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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,260 ✭✭✭prunudo


    The uptake was high amongst over 40s but there was a fear that the younger people wouldn't be in a rush to get the vaccine as they deemed themselves to be less at risk from the virus. That plus the fact its the younger people who would be going to pubs and late bars. Imo its been reclassified as indoor dining as Tony wasn't happy with pubs being classed as restaurants hence its a blanket ban. If it was literally just cafes and restaurants I don't believe we'd have the vaccine certs for hospitality.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    Post vaccination if there's no end in sight to restrictions there'll be a big problem

    Apathy and rebellion will set in and they'll have a job to sell further vaccinations



  • Registered Users Posts: 583 ✭✭✭crooked cockney villain


    For two whole weeks now the people of England have done away with the masks, have been drinking at the bar, been clubbing, etc etc etc.


    Their infection rates have been through the floor ever since.


    With our double vaccinated rate now exceeding theirs, exactly how long are the buffoons in charge of this country going to take the "wait and see what happens over there" approach?


    A half full Croke Park in September, which will be 2- 3 months after Denmark, Hungary and England had full stadia for the Euros, is an absolute embarrassment. The world is laughing at us.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It won't, sadly. Irish people don't protest and there's no fourth estate. The government can do anything it wants, and has been doing whatever it wants with no opposition for over a year.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    And not just close to full vaccination in some cases. A few countries have fully vaccinated their populations and are still heavily restricted. Malta is the most curious one for me. They celebrated reaching herd immunity and yet nothing changed in terms of restrictions. Well, unless being able to go maskless as long as you're with another vaccinated person and can prove to the police that you've been vaccinated counts as a change. And even then that's only when outside.


    I wonder will masks ever go indoors in countries such as Ireland, Spain, France, Italy, Germany.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 583 ✭✭✭crooked cockney villain


    The worst thing to happen in this country was letting absolute lunatics like Gilroy, Waters, O'Doherty, Corr become the face of the protest movement. As I told a Repeal door knocker in 2018, I refuse to vote in favour of any movement that would allow the likes of scumbags like Ruth Coppinger a prominent leading role. Poisoned by association. Skepticism about the whole Covid thing is rife among the public, but we need the protest movement run by people who aren't anti everything and who bang on nonsense about Bill Gates and 5G. A legitimate movement to restore our freedoms, take retroactive action against some of the worst offenders in the media and, most importantly, initiate a criminal and/ or civil prosecution of Micheal Martin for having let the ex pats return home in December when he was aware 1 in 30 Londoners were infected with the Kent variant.


    Martin is an affable enough fellow, doesn't mean he shouldn't be jailed for gross negligence in handling this.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,315 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    How can you speak for legitimate protest in the same breath as pushing for Michael Martin to be imprisoned!?

    I'm the furthest thing from a fan of MM but that's hardly rational discourse.



  • Registered Users Posts: 583 ✭✭✭crooked cockney villain


    Martin was aware that 1 in 30 Londoners were infected with a more infectious strain by mid December. He would have had access to information showing tens of thousands of Irish people in the London area were planning on returning to Ireland. Logically, given their contempt for Covid restrictions was obvious by their intent to travel, you could surmise that actually more than 1 in 30 of them were infected given their devil may care attitude would leave them at higher risk than the population at large.


    MM's decision to allow these people return home resulted in deaths. Now, not as many deaths as is reported, seeing as we are still mired in "died with Covid" as opposed to died OF Covid, but deaths nonetheless.


    I fail to see why such negligence wouldn't warrant a corporate manslaughter charge, if such an offence exists in Ireland.


    His negligence also resulted in the closure of retail until May or so. Thousands needlessly unemployed. I think it would be quite fitting if a class action stripped him of his assets and home. Had we prevented the ex pats returning home we would have hovered around 20- 40 cases per day in January, Feb, March. Highly likely pubs, retail, building sites would have remained open.


    Aside from all that he actually seems a nice enough fella, but being nice doesn't remove yourself from your responsibilities. Had he taken decisive action the Kent variant would only have trickled into Ireland, by the time it started to grow our vaccines would have been well under way. It was simple- seal the Northern border, hotel quarantine, a blanket ban on December travel.


    He just couldn't be arsed. The vitriol this country had for the rich lads going to Cheltenham was for some reason never matched for the entitled bastards coming back from London bearing gifts and disease.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    There'll be a lot of apathy towards the vaccines though

    Governments will have to ease restrictions to get people to buy into it going forward



  • Registered Users Posts: 583 ✭✭✭crooked cockney villain


    The amount of people still wearing masks in England is staggering to be honest. I'd say 70% plus on the Tube in London. Can't help but think it's a way of letting everyone know that you hate Boris more than health related.


    If mask mandates were dropped in Ireland tomorrow you wouldn't see one all day. People have had enough of this nonsense.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,212 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Ok I'll bite

    Apart from the amount of utter verbal diarrhoea you've posted, are we really back to the argument of oh it's simple to seal the boarder with the North... here's something you might struggle with, it's near on impossible.

    20 to 40 cases a day... over Christmas your absolutely talking the piss here now



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,260 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Don't think the Lord Mayor has lifted the use of masks on public transport in London yet.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,212 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    I'll gladly make a bet with you that you'll absolutely see people wearing masks if the mandate was dropped.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,212 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Nope still mandatory and likewise in Manchester on public transport



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    Do you think so? I think they are extremely popular in Ireland. People genuinely like wearing them. Just have a quick read through that awful mask thread.


    I think if they were dropped in Northern Ireland they'd quickly disappear, however. They might be scrapped there soon. They're set to discuss them this month and Jeffrey Donaldson has said that they should eventually be voluntary: "Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) leader Sir Jeffrey Donaldson has said Northern Ireland should “move eventually” to a policy of the voluntary wearing of masks." What are the face mask rules from 19 July? How restrictions and advice on coverings are changing around the UK (inews.co.uk)



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Sadly, I don't agree with you on that either.


    There are plenty of countries that have vaccinated their populations and very little has changed in terms of restrictions.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I don't know about Manchester, but in London there's no enforcement of mask wearing on the tube at least. I don't know what the story is with buses. Go into any station and you'll see lots of people, including the staff, not wearing masks.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,315 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Some people posting in a thread on boards is not necessarily evidence of anything widespread.

    I'd be reasonably confident that mask wearing will reduce significantly but there will be some who continue to do so. Maybe even some businesses that choose to request it (pharmacies/GP surgeries etc) but ultimately most situations will see a significant reduction.

    Haven't really done any sort of analysis of this obviously. Just my gut feeling on it from observing general mask discipline amongst people.. reused crumpled masks being pulled out of pockets etc. Not exactly the behaviour of people particularly married to the mask.



  • Registered Users Posts: 583 ✭✭✭crooked cockney villain


    When we were getting 500 or so cases a day in late January and February we were told 90 to 95% were Kent variant.


    Ergo, had the borders been sealed prior to Christmas we would have been getting circa 25 to 50 cases per day. Kent variant would have trickled through eventually, probably by the time our vulnerable had received their first jab.


    And yes, sealing the Northern border is piss easy. We operated customs posts on every border crossing until the mid 90's, it could be done tomorrow if the will was there. People seem to have this idea in their heads that sealing the border was pointless because people from Cork who fancied a holiday abroad would drive to rural Monaghan and drag their bags across fields and streams to the first bus stop to Belfast Airport they could find in Armagh.


    Nobody is that desperate.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,336 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    I see we are into the "booster" stage of the propaganda strategy, a few of the kites were flying this past few weeks but it is now quietly moving to the forefront of the narrative. Leo casually referenced them last week, and just heard a good man on Newstalk there telling us that boosters will be needed this winter but if we are lucky they won't be needed next year.

    Actual quotes we are going to hear in the next few months:

    "Remove restrictions from society? Oh no, we can't be doing that, sure not everybody has had their booster yet."

    "Many of the vaccinated are still vulnerable, we need to wait until they get their boosters"

    "We are all in this together, just a few more weeks to get as many boosters into peoples arms as we can"

    "Oh no, its winter and cases are rising, the most important thing is that we don't open up and then have to lock down again, remember what happened last christmas, hold firm you gullible ****"



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You're right, of course. It isn't, but I do wonder whether a lot of people will ever stop wearing them.


    What I wonder is will they ever go. That's what I've been wondering for over a year at this stage. This isn't the right thread for this, but I see nothing at the moment to suggest that they'll ever go indoors. When I look at Malta, which in May declared that it had achieved herd immunity, and masks still being required there even post-vaccination and herd immunity, it doesn't make me confident that they'll go in Ireland. Gibraltar the same. Still required in shops and on public transport there even though the population has been vaccinated.



  • Registered Users Posts: 583 ✭✭✭crooked cockney villain


    He hasn't, but that's where I used my own logic and everybody else should too. Does Sajid Khan have better medical advice than Boris does? No, he's a petty little socialist who gets his rocks from playing one upmanship with the great dictator.


    Show me the science that says I need to wear a mask on the Tube but not on a train anywhere else in England.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,000 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    I did, and I can find no change to that date of Sept 13th. for mandatory face masks for both vaccinated and unvaccinated.

    From your post "for the state in general they are required" it appears you also need to do a bit of checking as to what mandatory actually means.



  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭Liam32123


    Good Point. And what do you think about that barrister that gathered all those money on GuFundme (approximately more than 150.000)?



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,276 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Went out to our local last night and was delighted to see no checking of covid certs - just showed straight to a table inside.


    Hopefully more places are doing the same. In fact I'll actively avoid anywhere that is checking for certs now that I know places that aren't.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,136 ✭✭✭✭Rayne Wooney


    The UK cases and hospitalisations have peaked, hospitalisations peaked at 6,000 people (compared to 40,000 in January), which is the equivalent of 400 here. The vaccine has reduced the peak hospitalisation number by 85%.

    The UK had less restrictions mid May than we do now, they opened with ~60% of adults vaccinated back then, we now have around 73% of adults fully vaccinated.

    What are we trying to prevent at this point? Those figures above tell us another wave would be insignificant, this was clear 5/6 weeks ago if you just looked at the UK data when NPHET were talking about armageddon. We’ll have every adult in the country fully vaccinated by end of first week in September, if they want a vaccine.

    NPHET figures have never made any sense, are we waiting until every adult is vaccinated, surely that is overkill? What is the number of vaccinations we need to hit? where is our roadmap out of this? Ireland will be a huge outlier at the end of all this.. COVID debt, delayed diagnosis the list will go on.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,246 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    I think NPHET, ISAG and all media need a serious investigation and criminal charges brought against them for the unjustifiable prolonged lockdowns the population of Ireland has been subjected to over the last 18 months.

    There is no science to show that staying in lockdown for Christmas would have prevented B117 and Ireland’s SEASONAL outbreak of Covid occurring.

    NPHET have blatantly mislead the Irish Government and people over their recent modelling scenarios - none of which are coming close to fruition.

    Dr Gabriel Scally(ISAG) has called the U.K. approach as a ‘murderous’ policy, perhaps ISAG should face charges for their deliberate attempts to mislead and terrify the population on baseless evidence. The U.K. policy is resulting in no such disaster. Scotland was also quoted by Government and NPHET, why aren’t they being referred to now?

    Shame on investigative journalists for not questioning this narrative, for not holding the scaremongering to account, and for rolling over when NPHET threw down the grenade of fake doomsday modelling to keep restaurants and pubs closed for much of July 2021 & force through vaccination passports.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,196 ✭✭✭TomSweeney


    I have been saying this for months, they'll start jabbering on about how the 1st people that were vaccinated are now unprotected, so we need to protect them - and so forth.

    To the people that support this , don't you see that there will always be unprotected segments in society if we start relying on boosters ?

    There is no ending if we go down that route ! - can't you see this ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 583 ✭✭✭crooked cockney villain


    The only legitimate news source left in Ireland is gript.ie . They don't post propaganda, they merely give reasoned, non shrill assessments of what the much broadcasted facts and figures actually say. A bit like the Journal Fact Checks, only unlike the Journal these are actual fact checks (The Journal, of all the mainstream media, has undoubtedly been the worst offender of the last 18 months)


    Is there a criminal offence of using a communications mass medium to broadcast a message that causes needless distress? I'm fairly sure there is in some countries. It is surely something that should be looked at for Tony Holohan and his "dark cloud on the horizon" comment about Delta some months ago. WTF was the actual need for it, is he trying to push people towards the rivers and the noose or what is his game? Completely and utterly uncalled for alarmist nonsense.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,196 ✭✭✭TomSweeney


    Never.

    Sure in Spain 99% of people are going around outside fully masked up.

    Little terrified mentally ill fools wandering around double/triple masked + fully vaccinated.

    Then you see them meet and give the kiss kiss crap or taking it off to have a f*ucking smoke ! - hilarious.



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