There will be a rise in incel related terror attacks

21-08-2021 8:46pm

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Easy. Answer is A. Being with someone you're unattracted to.

VillageIdiot71 · 21-08-2021 9:10pm

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In fairness, if you wish him well this could dovetail with some of your musings a few years back.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/92603853#Comment_92603853

VillageIdiot71 · 21-08-2021 9:16pm

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I've never felt so miscategorised, or seen my subculture's contribution to social life being so misunderstood.

The original idiot was Socrates, who proudly announced that his only wisdom was to know that he knew nothing.

As for Incels, and everyone else, don't we know that there's no point in blaming others for the position you find yourself in.

21-08-2021 10:57pm

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https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xu50l

I did enjoy the short documentary about ye a few years ago, very informative.

As for the Incels, talk to your medical professional and get advice on different coping strategies and give the conspiracy theory grifters a wide berth.

Church on Tuesday · 22-08-2021 12:35am

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Would you believe that the self entitlement is actually born out of insecurity. If you're not comfortable in your own skin you'll develop a chip on your shoulder and that then leads to resentment which then leads to anger and a general negative vibe about you. Women pick up on that vibe right away , men too if you pay enough attention to this sort, mostly what they say.

I've met that type before in person and the root cause, overwhelmingly, was insecurity and not just being not true to yourself but also not being comfortable on your own.

Wibbs · 22-08-2021 8:25am

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or being with someone you're unattracted to with sadness in her eyes. Ouch. 😁

Mister Vain · 22-08-2021 8:43am

I couldn't do it myself but maybe it is fairly common. A lot of my friends/colleagues over the years would have been with women I thought were unattractive. You could kind of tell that some of them were settling. Oddly enough the few that did manage to pull stunners were short arses.

Wibbs · 22-08-2021 9:14am

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Actually thinking more on it, of the people I know and have known, just as many if not more women "settled".

Mad_maxx · 22-08-2021 9:17am

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I don't view it as a sad situation and I don't think it's a unique situation either , I simply couldn't do any better, that's just how it is, no one deserves a sexy gorgeous woman

Besides, no way would I ever get divorced or separate officially in Ireland, courts are too biased against men

Mad_maxx · 22-08-2021 9:21am

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There are numerous things which could cause someone to be insecure , a tough childhood for one , many guys who have " chips on their shoulder " or come across as slightly angry have no trouble getting a woman

joe40 · 22-08-2021 9:38am

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There's someone for everyone.

You keep going on about Low level males, do you think all Women have it easy in the dating game.

There is a lot of loneliness out there and I have nothing but sympathy for the people affected.

However anger at the opposite sex is not a response that will have any success. It will make your situation worse.

BrianD3 · 22-08-2021 9:53am

I think it's pretty clear that women settle more than men. I have known women for over 20 years who have seemingly gone from being rabid heightists in their early 20s to "anything will do" in their mid thirties. They now claim that height doesn't matter to them and also claim that it never mattered to them. LMAO. Absolute nonsense, they are being pragmatic (not enough tall man about but those eggs aren't going to fertilise themselves and the mortgage won't pay itself either) and are also rationalising. They might marry a short man but then carry some resentment about doing this. This can also lead to domestic tension, mocking the husband for being useless at DIY and so on. Some will take this further and cheat.

There's a lot of sneering on this forum about chore sex guy yet he has a point as do the incels with their betabuxx stuff. Most men are not physically attractive to women. Even if you have the raw material to be good looking it takes a lot of work in the gym to build a great body and to drop your bodyfat enough to bring out your facial structure.

I remember a few years ago there was a social event in work where partners were invited. Myself and a (straight) female colleague were looking at the photos afterwards and she was commenting on everyone's appearance. It went as follows:

He's a munter

She's good loooking

She's much better looking than he is

He did well for himself.

He's very short

He has lost a lot of hair

She's beautiful

The state of him

etc. etc.

Apparently there was not ONE good looking man out of a large group.

Mister Vain · 22-08-2021 10:05am

@BrianD3 I had to gain bodyfat to bring out my facial structure. It took me a while to grow into my face.

22-08-2021 10:11am

All the focus on looks is a problem in itself as it doesn't reflect the real world. For a start, good looks doesn't equate to sexiness. Speaking for a friend here ahem, but he says the sexiest woman he ever had sex with on an ongoing basis was a short, tubby lady and the worst was a model-esque TV presenter. Riddle me that one.

And that's before we even get into the glaringly obvious and far more important fact that good looks don't reflect anything about virtue or character... (Disney has a lot to answer for on this topic, I reckon) :)

Homelander · 22-08-2021 10:14am

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Do you think at any point in your life you might accept a shred of responsibility for your own situation?

If women only went for the holy triumvarite of handsome/tall/successful types the world would die off in a generation, notwithstanding the utter immaturity of someone who thinks women are some sort of collective hive mind that actually rate movie-star looks, height and huge penises above all else.

You can keep saying it all you want but it's not true, it'll never be true, it wasn't true at any point in time previous, and it's equally not true in the modern era regardless of the prevelant method of matchmaking. It's actuallly utterly absurd and directly contradicts reality and the literal evidence you would collect if you stepped outside your front door.

I do believe that you have to find your partner attractive. But that is hugely subjective, and realistically as a man, being in decent shape, reasonably well presented, is most of the battle once you have some sort of passable personality and ability to connect with others.

I am astoundingly average looking, of average height, not in tremendous shape, don't have a great job. I have zero trouble meeting women, women I find attractive. It's not hard, not even close. I think of all my friends, my social circle, my work colleagues, and how almost all of them, regardless of any factor you could imagine, are in relationships. It genuinely blows my mind when I read this "incel" stuff and hear these outrageous, comical, almost religious fever-like claims and mindsets.

I mean, my only question out of all this is, where an earth are all these 6"1, successful movie-star "Chads" with the huge schlongs that are apparently hoovering up the entirety of the women on the dating scene?

Or..... is it somewhat more likely, and by likely I mean with 100% certainty, that people who align themselves with this nonsense have some sort of warped tunnel-vision, and become completely fixated and develop an "entitlement" complex.

It's no different to wanting to get paid without working, have a six pack but never go the gym, be successful without taking steps to make it happen, whatever.

It reminds me of that comic where this comically grotesquely nerdy guy is wistfully looking at a hot cheerleader type, and he says "I wish someone would like me for who I am, not what I look like" and a charicature nerdy, spotty girl beside him says "I love you, Robert". And he replies - "Yeah, but you're ugly".

It is a load of baseless, utter nonsense that basically tries to pseudo-talk its way into sounding credible, like it's based on something real. It is not. It's completely laughable, basically a bunch of socially inept individuals inventing imaginary boogeymen to offset the blame for their own failures.

I sincerely hope people who perpetrate this stuff, in the main, look back at this mindset and wonder how an earth they ever subscribed to it.

22-08-2021 10:18am

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There's someone for everyone.

How do you know there is?

The simple truth is that society has built up an unrealistic expectation for people through social conditioning. In China, there's over 30 million more men than women. In various towns in the US or other countries, the demographics can be heavily skewed towards one gender or another. Sure, people can leave their locations to move elsewhere where the opportunities are greater, but often people are limited in choice due to personal circumstances.. and that doesn't even include the host of personality/psychological issues that might anchor someone to a place with few options.

While I have little sympathy for this Incel nonsense (since I blame social media and the industry of Psychology/social sciences for it), there are real issues with connecting with others. This is especially true in cultures where gender/social roles are reinforced (like small town America, with it's jock, cheerleader, etc crap), and people are forced into boxes of attitudes and behavior which conditions them over their teens/early 20s towards stereotypical types of behavior. Throw in the focus on beauty and superficial qualities which are both encouraged to continue and criticized all the same.

Modern society loves double standards. To claim something is a negative, all the while encouraging that negative to continue to exist. The focus on beauty leads to unrealistic expectations, and personal anguish, but every piece of social media, the media itself, and many social interactions elevate those who fit the ideas of beauty to positions unavailable to others. While women are complaining about being objectified, other women are doing everything they can to be objectified (due to the financial/social benefits of being objectified).

Now, I don't claim to understand this Incel crap very well, although I do understand how someone could become bitter about the whole thing. Dating is not easy. Navigating the increasingly murky world of inter-gender relationships is often hard, and when your own confidence is flaky, I could understand how a few negative experiences would set you to believing that you're victimized in some manner. I went through my own bitterness over experiences, both the difficulty in meeting others, and the negative experiences from actual dating. I carry those scars to this day... although, I found my own way of dealing with it all, without needing to blame anyone, or expect any kind of special treatment. But then, I didn't join a support group of people with similar bitterness, nor seek to wallow in that anger. I could easily have done that though, and so, I do feel some compassion towards incels. It's their own fault, and yet, not their own fault. That's simply life.

Incels were born out of the social and technological changes of the last few decades, and if we want to deal with such a movement, we need to recognise that society is to blame here. There will be more attacks because extremism is encouraged, especially within American culture, but also throughout western culture(s). Which has been validated by Psychology, and social sciences, giving them reasons to be the way they are, rather than seeking to deal with the root problems. ie. A failing sense of community, the double standards within society regarding status and attraction, and the circle jerk-fest of social media.

However, to get back to your post, there isn't someone for everyone. And TBH people need to recognise this, and not only that, accept that they can have meaningful and great lives without that other person. I'm in my mid 40s and single... and I love it. Especially when I compare my life with friends who are in relationships, and the changes those relationships have had on them over the decades (both physically and mentally). We need to accept that many people don't need these kind of relationships, and can be perfectly happy without them. (which is not to say that some intimacy is not desired)

BrianD3 · 22-08-2021 10:20am

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I grew into my face too but it wasn't due to gaining bodyfat. I lost bodyfat (due to the gym) and around the same time the bones and skin were slowly changing for the better. More masculine, bigger chin and jaw and thicker looking skin. This happened years after puberty. I think the bone changes also resulted in improved symmetry.

EmmetSpiceland · 22-08-2021 10:33am

If all the hot women are settling for short tubby manchildren eventually why are you complaining?

Obviously the “uggos” could be using their 20s to get in shape and work on their social skills to pull decent ladies then but if they’re going to be dropping their standards to the floor you could just wait it out, continue playing computer games, watching cartoons and consuming vast quantities of hardcore gonzo pornography.

Just seems a real juxtaposition that the guys who seem to hate women the most are the ones who want them all to themselves. They’re also the ones who put in the least amount of “effort” but think they deserve the most “reward”.

Good presentation, deportment, and a good “personality” go a long way for both guys and girls. Focus on sorting that out and it would go a long way to offsetting all that, misogynistic, anger and, excessive, self-pity.

Wibbs · 22-08-2021 10:49am

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Blame the ancient Greeks more like Meep as it goes right back to them in European thought. They considered beauty to be a direct gift of the gods and reflective of an inner beauty of goodness and intellect. Well, only if you were a man. And men worked hard at it. Those Greek statues of perfectly sculpted muscles with more six packs than an off licence were thought to be fantastical ideals, but it turns out many of them were made by taking casts of real men. They spent their days in the gym. Someone like Socrates confused them mind you. He was clearly a intellectual giant, but was short, fat and bald.

Women's beauty was admired too, but considered a reflection of an inner evil, of danger to men and society. They adored blondes and especially redheads though. Pale skinned gingers were top of the tree. There seemed to have been more of them around back then compared to the modern Greek population.

One might argue the incel culture isn't too far off some of the above(the now waning pickup culture is similar). They seem obsessed with "chads" and standards of male beauty, with added "no homo" caveats lest onlookers may think they walk on the other side of the street. And women are reduced to either non entities because they're not gorgeous enough, or the gorgeous unattainable ones who are seen as inherently evil and dangerous. But I digress... 😁

Mister Vain · 22-08-2021 10:58am

What the hell is that last line you keep posting Wibbs? 🤣

22-08-2021 10:58am

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Yes, but as you hint at.. the ancient greeks were quite nuanced about the whole thing and conscious of what lies beneath and within the surfaces of things. Heidegger's account of the historical evolution of 'truth' from aletheia to veritas, i.e. from Greek to Roman worldviews is arguable, but interesting in this context.

Wibbs · 22-08-2021 11:15am

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Oh their philosophers were alright, the aforementioned Socrates being one who waxed lyrical on the nature of beauty, but the everyday culture itself was very "lookist". The production of mirrors and hair and makeup products were big business and the first references to eating disorders in women come from then. The later Romans were more like puritanical Greeks in that they often looked for realism, warts and all.

22-08-2021 11:29am

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Funny, I've just realized that my conceptions of ancient Greece are built entirely the work of its philosophers from the pre-Socratics forward and pays almost no attention to history in the form of the everyday experiences and values of ordinary people. Have to wait several centuries for Descartes and later the existentialists, for the primacy of the individual subject, ordinary experience (and ordinary people) to take its proper place at the center of philosophical enquiry.

joe40 · 22-08-2021 11:41am

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The someone for everyone reference was flippant, and I know it doesn't work out that way for many people.

I know Men and women (good people) who are single but would prefer to be in a relationship. A lot of factors can conspire to make that happen.

I know people in dysfunctional relationships who would be better off single.

I fully accept it can be difficult, my main point was getting angry and blaming the opposite sex was an extremely unattractive quality, and if someone was genuinely looking for a partner it would make it more difficult.

The looks/attractiveness thing is an issue for many people and but it affects all genders. The incel community seem to think the attractive women owe them something.

completedit · 22-08-2021 12:04pm

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There's a few things going on. Incels actually idolise Chad but at the same time despise the world that puts him on a pedestal. A lot of the incel community spend their time trying to reach Chad status through going to the gym, surgeries and doing whatever else they believe they need to do to be Chad. But for every 'optimist' there's the incel who believes this to be a waste of time and that these guys will never be attractive to the women they like because you cannot overcome biology.

Then a lot of bitterness towards women comes from the fact that a women of a similar looks level to an incel will never lack for male attention and will have way more options than her male equivalent. This is fundamentally true. Just compare a male after a relationship ends and a female. Often the girl will have someone lined up whereas a guy might go several years without meeting somebody after a relationship breaks down.

Tork · 22-08-2021 12:11pm

Jesus, the more of your post I read, the creepier and weirder you become. You have a very warped view of human interactions, and of women. No wonder you're having trouble with your love life. Do you even have friends in real life? I'm starting to wonder.

22-08-2021 12:11pm

Incels actually idolise Chad

The plot thickens.

So, they worship Chad but are also proudly homophobic? Hmm.

A lot to unpack, but I do have to say that I don't envy any young person anyone trying to work out their sexuality in today's world.

22-08-2021 12:13pm

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But there are loads of women ('attractive' and 'unattractive' whatever those words mean) that are not attracted to Chads! How do the incels incorporate that reality?

completedit · 22-08-2021 12:14pm

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Yes, David Gandy, Tyler Maher, and The Greensboro jock(for the masc. lovers) amongst others are some of the demigods. There's a lot of debate about what women like, whether they want large dominant rugby players or handsome male models. The truth seems somewhere in between.

22-08-2021 12:17pm

^ The whole thing is baffling, unproductive, appears to be a form of self-harm, is likely to enhance or even engender body dysmorphia and as an interpretative framework seems to lead to nothing but nihilism and ruin.

Besides that... :)

completedit · 22-08-2021 12:17pm

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Big dick or status. And not getting with Chad doesn't mean they aren't attracted to them. Chad is always the baseline of attractiveness, for instance, I was speaking to a girl last week who told me she was going out with a guy because he was a senior cup rugby player(Not sure how he looked like but in our culture this is a Chad) and she was only going out with him because it was who she felt she should go out with. This might seem to disprove my worldview but it only reinforces it. Women start off gravitating towards chad and it's only over time that they might look at alternative options.

22-08-2021 12:20pm

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Young people can be really, really dumb and that girl, if she was being honest, sounds like a fool. Trust me, it all gets better (less judgmental, less fractious, more tolerant etc.) as peoples' egos crumble over time :)

EDIT: And it's not just egos crumbling over time, BTW. When you are young and lacking in experience, you fixate on what you think you are supposed to want and a lot of that is derived from cultural noise, such as the corporate entertainment sector and media. Over time though, you learn what you actually want in a partner.. and it is often nothing like your youthful view.

One eyed Jack · 22-08-2021 12:58pm

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‘Tis homoeroticism as opposed to homosexuality appears to be the influencing factor there, but again the Ancient Greeks can be blamed for that too 😁

One eyed Jack · 22-08-2021 1:07pm

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It DOES reinforce your world view, because her attitude is exactly the same as yours, only in female form, with the whole nonsense ideas about ‘status’ and all the rest of it. The whole pile of garbage is just an easier sell to young men, there’s even supplements marketed towards young men in your circumstances which plays into your attitude and reinforces your mindset -

https://www.bluestarnutraceuticals.com/products/status

It would be comical and if it weren’t so unfortunate, I’d think it was a parody. Your earlier claim btw about ‘existing only in our own worlds’, nope, that’s just you, completely contradicted by your own beliefs which are measured based upon external factors where you claim biology cannot be overcome, and yet one of your criteria that contributes to status is being able to provide financial security, which to the best of my knowledge, has feckall to do with biology, and unless you’re a male porn performer who goes gay for pay, it has nothing to do with the dimensions of ones penis either.

22-08-2021 1:28pm

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That would depend on their own experiences of being with women. I've (as have many of my friends) had extremely painful and sometimes destructive relationships with women in the past, and that can factor into how someone views women in a relationship/dating perspective. TBH the best thing I ever did was leave Ireland, and get away from the Irish dating culture, because it gave me better perspective over how people behaved, rather than how people behaved in the roles they had created (or pushed) themselves into.

Personal responsibility is not a very popular consideration these days, which extends into many areas of peoples lives. Few people want to recognise that their negative experiences are a result of their own choices, especially when those negatives are repeated. It's easier to blame others, or external factors... and social media (and society in general) is very quick to encourage such passing away of that personal responsibility for choices. Victim blaming can be attributed anywhere, and is... limiting the ability for many people to learn from mistakes and grow in a manner to make better choices in the future. It's desirable to be a victim in many western cultures because of all the supports, sympathy, and benefits (real or imagined) associated with that state. As such, why shouldn't men feel to be victims due to how the women in their lifetimes have treated them? It's not as if this isn't the way many women have portrayed their own experiences for decades.

I see little difference between the incel community and the hardline feminists, or whatever group you want to mention, who glorifies in playing the victim.. constantly finding excuses to justify that existence and attacking anyone who challenges it. However, the incel community didn't just appear out of nowhere. It copied other groups who have been griping about things long before them., and received a wide range of attention.

BrianD3 · 22-08-2021 1:56pm

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Ability to provide financial security is nothing to do with biology? It is well established that tall men are perceived as being better leaders/more competent and hence do better in their careers than shorter men. And that's just one and obvious aspect of biology.

I don't know if neurotypical mesomorphs with masculine faces (Chads) do better in the work place than autistic ectomorphs with receding chins - I would suspect that in general and apart from areas such as coding etc., Chad wins.

Does Chad also have a bigger cock, if Chadness is related to testosterone levels during gestation, perhaps he does.

One eyed Jack · 22-08-2021 2:15pm

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A correlation based upon perception, completely unrelated to biology.

’Chadness’ is not to be found in any biology textbook either, but at 5’7” Jeff Bezos would no doubt be dismissed as an outlier, even though the whole premise of the correlation between the ability to provide financial security and height is itself predicated upon observation of outliers. Far from established science, albeit well established BroScience.

BrianD3 · 22-08-2021 3:09pm

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Is height an aspect of biology or is it not? A correlation based upon perception, please explain what you mean here

a) there is a perception (by incels etc.) that there is a correlation between height and earnings

or

b) there is a general perception that tall men are better leaders and more competent

If a), well it's not a "perception" it is based on actual research, not broscience and not outliers e.g.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2709415/

https://www.apa.org/monitor/julaug04/standing

if b), it doesn't matter if the perception of competence is justified or not, the end result is that short men end up earning less than tall men. Tall Chad then ends up attracting women who want a tall man, women who want a rich man and women who want a man who is both tall and rich.

Carfacemandog · 22-08-2021 3:15pm

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You mean it would be a lot easier to not make any effort, throw your arms up, and claim "welp, what is a boy to do. Its not my fault so no point trying to make any effort at self improvement."

completedit · 22-08-2021 3:19pm

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It actually wouldn't be better but would solve the problem of shooting out of your league and the frustration that can cause.

Fighting Tao · 22-08-2021 5:01pm

I love this thread. It’s like the conspiracy theory threads where the OP never answers questions because it would challenge their beliefs.

endacl · 22-08-2021 5:11pm

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OP’s username is inspired by his thinking style.

completedit · 22-08-2021 5:45pm

I am actually open to some ideas and throughout a typical day my views will harden or mellow out. I am not an extremist and I don't hate individual women; I get them and I understand that most of the time these forces are subconscious.

Strumms · 22-08-2021 6:21pm

22-08-2021 6:32pm

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What's shooting out of your league though? Is that based on appearance, social status, your wealth, who your parents are, whether you/she is famous, etc? [Don't go to extremes in answering]

The first important thing I learned after leaving Ireland was that "leagues" are rubbish. It entirely depends on that persons state when you meet them, and consequently the emotional memory she/he had when she thought about me after that encounter. I've dated women who were rich, sexy, reasonably famous, and the one thing that united them, was that they were lonely... because most men "in their league" were gobshites and they were very tired of being boxed into a particular category.. (unless it suited their interests at the time). Dating and relationship leagues are a social lie... designed to box people and their behavior.. and it's rubbish.

completedit · 22-08-2021 6:40pm

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Why would Ireland have leagues and these mythical foreign lands not? Unless you went to these places without your own ingrained biases? Possible I suppose.

22-08-2021 6:58pm

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No, the idea of being restricted to a particular league is pretty common throughout the world, and in many respects is more obvious, due to the disparity between socio-economic groups. It's still a cop out. A way to justify some kind of elitist mentality, while giving negative led sympathy to those who don't succeed. Dating is full of this self-limiting BS... and it is BS as long as you allow yourself to be framed that way.

Wibbs · 22-08-2021 7:21pm

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Exoticism works in your favour and the fact you're somewhere different and you are different that can up your chances, both because of that exoticism and more because you're more likely to act differently and usually more confidently. I've seen it for myself and have seen the opposite happening here with a few Italian lads I knew. Including one who had mucho success here but seeing him in Italy he could have fallen into a box of boobs and come out sucking his thumb. Useless.

Dating culture can be a large part of it too. Along with other things we've imported the American dating culture to more of a degree than say France or Italy etc and of course imported their daft gender wars/incel/pickup stuff with it. Well like many an accent here it's a mid atlantic twist on it as US dating culture and the culture itself is quite different and it's a more dog eat dog culture anyway where the hard sell is often in play.

BrianD3 · 22-08-2021 7:34pm

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There are at least nuggets of wisdom in what the OP has said. It is a negative outlook and people don't like that but the rebuttals are not convincing. Stuff like "I know a shortarse who SLAYS" doesn't really cut it.

Anyhow I've enjoyed this thread especailly the posts about Ancient Greece.

briany · 22-08-2021 7:46pm

Whole thing seems a bit mad. I looked up one the most infamous 'incels', Elliot Rodger, expecting to see some loveless gargoyle, and instead saw someone you could put in a boyband. Obviously, he must have had some severe mental issues to do what he did and to see the world the way he saw it.

There will be a rise in incel related terror attacks

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