being assaulted on a train last year by a gang of teenagers (who were not eventually identified by the authorities). Sometimes I ask where my tax money go...no public healthcare, no security on streets and transports, basically nothing in return as a public service



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    No public healthcare?? but everyone is entitled to treatment in a public hospital. I can think of many public services that all of our taxes pay for. Do your kids go to school for example or get free GP services or do you receive childrens allowance? Who pays for the Gardai or the fire service or what if you needed an ambulance in an emergency. Does your locality have street lighting or do you use the many public parks or libraries? What about our excellent social welfare system that provides supports for those less fortunate or old, or people with illness or disabilities.

    You get a lot of public services in return for taxes, maybe you hadnt thought about it clearly...



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    I'm not objecting to the rest of your post but the way healthcare is structured in this country is very poor and not many European countries would tolerate system like ours and charges we pay.

    Another point about the whinge fest about LPT in someone else's post. 80% is distributed locally and maybe it's time for Dubliners to vote less brain dead councillors than the ones who actually cut LPT than whinge about it's distribution. Dublin could be lovely city but it seems quite clear it's councillors are preoccupied by organising piss ups in Mansion House and discussions when to put up Palestinian flags to worry about how liveable city is. There is absolutely no vision for city there but ideological posturing, why waste more money on them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,690 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Aren't all the problems in Dublin just general Irish problems though albeit on a larger scale? I've seen counsellors get in the way of developments in Cork and Limerick too, and NIMBYism goes on countrywide. There has been uproar nationwide when it came to car restriction and cycle lanes and improving the public realm, sometimes councils try to do things but residents and some counsellors make changes for the good impossible. Look at the injection centre carry on, which was just snobbery at its finest. It may have helped greatly with the problems addicts have in Dublin, but no, NIMBY.

    It just seems impossible to get anything done in this country.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    Dublin is a lovely city and totally liveable in fact the whole country is. We are one of the most tolerant, open minded countries who welcome visitors and immigrants as can be seen by the high percentage of non-irish born numbers in our census figures. Our citizens enjoy religious, sexual and social freedoms that others dont and our great education system and many sporting activities are available to all equally. It's easy to start and operate a business which is one of the reasons so many MNC's are here and why we have so many work and employment opportunities. Our police force is not armed and our health service has done a great job in rolling out our vacination programme - for free too...

    Sure, we have some problems that have become more visible since Covid like litter or graffitti and there are people that game our generous welfare system & others who engage in ASB. In the overall scheme of living a good life in a politically stable country, they are minor issues.

    If everything here is as bad as some people feel, then that's obviously not a good way to live.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭Liam32123


    What are we talking about? For an urgent procedure to remove a polyp, I had to return to my country. Here it was performed only by private hospitals, and the least expensive asked me for 5,000 euros; in my country I did it for free at the public hospital.

    Not to mention the creches; no support at all from the State. I can prove to you that they cost four or five times as much as in Spain. Eventually I gave up and got an au pair.

    I don't understand the reason for denying the evidence



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    No denying any evidence here. I had a similar procedure done within two weeks in a public hospital, so no, its not only available in a private hospital.

    The state does support pre-school years with the ECCE scheme, it's available for all children for two years whether they are attending a private or state funded creche/nursery.

    This IT article has some interesting information about creches in Spain. Also info about the salaries that are paying those fees. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/childcare-the-european-experience-1.3618057



  • Registered Users Posts: 622 ✭✭✭noelfirl


    Soooooooo....

    I've been home a week now, first time since September of 2020 and have been in and out of the city several times, early morning, during the day, in the evening. Today I did a massive loop around various bits of the city centre, top to bottom, docklands to Parkgate Street, Aungier Street to Parnell Street. Hell, I even went along the boardwalk.

    I read this thread before coming back and honestly was wondering what I was coming back to. Could it really have gotton so tragically bad? Should I have armed myself a-la Charles Bronson in a numerically unspecified "Death Wish: Dublin" sequel?

    I'm not doubting people's lived experience, and will readily recognise some of the issues noted here as being very real and requiring action, but I honestly think some of it might be a touch overblown. Just a touch. It's not exactly downtown Caracas out there.



  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭Liam32123


    I don’t know what you are talking about. You’re just posting unrelated links


    -Urgent Procedure for Hysteroscopy, only private could perform that in one month at 5.000 euros. A public hospital asked me to wait at least 5 months. 


    -I had now to subscribe to a Healthcare Provider. Actually, I have already changed two providers; I spend money and services are very low level 


    -I am very familiar with how useful can the ECCE Scheme be (sarcasm), no worries. I only know that I could not afford the creche for two children (and my income is not low at all)




  • Registered Users Posts: 16 Ashida


    You can't even judge a neighborhood in a week, and I assure you that Caracas is a very livable city, so I don't understand the reference. I think it all depends on personal standards; I have been the victim of assaults twice in three years. And for me it is very serious and made me decide I want to change country



  • Registered Users Posts: 339 ✭✭bdmc16


    Exactly I’m not fan of Dublin having lived there for years. There’s definitely issues but seem ridiculously overblown



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    I agree that some issues seem overblown. Lots of people dont like Dublin but many more think its great even though it has issues. I lived in other countries and while they were fine, they didn't suit me for the long term. Its a bit like different employers, some suit, some don't. At the end of the day if a person is very unhappy with their job or where they live, it's probably a good idea to reassess the situation - living with any level of stress that can be avoided is better for mental health and general wellbeing imo.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Dublin is too big in my opinion to have a council that deals only with small nonsense and lacks a common vision for the city. Towns just about get away with it because population density is that much lower. Galway is planning mess however it's easier to get things done as recent pedestrianisation showed. I think local government structures in Ireland are the problem for Dublin, you need councils and mayors that will be voted in on their programme and held accountable for that. Now it just seems to be a nursery for wannabe td's and ideological purists with no interest in how city develops.

    Just to add, I don't think Dublin has major issues around crime, there are some societal consequences of Covid and lockdowns. Do gooder organisations also can do more damage than good because they all deal with social issues in their own way. It's madness to hand out tents and sleeping bags if hostels have space. Problem is that Dublin is just a bit grubby and dirty and it seems people are afraid to deal with that so they won't be accused of victimising vulnerable.

    Traffic and lack of cycling and pedestrian infrastructure are main problems.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,690 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Caracas a livable city, gimme a f*cking break lol



  • Registered Users Posts: 16 Ashida


    I think it's very disrespectful what you wrote; I have lived many years there and I still have my own family there so I know what I am saying. Of course, if you isolate a few months of 2017 and read US-influenced mass media, I cannot do anything about it



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,186 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    The injection centre wouldn't have helped in the slightest, it just would've served as another degenerate magnet in the city.

    All drug services should be moved out of the city, along with the addicts.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,690 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I used to think the same, but they've as much right to be there as we do. You think addicts are degenerates? That's pretty disgusting.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,690 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I'm not even going to entertain this bullsh*t. Caracas/Venezuela is one of the most dangerous places in the world.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Drug addicts who land on street are not the only ones that keep drug dealers in business. I suspect it's middle class coke habit that makes more money for drug lords. Addicts will always gravitate to big city centres, there isn't much you can do about that. Calling them degenerates and removing facilities from them won't change situation one bit. There is probably an argument that decent facilities will improve situation. And as facilities I mean hostels, injection centres, health facilities, detox beds not another group handing out tents.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,690 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    heroin doesn't come from South America, it isn't cocaine addicts you see hanging around clinics in town. Also it's not really consciously participating, it's an illness, do you really think they want to live that sorry existence? Try and put yourself in their shoes, nearly all of them are from absolutely horrible backgrounds and never had a chance.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,865 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Show me a place or city where street drug issues have been solved.

    There are numerous supports, charities, State agencies, methadone clinics around Dublin that would surely substantially reduce the number of drug addicts scoring in the streets. But it never happens. I often wonder why. But it is self perpetuating. If the problem is solved, there is not so much need for all the charities anymore.

    It is akin to homelessness. There are a multitude of State supports available via the numerous homeless charities, yet more and more tents appear on the streets every day.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I see both perspectives. There is a problem with lack of policing in significant sections of the inner city, and beyond, for sure. Easy to dismiss that if you live in a nice area, but what if you can only afford the not so nice parts of e.g. Dublin 1, 3, 8...

    "Dublin is totally unlivable" is too over the top though. The title is probably what's causing the ridicule. Plus the pop psychology about "the Irish" and an apparent ability to read minds - by other Irish people.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,354 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    I work with homeless addicts in the city centre , they need an injection facility, a plan to detox off methadone both in the community and residential and lots of beds for treatment, health provision is ok however addiction and mental need to be looked at together.

    There is specialist medical/dental facilities along with some amazing professionals i.e wound dressing nurses , mental health nurses and so on.

    Let's not worry about the name calling and the idiotic suggestions about addicts and their supports from the city.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I watched a programme about a guy who became homeless as a child because of severe abuse in the squalid, freezing home. He ended up on heroin. I can completely understand someone in his situation turning to it for escape.

    Some people's circumstances are unfathomably horrific, and it's easy for those in comfortable circumstances to judge that which they don't know.

    But then there are others who haven't experienced hardship and just stupidly start using.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,768 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete


    I love the City, it is my City but I don't live here anymore.

    I've recently been home for the first time in 18 Months and visited the City Centre on Thursday.

    I understand the drugs and homeless problem, it has always been there - but I couldn't deal with the smell of piss in so many places from my walk from Jervis Street to Grafton Street. The Liffey smells nice in comparison.



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