Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

I don't think allowing a certain level of the virus to circulate is part of our official strategy here in Ireland. I stand to be corrected on that but as far as I can see that is not the case. I can't find the post but I think @Goldengirl said that the policy was to prevent the virus becoming endemic.

This green pass 'strategy' tends to ignore the fact that museums are public property, not government property. Public art collections do not belong to vaccinated people exclusively, and the works weren't donated by painters and private collectors so as to one day be used as a bargaining chip in a medical intervention program.

Apparently this vaccination program will be another futile exercise, performed on a healthy population, to simply fund the pharma companies and fuel the fear on the masses.

COVID-19: Delta infections may produce similar virus levels regardless of vaccination status, early analysis suggests | UK News | Sky News

Public Health England's (PHE) said initial findings suggested "levels of virus in those who become infected with Delta having already been vaccinated may be similar to levels found in unvaccinated people".

"This may have implications for people's infectiousness, whether they have been vaccinated or not," it added.

But he said if the findings are confirmed, it could have" huge implications for transmissibility" as "data has consistently shown the vaccine slows down and should, effectively, stop the spread of the virus".

"But if the vaccine only blocks transmission by, say, 50% you'll never get herd immunity even with a 100% vaccine uptake."

Of recent admissions for the virus, 808 (55.1%) were unvaccinated, while 512 (34.9%) had received both doses of a vaccine, said PHE.

An update on a recent "variant under investigation" was also given by PHE. VUI-21JUL-01, or B.1.621, was flagged up by the health body on 21 July after apparently spreading to several countries and also producing mutations.

"There is preliminary laboratory evidence to suggest that vaccination and previous infection may be less effective at preventing infection with VUI-21JUL-01," said PHE.

It's never ending

So why the need for vaccine passports in that case? If you are unvaccinated and choose to go to a bar or whatever, that's on you. The whole point about protecting others is moot.

Also, I'm old enough to remember when they were supposed to stop transmission. Yes, they said that

“Vaccinated people do not carry the virus – they don’t get sick,” Dr. Rochelle Walensky, director of the CDC, told MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow on Tuesday. That’s “not just in the clinical trials, but it’s also in real world data.”

And no it's not because of the Delta variant. The trials weren't set up in such a way or conducted for long enough to show what the CDC director claims in the above quote. They were just lying. And then they went and vaccinated most of the control group so the trial is useless anyway

That's called covid ass covering.

And how long is short term? We have restrictions since march 2020 and that was only for a couple of weeks to flatten the curve. This needs to end and all restrictions lifted and let people make up their own minds as to what risks they want to take without being judged or labelled.

'Whereas your post ignores the fact that anyone who wishes can visit a museum'

'I presume you are talking about other countries.'

Yes I'm talking about Italy, sorry if that was unclear. They call their passport the 'green pass'.

'Their aim is to push up vaccination rates that are low or have stalled. It's not a particularly desirable choice but there are bigger things at stake and it is working. Even so, they should be quite short term.'

We don't have any experience with banishing people from society, temporarily or permanently, so its uncharted territory. What we find with all the restrictions is that there are always ostensibly plausible reasons given to extend them. If you make some kind of ultra-precautionary principle the standard, it is very easy to make any restriction (including internal passports) perpetual.

I was making the point that not all the works in these museums are 'owned' by the government. They belong in many cases to (all of) the people.

I have. At our own rugby club. The covid "officer" enjoyed his little power trip greatly.

It's eased up in the last couple of months. Think he was nudged aside. But there was a general attitude for a while of "it won't be seen to happen here". There was a heavy performance element to it.

As a country, we seem to implement things temporarily and then they become permanent. It's fair for anyone to question this "temporary" stuff based on previous behaviour from our government.