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Biden/Harris Presidency Discussion Thread

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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 20,816 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    There is absolutely no way that will work, the GOP will make a huge deal out of executive overreach if he tries as well.


    The only way is soft back door deals, which I’m sure he’s trying.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 20,816 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?



    I do. The Veep isn’t anywhere near as important as you make it out as a position.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users Posts: 9,969 ✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Perhaps it's time for a change in approach. If the past decade hasn't demonstrated the failure of a backdoor approach, I don't know what would. Biden has already seen Obama's presidency wasted through Republican intransigence. He's making a huge mistake of he allows McConnell and Dem outliers to stymie the necessary reforms



  • Registered Users Posts: 710 ✭✭✭TefalBrain


    And visa versa. They are as bad as each other.



  • Registered Users Posts: 39,443 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    I wouldn’t say they are as bad as each other. The GOP as have been pointed out will just stop everything which the democrats don’t do. O the democrats have perfected the political circular firing squad. It’s rather impressive how the democrats can so easily nearly snatch defeat from the joys of Victory, which given their technical majority in the senate and very slim majority in the house, you’d think they’d have a united front but it’s not.



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 20,816 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Absolute nonsense.


    Only one party is full of bigots, climate change deniers and insurgency supporters.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,941 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Indeed; while it's perfectly fair to say that the American Two Party system is itself broken and that both parties work to keep each other in power - it's a huge stretch to say the actual, internal ideologies and beliefs of the parties are the same. The modern GOP has clearly and increasingly wedded itself further into the right, as well aggressively hostile towards various social issues like Climate Change, inclusiveness - or indeed, basic CoVid structures.



  • Registered Users Posts: 39,443 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Well you watch enough contemporary American news coverage from the 1980s and 1970s and yes between the GOP and dems there was obvious differences in how they believed the country should function but at least in my reading of, while they disagreed with how to do things, they did for the most part agree on a common set of universal facts. That as we can see in the era of trump is no more, because he and the GOP have told us that what they LITERALLY see with their own eyes in not in fact what we actually saw. The January 6th insurrection for example, now you can argue on issues of security failures but to try and pretend that the hours of video from both outside the US capitol and inside don’t show people forcibly entering a secure building and damaging it is ridiculous.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,238 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Editorial on CNN this week, on how Biden is now having a very bad week.

    Whether it is GOP stonewalling or internal Democrat bickering (and both are happening), the end result is the same. His approval rating is now below 50% and he has a slew of problems which aren't getting fixed. He has two choices. Either successfully deflect the blame, or fix the problems and get the credit.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,969 ✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I can't understand how the Democrats went into this new Administration determined to repeat all the failed ideas of bipartisanship. It's genuinely baffling. If they pass Electoral Reform, they likely guarantee a continued majority in the House, and likely the Senate too.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    The core of the Dem's current problem is that, while the did very well in Georgia, they failed to secure the overall Senate seats to command a working majority. Effectively, tbey hold 48 actual Dem seats plus two 'branded' Dem seats (Manchin & Sinema) and need the VP to push anything partisan over the line. Manchin & Sinema simply won't vote down the filibuster, so for the forseeable future, all Mitch et al need to do is run down the clock, block everything and await an extra seat in 2022. While Manchin & Sinema continue their pro- filibuster line, this Senate is only nominally Democratic and needs bi-partisanship to move anything on.


    I hate it, but that's the way it is!



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,969 ✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    The politics just don't add up for me. Manchin has said this is his last turn, and his WV seat will undoubtedly go Republican afterwards. Sinema is likey to lose her reelection bid imo, as she is going against the wishes of her electorate, and is in a historically Rep seat also.


    Other than doing their corporate bidding, I don't see the advantages to them of towing a Republican line. They're actively hurting their party and likely future electoral success



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,013 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Its assumed that their is others who are not keen on getting rid of the fillibuster but are content to keep their head down and let Sinema and Manchin take the flack.


    Sinema will be fine next time, she is running in a state which Trump despite running an abysmal campaign in barely lost so she clearly has a plan and its going to work.

    Manchin is rarely the deciding vote on anything, when he votes no on a Democrat policy, he knows the numbers aren't their no matter his vote. Sly old fox.


    https://twitter.com/HotlineJosh/status/1417840877188308994



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,238 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    I realise that this is a bit of an odd concept for modern politics, but is it possible that Manchin is doing this because it's what the people who voted for him want him to do it? As we have all observed, the voters of WV aren't exactly in lockstep with the Democrat party, regardless of the letter after the name of their Senate representatives.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,220 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    All is quiet on the western front since 20 January 2021. Unlike the daily noise that occurred during the 4 years prior. The banning of a particular person by several major social media platforms may account for a large drop in noise.

    There are still major problems to solve by the new administration and Congress, some of which have gone unsolved for decades. Only time will tell if the Biden-Harris team will make a difference.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,941 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    The reality is that while there are plenty of deficiencies within the Biden administration, it's all very pedestrian and boilerplate stuff for any given US government. No less important or controversial, but just not containing the almost pantomime and melodramatic levels of incompetence the Trump admin brought with each day. It was too easy to gawp as one read the headlines, punctuated with an exasperated "he did/said what??"



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,220 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    When elected in 2016, Trump was no longer the host of the so-called reality celebrity apprentice telly show. This was exchanged for the apprentice president show. Both exhibited drama and controversies. Trump frequently cast and pitted celebrities against each other during a tv season. And as apprentice president he continued to facilitate the drama and controversies between rival political parties and individuals.

    In comparison, the current Biden-Harris administration is a telly bore lacking in drama and controversies. Makes me wonder how many Americans miss the Trump entertainment, and how many will vote for him in 2024 accordingly?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 20,816 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    It makes absolute sense. The Democrats struggle to get 50 Senate seats. It’s far easier for the GOP to win a majority because most of the smaller states elect Republicans. Ending the filibuster is shooting themselves in the foot long term.


    The senate is ridiculous

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users Posts: 12,013 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Anything Trump did drew ratings thus non stop coverage of his **** tweets. Mainstream media can't replicate the same "magic" with Biden as he doesn't spend all his time on twitter screeching and tbh most mainstream media will take it easy on Biden because they lean to the left.

    They haven't totally given on the Trump train as they still give him plenty of coverage , and are secretly praying he runs in 2024 to keep their dying mediums alive. They tried to elevate MTG, Tucker and RDS to fill the Trump void but look at their ratings nobody cares anymore thankfully.

    Also think while Trump had a lot of friendly media platforms, the Dems have much more so they will go easy on Biden and the Dems.

    Genuinely don't think their is many platforms in America that pretend to offer balance, CNN used to for a long time, but have gave up up recently and are all in the MSNBC way.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,013 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    can't edit posts, what a **** site. 😎



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    The "manual" says that you have 24 hours during which you can edit a post by clicking on 3 dots to the upper right, on the top line of your post...

    But yes, very difficult to maintain interest in using this site now... Pity, as there have been some good discussions here over the years...



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,941 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Yes you can. It's the cog icon in the top right of mobile; the three dots / kebab menu in the right on desktop. You have 24 hours to edit the post



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,969 ✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    By not getting rid of the filibuster and passing Electoral Reform, they are virtually guaranteeing that the Republicans can profit from their disenfranchisement efforts. The Democrats continue to play right into McConnell's hands.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,941 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I get the American desire to pull out of a country it never had any real business being in in the first place; just from the US's perspective it was a massive drain on resources, and graveyard for its soldiers ... but it's hard not to look at the growing return of the Taliban and feel this could have been handled better by Biden. How I don't know but I wonder what the US were doing all this time that upon removal from the equation, Afghanisation immediately reverts to 20 years ago.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 20,816 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Again. That’s a battle to be won at state level. You need to focus your attention in the right direction.


    You consistently criticise the Dems for not doing things they can’t do.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 50,819 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    All the fingers and blame will be directed toward Biden for this but nobody will put the blame on the republicans who started this ridiculous war. I'm not sure what else Biden could do other than prolong the war. Afghanistan will inevitably end up back in Taliban hands and all that money and lives wasted will be on the republican's but they will blame Biden all the same.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,941 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Maybe: but internally, I doubt many Presidents have faced much criticism for pulling troops out and leaving a country to hang in the wind - bringing soldiers home tends to play well so long as it's not "retreat" - and the Afghan campaign never struck me as popular with Americans to begin with. What disappoints and frustrates, is that the troop removal made no apparent attempt to fill the remaining gap; a coalition of local allies maybe, while the ineptitude of the local forces begs the question: how much coordination was there between the US and Afghan armies? How was this Taliban resurgence even allowed to happen?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 50,819 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    ISIS can just call in international troops and they were sitting in Pakistan just waiting for the US to pull out. Afghanistan was always going to return to the Taliban as long as Pakistan was still supporting them. There's probably still a lot of local support for them.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,238 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    [quote] How was this Taliban resurgence even allowed to happen?[/quote]

    Two reasons.

    1) The Taliban don't play fair. When one side is asking nicely and maybe adding some quality of life improvements over the course of time, and the other side just strolls in and chop's someone's head off immediately, you can imagine which is going to get more attention. As the British Army's counterinsurgency manual observes, winning hearts and minds is not 'throwing candy to kids' as commonly observed, and what is considered the best counterinsurgency campaign, Malaya, was won by not being nice to the population. Or, to put it in Roosevelt's words, when you've got them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow. However, such techniques are not politically acceptable to today's western populations, but those populations similarly don't care enough to put in the resources necessary to prevent the head-chopping-off problem whilst playing nice. Who is winning in Syria, again? Oh, right, the mean guys.

    1b) Related to this last bit about populations, the lack of multi-national support (read Pakistan), and the lack of will by everyone else to do much about it.

    2) A unified, motivated opponent with a goal, vs a collection of tribes who don't care much about anything beyond their valley. The Afghan government failed because it didn't get buy-in from the populace, and because many of the members of the government organisations weren't too vested in it either. On the other hand, you have a large group of people with a shared ideal who know what they're actively trying to do.


    There are only three likely possibilities I can see.

    1) Foreign boots go back in on the ground. As the Taliban become bolder in their movements, they become much closer to the conventional fighting force that Western militaries are extremely good at dealing with. Bolster Afghan army forces who are now more concentrated.

    2) Afghan forces realise that if they don't win, they die, and sort themselves out, dealing with the Taliban themselves.

    3) Taliban win. The rest of the world doesn't care, as long as the Taliban leaves the rest of the world alone.

    I wouldn't place money for or against either of those three.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,969 ✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    There are state level initiatives needed for sure, but there's plenty that can be done at the federal level. Campaign finance reform. Anti-gerrymandering laws, public holidays for federal elections. HR1 had many of this provisions and more, waiting to be taken up by the Senate.



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