Cycle infrastructure planned for south Dublin

Obviously I'm not suggesting it ever be. Turning movements and transitions of all road users should be facilitated defensively by all road users. It will always be a necessity.

That's not possible with many cycle lanes.

I asked that before. Everyone hid when it is mentioned. It is an income for someone and therefore must be declared.

How do you think networks get built? You start in the easier places and then fill in the gaps. You seem to have it in for every cycle track. I’m sure even if we had similar to the Netherlands you’d complain. There are awful roads around the country that people never asked for, should we dig them up too? To be consistent your answer should be ‘yes’?

The speedsters that are killing and maiming millions of motorists each day wouldn’t necessarily be well arm-ed.

You don't think the M50 is used for the vast majority of cross city journeys that don't involve an intermediate stop?

When it was conceived, the M50 was intended to be a City bypass for Dublin, not a city Commuter route that it also now is.

So to take your black and white logic to its conclusion, you should in fact be advocating to take all commuting off the M50 and back onto the regional roads inside the M50 ring. Be careful what you wish for, as they say.

No. Yes. Maybe?

Of course not, but consider it in these terms instead. Why would a pedestrian with a nice wide, even footpath walk on the road? It makes no sense that they would. Likewise with cycling, it should make no sense for cyclists not to use good infrastructure where it exists. You're calling for good infrastructure and for the freedom not to use it. I mean, sure, fine, go for your life but it's an odd contradiction. All road use by all road users is an element of being dictated to, its just the nature of a rules based system.

If truly 'good' infrastructure is built, there should be no need to mandate its use. When driving from Galway to Dublin, nobody is mandated to use the motorway - in fact they pay for the privilege - and yet because it's the fastest safest route between A and B, nearly everyone uses it. Those who don't have their reasons - they need to make a stop elsewhere, they want to enjoy a more scenic route, etc.

Cycling infrastructure should be treated the exact same - so fast and safe that you use it by default, not by law.

Thats a false equivalence and anyone with an ounce of intelligence can see it. Pretty poor stuff there buffalo

I'm ambivalent about Keegan, but College Green (and Strand Road) were about prioritising other modes of transport, and giving people safer options. Seems like you're criticising for trying to make the changes that make other options more viable, while at the same time saying he's not doing enough to make other modes more viable?

Apologies for posting this if it has been mentioned before. It seems to be just fully opened now.

I'm all for using the bike lanes instead of the road as I feel it is far safer. However the new cycle lane going from Sandyford to Goatstown direction has now added six separate pedestrian/bike crossings to my journey. Six times within 900m I have to stop and press the button, wait for the green man. I stick to the bike lane but it's just an example of poor infrastructure.

This example for me is what leads to arguments between cyclists and motorists about using/not using the bike lane. I can see both sides of the argument - car drivers see the investment in all these lanes but perhaps don't see the effectiveness of the cycling infrastructure.

Key: Red is a pedestrian crossing.

Note: About 200m of a two lane bike lane is on the Audi Garage/Beacon hospital side of the Drummartin link road and stops just after the Beacon Hospital junction, so you have to cross back again to the other side of the road to head towards Goatstown direction.