Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

What so unvaccinated have to wear a mask yet the unvaccinated who can catch Covid and pass it on to others don't ?

Well, I've had my first dose. Waiting on the second. Wife got her first a few days ago and was hesitant due to clot/stroke issues running in both sides of her family which is understandable.

Now I'm out and about for the first time in a while and the amount of people who aren't even making an effort to distance or not wearing masks is quite jarring.

I can't tell if it's ignorance or selfishness. Like it can still spread, even amongst vaccinated. There are plenty of people who still haven't or can't be vaccinated. It's early doors yet in terms of seeing longer term effectiveness so this blaise approach and general ignorance could easily end up with having another Halloween or Christmas in some form of lockdown.

As they likely pump themselves with alcohol and takeaway food a few times a week lol

Not at all, in fact many were saying the numbers projected were ludicrous exactly because of our vaccine program. Cases have plateaued for the past 3 weeks or so and ICU, hospitalisations and deaths are way below what the "models suggested.

If you've a beef with people thinking the vaccine would have no impact go take it up with those suggesting it, ie. NPHET and their modelling group.

Not really once you actually stop and think and see that it's the "where" not the "what".

In relation to the live music vs GAA debate. How about a Super Bowl style Half time show at the All Ireland finals this year?

I thought we were up near 90% of adults vaccinated. If that's the case, you've nothing to worry about. I've had Covid. I'm not getting the vaccine as there's no point now.

Are inspectors actually checking places?

I have been in a good few of the local pubs and they aren't bothering with it.

There will be a few sacrificial lambs caught for Tony, so nobody actually wants to be the unlucky spot thrown to the mob.

If you really cared about children (under 18s) you would argue for no further restrictions based on the number of adults vaccinated at this stage. Remember, not vaccinating children makes no material difference to the hospitalisation numbers for Covid and has 0 difference to their mortality risk. It is only adults being vaccinated that should matter for restrictions and based on the hospitalisations and negligible deaths the last few months notwithstanding 1000+ cases per day, it is impossible to argue in good faith for any mroe restrictions; it is anti-science and, what's worse, a kick in the face to children to continue to deny them a normal life.

Before we even had vaccines, suicide had a mortality rate which was three times higher than that of covid for under 40s. Before vaccines. Mental health of course doesn't matter because old people only care about themselves and covid is not at all a young person's illness. It's a disgrace but unsurprising based on how the older generations treat the younger ones (ie under 40s).

whos the old people or the young ? seems many cant distinguish between muppets in power acting what way they want wind to blow, and in reality theres no young or old, just few muppets at the top that get to pick what rest of us have to do, so allocating blame to particular group is useless, specially now plenty people due to prolonged exposure to these measures that lost their marbles and would take any measures as granted.

You are required to carry your driving licence with you at all times when driving. Unlike the Covid passport not doing so is punishable by fines and penalty points. Is having to carry a driving licence not "unfreedom" as well ?

Evening charlie.

No it is not, and the invocation of seatbelt laws and the like show deep confusion about different levels of state intervention and their appropriateness imo.

Yes a state can and must authoritatively discriminate to some extent but if we treat this function as 100% relativistic and absolute then we have no basis on which to say that we are superior to, for instance, North Korea. After all the North Korean government make laws, and these laws are enforced are they not? So no problem right?

There are rights and traditions in the Western world, or used to be. You have or had a certain amount of privacy, freedom and spiritual independence. An internal passport system, like in the Soviet Union or Nazi-conquered countries, falls outside of that. Barring people from transacting business with each other falls outside of that - and without QE allowing governments to detach economic productivity from survival, and bribe pub/restaurant owners with subsidies, they would not be able to dictate terms in this way.

I think it was on this thread, at least it was this forum, where some poster asked 'What right do you have to go to the gym?' That says it all.

Even when we had a colonial government before 1922, it wasn't the case that everything you did was at the pleasure of masters. Most freedom is purely positive: you just can do anything that isn't explicitly illegal. And outside of Communism, and now the QE system, basic business transactions between people were not extraordinary nor interfered with.

'Emergencies', 'crises' are needed to justify these all impositions. QE itself came about because of the last 'crisis', and is the perfect monetary system for financing many more 'crises'. If we discover next year we have a 'climate emergency' of models showing excess CO2 the economic anti-gravity machine of QE will fund a shutdown or total up-ending of everything.