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Cycle infrastructure planned for south Dublin

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  • Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Likewise. My job is based on people driving and crashing cars, more or less, and the lousy standard of driving in Ireland thankfully keeps me busy but even I, whose mortgage depends on people driving on the roads, can see the era of cars dominating cities is coming to an end. it doesn't really matter if it's next year or a decade's time but private cars are going to be phased out of inner-city transport. The map posted a few pages back already shows it is happening. In my sector of the legal industry we see the end of private car ownership and autonomous cars as almost an existential to us so by rights I should be against the cycleway but the war is lost, imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    When did the plan to close Strand Rd to northbound traffic emerge?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Why wouldnt posters argue about something personal to themselves.

    Installing a bike lane on Strand Road will inconvenience motorists all over South Dublin. Thats personal to me so I am not going to put the interests of someone who wants this cycle lane before my need to get from A to B.

    I was almost knocked off my bike last night because I didnt get off it to press a pedestrian button and wait for lights to change, it was late and I couldnt be bothered.A car turned left without indicating and I couldnt get into the cycle lane because of the kerb.

    Yes, my fault as well as driver for not indicating but if that empty cycling lane wasnt there this incident wouldnt have happened.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,908 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    I've been using the new-build infrastructure with a 2.5m long cargo bike weighing 40kg or so, with two kids in it, and I'm not having any of the difficulties manoeuvring round it that you seem to be having.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,280 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    But surely we should be inconveniencing motorists and taking road space away from them if we want to shift to more efficient sustainable means of transport in Dublin, no?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    So that's a no then from you then. You wouldn't say it to his face.



  • Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    things like this is why the war is lost, imo. Companies are not going to keep paying for a fleet of vans, with expensive running costs, when it's more profitable to use electric cargo bikes to deliver things. they'll paint it as good for the environment but really it'll be cost saving...



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    So there you go. You are not going to put the needs of the many above your need to nip to the shops with the entire family in tow.

    In this very strange situation where you were almost knocked over after not pressing a button at a pedestrian crossing in what sounds like the dark, why couldn't you turn on the road? It all sounds a very strange situation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 789 ✭✭✭p15574


    The whole cycling lobby is predominately male, all the officials involved in promoting cycling in Dunlaoghaire and in DCC are male too, there has to be input from other cohorts in the community.

    That's the effects of years of no proper infrastructure scaring off women, children & elderly. It stands to reason that cycling activists would be male because they form the majority of cyclists at present. The whole point of developing safe, segregated cycle infrastructure is to encourage more people, and wider diversity, to take up cycling. As has been said, this infrastructure isn't for the "lycra-clad" that seem to be endemic (according to angry letters to newspapers).

    Whats wrong with walking to school, meeting your pals on the way and having a chat, this is what my children did, the girls wouldnt have cycled anyway because of the school skirt and the straightened hair. Son always cycled on the road and he hates the new cycle lanes too, he says when he is cycling he doesnt want to be a pedestrian, ie getting off his bike to press a button to stop the traffic so he can cross to a two way cycle lane.

    It could equally be said, when people complain about motorists being inconvenienced, "what's wrong with walking to [insert destination]"? I know, a nonsense response, same as yours. It's like going into a shop and asking for a pint of milk and the shop assistant saying "what's wrong with potatoes?". Some people want to cycle, what's wrong with that? And where do people have to press pedestrian lights to join a 2-way cycle lane? The CMR? Why not cycle along the road until traffic clears before joining it? Even if I was to use the pedestrian lights, the relief on joining the segregated cycle lane of not having to watch your back for dangerous drivers far outweighs any inconvenience.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up




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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I had a very short distance to cycle so went on the footpath, no one around.

    I couldnt then cross without getting off the bike and pressing the pedestrian button so I tried to cycle across the road, thought the car was going straight but then she turned left and I couldnt get out of her way because of the kerb. I couldnt go right then either further on so had to get off the bike again and come round the edge of the kerb. And then people object when I drive to where I want to go.

    Those kerbs are dangerous anyway to pedestrians,elderly people have to step over them to cross the cycle lane to get to the footpath and they arent painted. Its difficult to see them in the dark so no wonder people are tripping over them.

    The needs of the many is to get themselves and their family to wherever they need to go, cyclists are a minority but they make a lot of noise,you can see how little use is made of cycle lanes where I live and if you want to get people out of cars a better solution is to provide free public transport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,198 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,198 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    The Regional Route outside my house is currently empty. Actually it is empty most of the day everyday, and there is also a motorway parallel. Lets get rid of it too. It is under-used. It should be converted to a QBC with no private vehicles permitted. Am I doing this right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,908 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Think getting around traffic jams, parking and loading are easier for cargo trikes. They have that advantage of container shipping: you can go to the depot, and they just put the new container onto the trike, pre-loaded.


    They carry less than vans, but a lot of vans seem to be mostly empty anyway on most journeys.



  • Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Possibly, and for my career's future, ideally, but why would a company invest in a less efficient but more expensive way of doing business? It's inevitable that profit margins will make the decision for them, imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,908 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    "cyclists are a minority"

    On the quays at peak times, where the cycle infrastruture is being eyed up for a Mannixing, there are more cyclists than people driving. In the city centre, only about 30% of people arrive by private car. There are quite a few places where people who drive are overprovided for, and where they are in the minority.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,708 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    "Those kerbs are dangerous anyway to pedestrians,elderly people have to step over them to cross the cycle lane to get to the footpath and they arent painted. Its difficult to see them in the dark so no wonder people are tripping over them."


    Do people have trouble seeing ordinary kerbs, unpainted, in the dark?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,280 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Is it? It seems to me we're not doing enough, and plans are starting to get Mannixed. But yes I guess we've made some strides.

    Also, go to the North Strand at rush hour and tell me cyclists are a minority. It's a constant busy stream towards the centre, at least it was pre covid and will be again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,908 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    The kerbs also aren't present where there is a dipped kerb on the foopath. People who drive usually complain about people crossing at unofficial crossing points, but I guess, like concern for people cycling to school and so on, it's a bit selective.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    I had to take the quays home by bike yesterday as it's the quickest route for me. Waiting at the lights at Winetavern St., and I couldn't believe the amount of people driving down the bus lane on the south quays. It's the thing that annoys me most about driving on the quays, seeing other people not care and using the bus lane to get where they are going ahead of the drivers who follow the rules. Gardaí rarely enforce it, and don't bother addressing it even when they see it.

    I was thinking surely Mannix's time and effort could be better spent fixing such an issue. But then remembered he would probably just want to pull out the bus lane too, and make more room for cars.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,280 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The Carysfort Avenue cycling lane is two way so if you are coming from the village you have to cross at the lights to join it.

    I dont know how you can do this safely as this is a cross road so I cycle the way I always do, with the traffic.

    This is no longer safe for me or anyone else who doesnt want to cross a road twice to get to where they want to go, the road is much narrower due to this wide cycle lane which is empty most of the day or certainly empty anytime I am on this road.

    Cycling on this road is now more dangerous as motorists get enraged when they see cyclists not in the cycle lane, one drove at a teenage boy and forced him onto the footpath. There are residents who live in houses all along this route and most would I would say prefer to cycle with the traffic to their houses, they did not campaign for this cycle lane, it was imposed as a temporary measure but its still there twelve months later without any planning permission, its there for good, the same way Strand road one way will be permanent too if its implemmented.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    But you no more than Keegan are a willing to quantify or address the growing pains or the "adjustments".

    The attempt to close Strand Rd - to the exclusion of any of the other scenarios presented by the NTA - was Keegan's doing.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If your driving is as careless as your cycling, I'm not sure you should be on the road. You clearly don't understand them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,708 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    "I dont know how you can do this safely as this is a cross road ."

    Do you know how to make a right turn on your bike?


    Make a right turn, then turn into the cycle lane.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,280 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Someone tried to murder a teenager and it's a cycle lanes fault lol



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,270 ✭✭✭Mav11


    Does that particular junction not have a cyclist & pedestrian green light? I can't remember but I regularly cycle that route and find it great, much better than before the cycling lane was put in place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,198 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997



    I can tell you that in the areas I've been driving though for decades, the throughput is greatly reduced over that times due to less lanes, more junctions. Sometimes thats intentionally to discourage drivers, sometimes to facilitate buses. Sometimes not.

    Pre-Covid, this has almost never been to improve cycling. I can say in all that time (decades pre-covid) the cycling infrastructure I use to get work has mostly not changed.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    We have no idea who the 60 per cent were but a local councillor told me the vast majority were from outside the area, again a campaign run by lobby groups to make it look like there is huge demand for cycle lanes. The same thing happened in Sandymount but luckily the locals there united to prevent something they did not want, they are the ones who have to live with the after effects of these madcap policies.



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