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Would you be happy for your children to receive covid-19 vaccine

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  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I presume you can back up that claim?

    It's mostly about getting the dose right



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Our cohort will take at most two weeks for shot 1 and 10 days for shot 2. Where the WHO do have a point is on the leap straight into boosters ;those without first shots in lower income countries are more needy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44 JEC


    Your presumption is correct, can you refute it?

    At a basic level go to your medicine cupboard or your local pharmacy and ask how many drugs they stock which are not recommended for use in under 12's. They are not recommended because safety has not been established. Safety has not been established due to the absence of sufficient research in the paediatric population or a the presence of a potential risk to a developing child.

    This does not mean that a child's response to a drug will differ significantly to that of an adult however it also does not mean it won't. This is why specific research in children is always necessary. If children were merely small adults then pharmaceutical companies would not have to supply extensive paediatric population research.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 123Dublin456


    I suppose it will just come down to virus or vaccine. It seems at the rate its going it just will be one or the other and even even vaccinated you may still get it at some stage but at least it won't affect you as badly. I would think most drugs are available in both forms but im not a pharmacist so I don't know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 123Dublin456


    The question is always would you rather a new virus or a new vaccine.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    I'm a simple man and this is how I view the choices that we have. It's either get vaccinated by covid or get vaccinated by a vaccine.

    People choosing the covid route are doing so on the assumption that covid is harmless to kids and that the vaccine is new. I could understand that if covid was harmless to kids and we had long term data to show that but we don't. We have 18 months or so of it and most of that is for the earlier variants. And of the data that we do have, it doesn't show that covid is harmless which isn't all that surprising because covid doesn't give a shít.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18 Johnlynch1970


    he's 12 years old mate i dont think he's in a postion to choose, anyway i mentioned it to him and he said he doesnt want it.



  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I think for about the 1000th time on the thread, they won’t be approved without safety data, and the reason many drugs are not approved for kids is because there is no market. Statins are not a major market for 9 year olds.

    And safety is established through testing and safety requirements were met for approval in all groups over 12 and there is nothing in any data to suggest this will be different in under 12s.

    The main reason for the cma was used was because long term efficacy could not be established and there was a pressing need. The trial with original subjects is continuing to establish the level of long term efficacy. The extremely rare events such as myocarditis and cvst were picked up an actioned as part of enhanced monitoring as part of the cma process. All significant post vaccination symptoms were within a short period of the jab. 12 months since trials started and 8 months post mass vaccination there are no reports of long term effects not detected shortly after vaccination from billions of doses. Yet this thread is all about the spectre of long term damage and building fear based irrational assessment of risk



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,454 ✭✭✭blackcard


    Pfizer and Moderna are carrying out widespread testing of vaccines on 5 - 12 year olds and expect it to be completed by September, I think the odds are that it will get approval



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,246 ✭✭✭Del Griffith




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,355 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    Careful now. Next you'll be telling us asymptomatic transmission is possible!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Even the EMA consider it a pragmatic approach for medicines and treatments for an unmet need, where the benefit outweighs the risk of not having fully comprehensive data. That has been satisfied so far with the vaccines. They also list a pandemic as such an occasion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 857 ✭✭✭PintOfView


    Interesting information. Why don't we all concentrate on uncovering reality, and the facts, here, and less of the one-upmanship?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,246 ✭✭✭Del Griffith


    I don't disagree at all, Covid is dangerous, the vaccines are considerably less so, hence I got vaccinated.

    Certain posters deny the part about the risk of not having fully comprehensive data though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,246 ✭✭✭Del Griffith


    Has anyone posted that though? Not that I've seen. Although you wouldn't know it from the bizarre and deliberately misleading replies to claims that were never made.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,511 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    A quick skim of your quickly found links suggests that they do NOT support your conclusion. For example, from the msn.com link

    Although the Covid jabs appears to reduce an individual’s overall risk of catching Delta in the first place, if infected there appears to be “limited difference” in the viral load between the vaccinated and unvaccinated...Peter Openshaw, a professor of Experimental Medicine at Imperial College London...highlighted research which shows that the virus disappears faster in most people who have been vaccinated. “So the window for transmission may be narrower,” he said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,246 ✭✭✭Del Griffith


    God almighty.. denial is more than just a river in Egypt.

    "LONDON, Aug 6 (Reuters) - There are early signs that people who have been vaccinated against COVID-19 may be able to transmit the Delta variant of the virus as easily as those who have not, scientists at Public Health England (PHE) said on Friday.

    The findings chime with those from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which last week raised concerns that vaccinated people infected with Delta could, unlike with other variants, readily transmit it" - REUTERS.

    How much more clearer can it be???

    As for the bit you cherrypicked, the reference the guy from Imperial College London is making is to a completely different report to the research I was referring (and provided links to). I also already noted that one in my original post if you read it again ("Previous earlier studies have also had different conclusions.")



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,511 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    @Del Griffith wrote

    How much more clearer can it be???

    You're continuing to ignore the distinction between people vaccinated and people vaccinated who are also infected, and the distinction between having a particular viral load at the point of a PCR test (a point on the curve) and the overall amount of virus shed into the environment (the area under the curve, i.e. transmission risk).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,484 ✭✭✭bladespin


    Wow, think you’re the special one here, what a vile comment! Maybe backup a tad and read my posts before throwing abuse at me, my kids will be getting vaccinated, their choice.


    I'll ask again, what qualifies you to dictate what anyone should do? Every parent has a choice to make here and it's not simple, whatever my kids are, they're way more important to the world than your self inflated ego ever will be, back in your box.

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  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It may help of you read your sources

    "Fully vaccinated people with Delta variant breakthrough infections can spread the virus to others. However, vaccinated people appear to be infectious for a shorter period: Previous variants typically produced less virus in the body of infected fully vaccinated people (breakthrough infections) than in unvaccinated people. In contrast, the Delta variant seems to produce the same high amount of virus in both unvaccinated and fully vaccinated people. However, like other variants, the amount of virus produced by Delta breakthrough infections in fully vaccinated people also goes down faster than infections in unvaccinated people. This means fully vaccinated people are likely infectious for less time than unvaccinated people."

    CDC stating that the amount of virus produced in those fully vaccinated goes down faster and that this is associated with "breakthrough infections". Eg - not in those in whom the vaccine prevents infection



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,892 ✭✭✭the kelt


    So should a fully vaccinated person who is in a house with someone COVID positive be isolating then??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 580 ✭✭✭chrisd2019


    Yes would have no hesitation what so ever in giving it to my 7 YO, indeed I would administer it myself!

    Why would I hesitate, It has had no ill effects on myself!

    Time to move on with life & put all this COVID business in history.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,175 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    For all the anti vaxers bluff and bluster the vaccine's are working. Even though society is fairly open and we have a fairly vigorous varient hospitalisation and ICU figures are staying fairly steady. While we may have a small bit of vaccine breakthrough it is not a serious issue. Cases took a rise last weekend but have steadied a dipped.

    Yes we still have to be careful and wear masks in certain places but the R number is fairly steady. Most medical issues with vaccines are now known so doctors and ordinary people know what to watch out for. It a matter for f still adhering to safety and hygiene rules.

    It's important that we still keep vaccinating as many as possible. We are not like other countries where the anti vaxers propaganda has discouraged large numbers from the vaccine. These countries are not starting to use subtle and not so subtle enforcement measures.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,246 ✭✭✭Del Griffith


    In summary: replies to posts that were never made, answers to questions that were never asked, and a load of beside-the-point off topic regurgitated puke about vaccines that everyone knows, no one disagrees with, and has nothing to do with vaccinating children or related topics being discussed in this thread.

    Thank you for your contribution.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,246 ✭✭✭Del Griffith


    Yes - (with Delta especially according to early indicators) you're at high risk of infection and passing transmission.

    Luckily vaccines do work so symptoms if any should be negligible. Like as if you were a child actually.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 956 ✭✭✭Poncke


    A lot of comments saying they don' need it, but we are happy to give them DTP and BMR, which no child needs either. Some of those diseases don't even exist anymore, yet we vaccinate our children against them.

    But let me be clear, myself had numerous vaccines as a child and whilst serving in the army prepping for missions abroad. And my kids have had all possible vaccinations as well. I am all for vaccinating. Just don't get the fear for the Covid vaccines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,892 ✭✭✭the kelt




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,182 ✭✭✭spaceHopper


    This is something that drives me mad the communication from the government has been poor and confusing, recommendations, and guide lines and laws all confused.

    If you are a close contact you should restrict your movements that meas stay at home except of a walk on your own or another house hold member. You don't go to work, shops....


    Self isolate means go to one room and don't leave it except to go to toilet....


    Anyway what has that got to do with vaccinating children?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,209 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    A fully vaccinated person who is a close contact of a positive case is not required to restrict their movements, unless they are high risk for breakthrough infection.

    Because being vaccinated greatly reduces your chances of contracting the virus or passing it on to anyone else.



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