I studied in my room for the leaving cert.
It seems like a lack of discipline and you are working more hours because of it.
I just find it strange an adult would need someone supervising them to do work.
Look at the opposite side of it, I have a bit of downtime today, if I was in work I would be roasted in a shirt and pants and bored off my head pretending I am doing work.
I am at home sitting with no t shirt on lovely and chilled, I have the house cleaned and I am going for a nice long walk in the sun.
Next week I could be up to my eyes and have to work till 7 and instead of getting home around 8 and cooking food, I will throw something in the over and close the laptop at 7 and head out to do something.
Remember all that 'guaranteed small talk'? That's how you learn about other stuff going on outside of your direct area. That's how you learn about new opportunities and managers to avoid. That's how you build relationships outside of your immediate team that stand to you when you expand your role or just need someone to bounce something off.
You shouldn't let your lack of imagination get in the way of seeing the all the benefits of remote working
Great New York Times article on the status of return to the office.
Some interesting take-aways:
Delays, u-turns, some pissed off employees with returning, social distancing between desks and painful mask wearing at your desk. Lovely.
September return to the office is looking less and less likely.
WSJ reports ... "The Office Is Back ... What If Covid Has Other Plans?"
A new twist on the WFH theme, an office that is like being at home!
Sounds like a desparate attempt to keep business parks alive.
Small talk is never about work.
Its listening to colleagues waffle on for an hour about the football or other sports results, Love Island, their kids, the eternal "what are your plans for the weekend" every Friday followed by "how was your weekend" on Monday followed by a full breakdown. Did you watch this on Netflix? You should watch this on Netflix (and why) all while you smile politely and nod while inside you really couldn't give a shite what new shade of grey they're planning to paint their living room and wish they'd shut up with the stream of endless chatter so you could focus on what you're doing.
Oh the peace for the last 16 months has been wonderful!
It's probably fair to say that for some people, this small talk is their only social outlet.
That's kindof sad if you think about it, for these people getting back to the office is a way to avoid loneliness.
Yes, it is sad when you think about it.
But in the context of the thread, I nor anyone else should be asked to return WFO just because someone else is lonely and has no other social outlet.
Keeping my colleagues company is not part of my contract.
That's as sweeping a generalisation as saying people who favour working from home full time are work shy layabouts.
Agree 100% with this. I should not have pressure to go back to the office because others miss the social interaction
Speak for yourself. For me, small talk is often about work. Maybe it is about someone else's interesting project, or someone else's challenge dealing with a difficult person or difficult section, or who's going for/got promotion - I've often gotten and given useful information through small talk. The loss of this informal channel of communication will have a significant negative impact over time.
There are many benefits of remote working for some people. There are many negatives of remote working for some people.
There seems to be a bit of a Stockholm Syndrome situation that so many people have been effectively forced into difficult commutes that they'll agree with anything that gives them relief from this. This doesn't mean that WFH works for everybody.
There are certainly a bunch of people for whom WFH doesn't work.
I said some, not all!
So don't try the big brush response.
Yes, one of my colleagues couldn't wait to get back to the office, with all social activities curtailled, the office was the only place she could interract with others.
On the other hand, I have colleagues who seldom venture in and are quite happy to stay away, one is saving two hours a day by not travelling and the other is only 5 minutes away.
"speak for yourself"
Likewise, Andrew. 😏
So how do you get information about what's really going on in the organisation, which managers or projects to avoid, how things really get done, etc?
How do you build a relationship with a new person who you're not directly work with, but who may be able to contribute to your future projects IF you can get them interested?
How does a new person build a network of contacts who will help them when they cannot figure out how to do something, and their manager isn't available (or if they've got a useless manager)?
@Mrs OBumble I got a notification that you replied to my post, but as you are on my ignore list, I can't see or read anything you post. 🤐
Now, if they'd just bring in an "ignore this thread" feature that would be great.... 👍️
Multiple ways to do it. My company is fully remote and async since its inception and it has no problems at all with getting work done.
Who says you need to build a relationship with a new person? They are hired to do work, just as you are, so let them work. If you work closely, then set up daily cals with an agenda to make sure everything is on track.
Network of contacts you say? That is what Slack is for, you can contact anyone. Need more in-depth info? A zoom call.
The org are free to inform and tell its employees about the status and health of the company, very simple.
Very simple solutions to what you are trying to play devils advocate for, as there always is.
I made that fairly clear when I prefixed my comments with 'For me'. I'm not the one who came out with false generalisations, like "Small talk is never about work."
Your second comment, not your first. It could be said that your first comment is therefore, a false generalisation.
Enjoy your evening. :)
Why interact in person with other human beings at all really is that it ?
Ok some wfh advocates are work shy free loaders happy now?
I love WFH so far.
I started a new job 3 weeks ago, and all of the interview and on-boarding processes were done remotely. I did call into the office to collect my laptop. I hope this option for employees will remain, at least in some mixed format.
I would like to call in to the office and meet people one or two days a week. Maybe as time goes by I might get to dislike it, but for now it's great.
Hopefully, when I get to save some money, and things go back to more normal, I'd like to holiday somewhere local, and bring my laptop with me to work on.
I guess one downside for me is that I live in a tiny flat, and don't have dedicated space for a work area. Still, I do not miss the bus commute one bit. Long may it last!
you really need to get some new glasses, you can't read with the ones you have.
Such a deep burn 🤣
Have ever experienced your manager telling you "the company will do X", and a week later it does exactly the opposite?
It's quite common, and why you need informal networks.
Our office return has finally been confirmed as pushed back from September to November.
You can tell that they are eager to get us back but September is untenable given the delta situation, the lack of government advise and the risk of a spike of cases in September when schools and colleges return.
I know a US company that reopened, 3 people got Covid, including 1 that has now got hospitalised, and the whole office (shared airspace) had to re-shut down and large numbers self-isolate. Responsible employers can't risk this situation until the risk gets way lower.
If you're referring to my 'Speak for yourself' comment, this wasn't a generalisation. It was directed solely at you, and solely in response to the quoted tweet, where you came out with broad generalisations that apparently apply to everyone, all the time.
Have you really never had a chat with a colleague about a bad manager or a bad project?
Did you miss the part where clearly specified which comment of yours I was referring too?
Or was that deliberate, because you needed a reason to post at me again because you always have to be seen to have the last word?