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Cycle infrastructure planned for south Dublin

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,323 ✭✭✭ Macy0161


    Done, as all three potentially part of my commute if/ when back in the office!


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,727 ✭✭✭ Planet X


    Done.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,957 ✭✭✭ Seaswimmer


    I live in the area and the local business group have commissioned a report to try and stop the one way piece on Deansgrange Road. It is a 45 page report and towards the end they offer 4 alternative routes for cycling instead of the dual cycleway beside the cemetery. They obviously never spoke to anyone using a bike. All their suggestions have long diversions, hills, multiple crossing points and right turns. It actually reminds me of the way DLR used to design cycle lanes. it would be laughable if it wasn't put together by so called transport consultants.

    https://www.dropbox.com/preview/%20DVBG%20Active%20School%20Travel%20Submission%20v1.5.pdf?role=personal


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,046 ✭✭✭ daragh_


    Seaswimmer wrote: »
    I live in the area and the local business group have commissioned a report to try and stop the one way piece on Deansgrange Road. It is a 45 page report and towards the end they offer 4 alternative routes for cycling instead of the dual cycleway beside the cemetery. They obviously never spoke to anyone using a bike. All their suggestions have long diversions, hills, multiple crossing points and right turns. It actually reminds me of the way DLR used to design cycle lanes. it would be laughable if it wasn't put together by so called transport consultants.

    Is that available online?


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 32,817 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Seth Brundle


    Seaswimmer wrote: »
    I live in the area and the local business group have commissioned a report to try and stop the one way piece on Deansgrange Road. It is a 45 page report and towards the end they offer 4 alternative routes for cycling instead of the dual cycleway beside the cemetery. They obviously never spoke to anyone using a bike. All their suggestions have long diversions, hills, multiple crossing points and right turns. It actually reminds me of the way DLR used to design cycle lanes. it would be laughable if it wasn't put together by so called transport consultants.

    https://www.dropbox.com/preview/%20DVBG%20Active%20School%20Travel%20Submission%20v1.5.pdf?role=personal

    I have no idea who the transport consultants were but I assume that as they weren't independent, they were commissioned to find any alternative routes so that cyclists wouldn't be in the way of drivers being victimised by the council on the Deansgrange Rd.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,957 ✭✭✭ Seaswimmer


    daragh_ wrote: »
    Is that available online?

    no. I put up a link but not sure can you access it on Dropbox... it is too big to attach (9mb)


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,461 ✭✭✭✭ AndrewJRenko


    Seaswimmer wrote: »
    I live in the area and the local business group have commissioned a report to try and stop the one way piece on Deansgrange Road. It is a 45 page report and towards the end they offer 4 alternative routes for cycling instead of the dual cycleway beside the cemetery. They obviously never spoke to anyone using a bike. All their suggestions have long diversions, hills, multiple crossing points and right turns. It actually reminds me of the way DLR used to design cycle lanes. it would be laughable if it wasn't put together by so called transport consultants.

    https://www.dropbox.com/preview/%20DVBG%20Active%20School%20Travel%20Submission%20v1.5.pdf?role=personal


    Thanks, is there an option to make it available without requiring a Dropbox account please?

    A very small number of businesses in Deans Grange (as far as I can see, two businesses) have these posters up;

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    What group is behind the consultancy report?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 6,456 Mod ✭✭✭✭ eeeee


    Thanks, is there an option to make it available without requiring a Dropbox account please?

    A very small number of businesses in Deans Grange (as far as I can see, two businesses)

    What group is behind the consultancy report?

    Which businesses?


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,461 ✭✭✭✭ AndrewJRenko


    eeeee wrote: »
    Which businesses?

    From what I could see it was the two adjacent takeaways - Saba and Tiger Pizza. I didn't see any others with the poster up.


  • Registered Users Posts: 718 ✭✭✭ Alias G


    From what I could see it was the two adjacent takeaways - Saba and Tiger Pizza. I didn't see any others with the poster up.

    Last time I give my business to either of those establishments so.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,957 ✭✭✭ Seaswimmer


    From what I could see it was the two adjacent takeaways - Saba and Tiger Pizza. I didn't see any others with the poster up.

    Most of the businesses have it. Some with huge big posters and other with small A4 type. The business group claim there is over 30 businesses in the area all against the proposal.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,957 ✭✭✭ Seaswimmer


    Thanks, is there an option to make it available without requiring a Dropbox account please?

    A very small number of businesses in Deans Grange (as far as I can see, two businesses) have these posters up;

    123561377_10221207273425963_8891682228080477525_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=2&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=hQaQTJv6orQAX_X9sS2&_nc_ht=scontent-dub4-1.xx&oh=2159ab0f310f5f10c09bd8ed338c5baa&oe=5FC9740F

    What group is behind the consultancy report?

    I am not sure. it is too big to attach as a pdf and it is not online so I cant forward a link.

    This is the organisation that produced the report.

    https://transportinsights.com/case-studies/

    and a group called the Deansgrange Business Group commissioned it..


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,461 ✭✭✭✭ AndrewJRenko


    Seaswimmer wrote: »
    Most of the businesses have it. Some with huge big posters and other with small A4 type. The business group claim there is over 30 businesses in the area all against the proposal.

    Strange though that the name of the business group isn't on the posters? I'll have to take a closer look, as I could only see the posters on the two businesses I mentioned. Can you mention any specific businesses that definitely have it?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,957 ✭✭✭ Seaswimmer


    Strange though that the name of the business group isn't on the posters? I'll have to take a closer look, as I could only see the posters on the two businesses I mentioned. Can you mention any specific businesses that definitely have it?

    Fellinis the restaurant across the road have a smaller version, the Grange pharmacy definitely have one. I will be over in the morning to SuperValu so I will have a closer look along that row..Didnt see one on the Grange pub..Probably because they know I cycle and if I stop going there they will have to let a barman go:):)


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 6,456 Mod ✭✭✭✭ eeeee


    Seaswimmer wrote: »
    Most of the businesses have it. Some with huge big posters and other with small A4 type. The business group claim there is over 30 businesses in the area all against the proposal.

    Fcuk sake.
    Is the boycott list anywhere?


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 32,817 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Seth Brundle


    Over in Templeogue, the council have come up with the idea of not adopting bus lanes and the removal of the existing cycle lanes to enable more parking...

    https://twitter.com/DublinCommuters/status/1325749299469225987


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,957 ✭✭✭ Seaswimmer


    Seaswimmer wrote: »
    Fellinis the restaurant across the road have a smaller version, the Grange pharmacy definitely have one. I will be over in the morning to SuperValu so I will have a closer look along that row..Didnt see one on the Grange pub..Probably because they know I cycle and if I stop going there they will have to let a barman go:):)

    Had a walk around the area today and I am a bit more encouraged. It seems like Saba, Tiger Pizza and the Grange pharmacy are the only businesses with the big (A1?) posters. Newsagents, FXB, Fellinis all have very small (A5?) versions.
    But Pure pharmacy, new flower shop,SuperValu, Liberos, the Grange, Insomnia, dry cleaners, Wardrobe shop all have none at present. None of the car dealerships appear to have them either.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,366 Mod ✭✭✭✭ magicbastarder


    interesting, in malahide during the new street pedestrianisation fuss, there seemed to be a clear line between which outlets had the posters and which didn't; any shops part of a larger organisation didn't have them, and the 'one off' shops did.


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 32,817 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Seth Brundle


    Allegedly, a pharmacy in Dundrun [sic] is opposed to the new measures that will help improve people's health...

    https://twitter.com/OConnorOisin/status/1327168148303458306


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,957 ✭✭✭ Seaswimmer


    Good Afternoon,

    Council Officials have provided an update on their recent public engagement process for the proposed new cycle routes.

    According to officials, 5,978 submissions were received via their Citizen’s Space consultation hub, letter, email and other platforms. 5,454 submissions were received via the Citizen’s Space consultation hub alone. Officials are currently reviewing and validating all submissions.

    This is an unprecedented volume of submissions for a dlr public engagement process and demonstrates the extremely high level of public interest in these proposals. Officials state that it will take a number of weeks to review and consider the submissions, at which stage they will prepare a report on the project which will:

    Record and summarise the submissions received and issues raised.
    Include the Executive’s responses to issues raised.
    Set out the Executive’s recommendations and conclusions with respect to Phase 1 of the public engagement and the overall project.
    They then propose to organise an online briefing for Councillors in early December. Updates on the project will be posted here.

    If you have any feedback for your local Councillors you can contact them at [email protected] or individually, details here.

    Thank you to the many residents and business people who were in contact since my online public meeting. I incorporated the feedback into my own submission, which I have attached.

    I hope you are well otherwise, if I can be of any assistance please let me know,

    Is mise le meas,

    Cormac


    Cormac Devlin TD
    Dun Laoghaire


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,957 ✭✭✭ Seaswimmer


    Seaswimmer wrote: »
    Good Afternoon,

    Council Officials have provided an update on their recent public engagement process for the proposed new cycle routes.

    According to officials, 5,978 submissions were received via their Citizen’s Space consultation hub, letter, email and other platforms. 5,454 submissions were received via the Citizen’s Space consultation hub alone. Officials are currently reviewing and validating all submissions.

    This is an unprecedented volume of submissions for a dlr public engagement process and demonstrates the extremely high level of public interest in these proposals. Officials state that it will take a number of weeks to review and consider the submissions, at which stage they will prepare a report on the project which will:

    Record and summarise the submissions received and issues raised.
    Include the Executive’s responses to issues raised.
    Set out the Executive’s recommendations and conclusions with respect to Phase 1 of the public engagement and the overall project.
    They then propose to organise an online briefing for Councillors in early December. Updates on the project will be posted here.

    If you have any feedback for your local Councillors you can contact them at [email protected] or individually, details here.

    Thank you to the many residents and business people who were in contact since my online public meeting. I incorporated the feedback into my own submission, which I have attached.

    I hope you are well otherwise, if I can be of any assistance please let me know,

    Is mise le meas,

    Cormac


    Cormac Devlin TD
    Dun Laoghaire


    Cormac Devlin submission attached.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭ cletus


    Just to play devils advocate a little bit, when I worked in retail, it was common enough to have people coming in to ask could they put a poster in the window. Very often the (usually part time) staff member just said fire away. This was less likely to happen in a 'franchise' or similar chain store, as there was generally a rule from head office about it.

    Could be way out of course, but worth considering


  • Registered Users Posts: 777 ✭✭✭ sy_flembeck


    cletus wrote: »
    Just to play devils advocate a little bit, when I worked in retail, it was common enough to have people coming in to ask could they put a poster in the window. Very often the (usually part time) staff member just said fire away. This was less likely to happen in a 'franchise' or similar chain store, as there was generally a rule from head office about it.

    Could be way out of course, but worth considering

    A fair point but you'd hope a person in authority, on next entering the shop, would have removed same if they wished.

    These business people took out a sponsored page on Facebook which I kept an eye on - and the responses were far from supportive of their cause in a lot of cases. In fact, a lot of the complainants were the usual suspects from the local forum wo blame cyclist if it rains.

    From my reading of the opening statement - and I read it several times to be sure I wasn't misreading it - the owner of Tiger Pizza or said they were in favour of cycle safety - but not at the expense of jobs! Whatever the exact wording I was disgusted with it.

    I'm glad another poster said the car dealers don't have these posters up as I have a car ordered in one of them for January. Perhaps they realise on which side their bread is buttered.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,046 ✭✭✭ daragh_


    Interesting point in Cormac Devlin's submission about deliveries to the the 3 Car Dealerships along Deansgrange Road. There will have to be some flexibility to allow for access and delivery.

    I live off Pottery Road which isn't far away. We are constantly reporting the Car Hire Companies on Pottery Road for using the bike lanes as temporary parking and fleet storage. In fairness Cormac Devlin has been have been quick to respond to communication around this - as has Ossian Smyth - but it's an ongoing issue.

    I think the point about increased levels of traffic up Kill Lane to Baker's Corner and down Abbey Road is legitimate. Abbey Road at that junction is a real pinch point at rush hour. The Bus Stop just after the lights interferes with the flow of traffic with backup traffic waiting to get past a stopped bus cascading back across the two previous sets of lights. Not great for the flow of bikes either - particularly sketchy for kids cycling towards Rockford and Newpark.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,957 ✭✭✭ Seaswimmer


    A fair point but you'd hope a person in authority, on next entering the shop, would have removed same if they wished.

    These business people took out a sponsored page on Facebook which I kept an eye on - and the responses were far from supportive of their cause in a lot of cases. In fact, a lot of the complainants were the usual suspects from the local forum wo blame cyclist if it rains.

    From my reading of the opening statement - and I read it several times to be sure I wasn't misreading it - the owner of Tiger Pizza or said they were in favour of cycle safety - but not at the expense of jobs! Whatever the exact wording I was disgusted with it.

    I'm glad another poster said the car dealers don't have these posters up as I have a car ordered in one of them for January. Perhaps they realise on which side their bread is buttered.

    they also claim in the consultants report that a lot of their business comes from areas north of their take away (Springhill, Rowanbryn, fintans, ect) and that they now face a long detour to deliver here. This area is no more than 1km from their shop along Deansgrange road. Surely electric bikes (or even normal bikes) could do these trips and be able to travel both ways on the cycle lane much quicker than cars or motorbikes. I am not sure anyway supporting a business making hundreds of delivery trips (by their own admission) in small, old cars is sustainable. I personally wouldn't use them for this reason alone.


  • Registered Users Posts: 777 ✭✭✭ sy_flembeck


    Seaswimmer wrote: »
    they also claim in the consultants report that a lot of their business comes from areas north of their take away (Springhill, Rowanbryn, fintans, ect) and that they now face a long detour to deliver here. This area is no more than 1km from their shop along Deansgrange road. Surely electric bikes (or even normal bikes) could do these trips and be able to travel both ways on the cycle lane much quicker than cars or motorbikes. I am not sure anyway supporting a business making hundreds of delivery trips (by their own admission) in small, old cars is sustainable. I personally wouldn't use them for this reason alone.

    Indeed. They may have heard of a little known company who have made a packet doing just that


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,822 ✭✭✭ buffalo


    SoDuCoCo are having a public consultation on some plans: https://consult.sdublincoco.ie/en/consultation/cysd-cycle-south-dublin-programme-work

    PDF of proposals: https://consult.sdublincoco.ie/en/consultation/cysd-cycle-south-dublin-programme-work

    First thought... maybe there are existing cycle tracks between all those sections, but it looks like they aren't planning for a proper network even in the long term?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,617 ✭✭✭ jay0109


    These proposed cycle routes in DLR featured a Primetime report last night on RTE. It was the last item of the 3 on the show.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,117 ✭✭✭ Grassey


    buffalo wrote:
    First thought... maybe there are existing cycle tracks between all those sections, but it looks like they aren't planning for a proper network even in the long term?


    You need to look at page 22 of the booklet to see it overlaid on the existing network. It does go a long way to join up the disparate sections. Though I've noticed some existing tracks missing from the map, And others near me included that don't meet their 'safe routes' criteria.

    https://consult.sdublincoco.ie/en/system/files/materials/5579/66774%20SDCC%20Cycle%20Draft%20Strategy%20A4%20Landscape.pdf


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,822 ✭✭✭ buffalo


    Grassey wrote: »
    You need to look at page 22 of the booklet to see it overlaid on the existing network. It does go a long way to join up the disparate sections. Though I've noticed some existing tracks missing from the map, And others near me included that don't meet their 'safe routes' criteria.

    https://consult.sdublincoco.ie/en/system/files/materials/5579/66774%20SDCC%20Cycle%20Draft%20Strategy%20A4%20Landscape.pdf

    Thanks for that - bit disappointing, as many of those that I've used are painted without any kind of segregation or safety features. Exceptions are the N4 and the newer big ring roads.

    It'll be great to get that pinch point on the N81 beyond Jobstown sorted.


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