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Working From Home Megathread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 637 ✭✭✭Absolute Zero


    Awesome news. Fair play to your company. Hopefully more companies can follow this trend. Enjoy your drink. Hoping to hear something similar but we will see. They've pushed us back to Spring 2022 and lets see what happens closer to that time.

    Working from home has been a revolutionary change to my life and I've never been happier in a job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 509 ✭✭✭HairySalmon


    I’m starting a new job soon and from the start I wanted to work from home. It wasn’t something that was advertised as an option but I said if they wanted me they had to let me work from home, especially since I moved out of Dublin. They said they’d let me WFH as much as possible but to come in once or twice a month to meet with clients which is totally fair.

    My current employer wanted us back 4 days a week when guidelines lift and that was an absolute dealbreaker.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭Patsy167


    If your only two options were to return to your office 5 days per week or take a pay decrease and have the option to work full time WFH, How much of a pay decrease would you be prepared to take?

    I would gladly forefeit ~20% of salary for the luxury



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,569 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Why would you take a pay decrease?

    You have the same tasks whether you are at home or in the office.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,581 ✭✭✭JTMan



    Bloomberg cited a survey on this which said that the average pay cut that people were willing to take was 5% for their job to go fully-remote.

    Stripe gave staff the option of working fully-remote and locating anywhere in the US in exchange for a 20k once-off bonus and a 10% pay-cut.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,289 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I can see the logic of a pay cut as part of a relocation for remote work as cost of living in your new home might be radically different , but if you are staying in the same location then there's no justification for a pay-cut.

    US employees of my company have been told that if they move to another State as part of remote work then their salary will be adjusted based on the market rate for their new location.

    If anything your employer is saving money by not having to have a dedicated space for you in an office.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,581 ✭✭✭JTMan


    Fair point that pay adjustments can often only be justified when moving from a high cost of living location (like SF) to a lower cost of living location.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,379 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Man that drinks is going to taste sweet! Enjoy your new life.

    My place are still as dogmatic as ever about returning. I know I've had it pretty sweet in comparison to plenty of workers but still grinds my gears that they're not budging.

    Dusting off the CV instead of the covid cert!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭Patsy167




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 401 ✭✭Bellie1


    I'm still unclear. Does this mean in the UK, they're not forcing staff back ,just encouraging them?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,581 ✭✭✭JTMan


    It's just another example of adjusting wages when someone WFH from a lower cost location. SF and London are two primary examples of this.

    I can't see any Ireland company applying Dublin and non-Dublin salary levels i.e. reducing wages if someone WFH outside of Dublin.

    Meanwhile, Google are using a transparent calculator as to how much salaries will get adjusted in the US based on where you WFH full-time ...

    https://www.reuters.com/world/the-great-reboot/pay-cut-google-employees-who-work-home-could-lose-money-2021-08-10/?taid=611282e6e3628400019e270b&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 509 ✭✭✭HairySalmon


    That’s absolutely grim. Me working from home saves the company money, allows them to potentially downsize, cut electricity costs, and useless stuff like ping pong tables.

    My wage is very much still a ‘Dublin wage’ and I’d scoff if they tried to cut it down just because I’m on the other side of the country.



  • Posts: 31,828 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I suppose that makes sense, as the weighting was really to cover the extra costs involved in commuting into London each day, they will need to look at replacing it with travel expenses for the occasional trip to the office, otherwise staff will be on a two way loser.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,819 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    It also exposes the company to some risks that they don't face if you're in a controlled office environment.

    Bottom line though, labour markets are about supply and demand.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,289 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I think that as long as you don't move your salary shouldn't change - As other have said I can't see any changes in Ireland tbh , but in the US for example there are absolutely massive differences in costs depending on where you are.

    If you are currently living in a Major city and decide to relocate to rural Idaho or the whatever then I don't see a big issue with your salary changing as you'd be buying a 10 bedroom mansion on a decent sized chunk of land for the price of a 1 bed Apartment in somewhere like San Francisco or New York.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    ISME calling for employers to be allowed to ask vaccination status of employees. From the various other groups cited here it seems to be quite an ask.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭Amadan Dubh


    All that vaccination request will be is to ensure that they don't have people not vaccinated in the office so a choice of not taking a vaccine will just mean the emoyer prefers you to continue to wfh. With 90% of workers vaccinated anyway its a bit of a moot point to be honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,520 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    You should be looking for a 20% increase to cover rent of the space you are providing to your employer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38 TLF


    It's been announced today that our office is reopening on 23rd August. It will be a hot desk situation with 2m social distancing and desks needing to be booked in advance. Formal instructions haven't come out yet so assuming it's optional so far.

    We're a US MNC but I'm v surprised and disappointed at how soon this is, as there's v likely to be unofficial pressure for us to go in as much as possible. Employees are being 'encouraged' to get vaccinated but that's the only mention of vaccine status. We have to wear masks when moving around but can take them off at the desk.

    Wish I worked for a company that wasn't even suggesting this until next year.... 😕



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,581 ✭✭✭JTMan



    Your company are not following government guidance which states that work from home where possible must occur. It is speculated that this will get lifted sometime in September. Not August.

    Your company are also going against the grain with what most other companies seem to be doing which is pushing it back.

    Interesting that masks will not be required when you are at your desk, misses the point that the virus is airborne.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,581 ✭✭✭JTMan


    More companies in the US are pushing back return to office plans and making vaccination status declarations mandatory when they do reopen ...




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 691 ✭✭✭jmlad2020


    As someone who saves a large portion of my Dublin Salary whilst working remotely outside of Dublin, I certainly can forsee many companies reducing wages for those working remotely once this all ends.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    I lost my one WFH day when the HSE Cyberattack happened, and unsurprisingly, it hasn't come back yet. No idea from management when or even if it will, IT are calling the shots apparently.

    I heard they will bring it back to some extent but will severely restrict who they grant it to. Management will love that as they will just say "no" and force you into the workplace.

    I knew it was too good to last.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 256 ✭✭Crybabygeeks


    A someone who plans to move, I'd wonder what data they could use in Ireland to make am estimation and come up with a number?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,059 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Linkedin another company that has let their employees work remotely or in the office, if they choose.

    Can't say I see offices opening up properly this year, and if they do, the number that will go back will be very minimal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,646 ✭✭✭baldbear


    Working for a U.S multinational & people can go back from October of they want. So i won't be back this year.

    At the moment we are been asked to ask questions or express concerns about going back.

    I know people who won't get the vaccine & are saying they don't want to go back to the office.

    Some people are saying they won't go back due to climate affects and alot mentioning their mental health. It's a card played a lot in my office and that's not me making light of mental health issues.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,581 ✭✭✭JTMan


    The more I think about it the more I think it would be irresponsible for the government to allow offices to reopen in September.

    [Schools reopening including un-vaccinated primary schools] + [colleges reopening] + [offices reopening] + [Delta wave] + [waning from Pfizer vaccines 6 months+ prior] + [breakthrough infections] + [more indoor activities due to weather] = what could go wrong?!

    Take one thing out of the equation. Leave offices until October. Very few people will care. Leave September as the month to focus on schools, colleges and hopefully the tail end of the Delta wave. If September goes smoothly, then reopen offices in October. If it doesn't, then wait until after Winter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7 Dr_Zeus



    Interesting that they have made a return optional. That seems to be the theme for any company deciding to reopen this year. Optional return, small return and delayed return are the themes.

    Surprised people are using "climate change" and "mental health" as reasons.

    Firstly, surely the simplest excuse is "I don't want to be in an indoor office until after we see Covid risk decline substantially" or "I live with someone with a health condition" or "I don't want to have to wear a mask indoors all day".



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,732 ✭✭✭scamalert


    and once company realizes someone in 3rd world country could do same job for 1/5th the cost, and that would be a real saver. not a risk for small local companies, but plenty examples where large multinationals do it every day.



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