The Tipperary GAA Discussion Thread

Thanks. Yes, exactly, an outstanding under 21 team from five years ago. The famine enders. A good five years ago. Players like Aussie hitting their prime now - 26. A player who has had many ups and downs but is really delivering now.

But they are getting game time, they got more game time than the last league, and in championship, they're being eased into it and treated rightly.

How many times have managers played youth for the sake of it, throwing them in, and hiding behind lines of developing a team and suddenly years later they're nowhere... and won nothing. These players are being developed nicely and haven't been just thrown in for the sake of it. Nor have they put in the performances at this time to merit inclusion.

Exactly.

Everybody knows that A v B training games are so frequent and the players games are so well-known to each other that the games become close. And B teams often beat A teams particularly in the lead up to games when lads are trying to mind themselves when they know they're starting (preventing injury) and lads are trying to prove a point, particularly when not picked.

Only a guy like shane brophy would make a big deal of that. Every recent inter county hurler's response on other podcasts to that news has been to dismiss it. They know the score.

We're not talking about club football 😁 News flash, Nicky English is no longer relevant... I think you're living in another age.

I was talking about county final. A COUNTY FINAL. The most important game in tipp of the year. And Willie wasn't in the same league as Noelie. Fact.

You said he could play the Noelie role - Willie is a completely different type of player.

Get out and watch a few club games be more in your line.

Keep a civil tone

This is the last time I respond to your level.

What former inter county player?

Journalists can be wrong.

Sheedy and his management team picked their team based on training and data? You saw none of it. You're going on hearsay. What talking about? Sheedy picked the players who performed in training? Sheedy himself last month:

"We’ve seen it across hurling and a number of sports. Really, age is a number,” he says.

“What I’m looking for all the time is life in the legs and the ability to get around the pitch and do great things.

“Every one of my panel, I see them in close situations, hip to hip and one v one, two v two and three v three. Ultimately that’s what I judge my team on.

“The reason they’ll be on the team sheet on Sunday won’t have anything to do with their age or how long they’re in there.

“It will be (a case of) who can start the job for us in the first round and who can come in and finish that job.

“Whether the guy that starts is 21 or 31, that will be based on the data that I have seen right in front of my eyes over the last number of months. That allows me to sleep very easily at night.

“I don’t really get caught up in what’s going on outside the group, and I have enough to control and occupy my mind with what’s going on inside.

“What they’ve given for the jersey over the last number of weeks and when they’ve been training on their own has been impeccable.

“So there will be none of them I can look in the eye and say you didn’t put it in, they’re all giving their absolute maximum.

“I’m very happy with the way everyone on the panel has applied themselves. They’re all giving it their absolute best and I can’t ask for any more.

“These guys are intent on giving this thing a right go.

“If we come up short it won’t be because of age. It will be because we simply aren’t good enough. But as regards their effort, I could not ask for any more from this group"

You'll be calling Sheedy a liar next.

You haven't seen any training matches, I'd say. You're making up stuff about Mark Kehoe in training. Now, that's mind bending.

Noel McGrath wasn't marking Jamie Baron... - sigh.

Cut out your condescending all knowing attitude

yeah, and you could always take off Callanan who scored two goals off before Jake who scored nothing. And you could also take off Michael Breen who scored three points from play and leave on Jake who couldn't get into the game. And you could also take off Noelie who created most of our goal scoring chances but leave on Morris who couldn't get into the game and sure you could take off J McG after bringing him on because he only got two points and two shots on goal but Morris couldn't get into the game, leave him on, and yeah, because they're all old and he's young and that's enough shite from me too.

I'm not against chance. I'm not against young players. I'm against expecting too much of young players and throwing them in without being prepared and harming their development.

That management team has seen it all and developed players at most levels. Look at what Egan has been involved with Kiladangan and how they've changed their structures and changed the culture of a club to county champions. If those players were ready, they'd have been in. Tipp are in transition and throwing people in to try and get them experience is counterproductive when they're not ready.

Sheedy went with a team for the trophies. I wouldn't have it any other way. If you played those young lads you wouldn't have improved Tipp's chances or gained anything for those young lads.

They got a taste in the league and some of them in the championship. And they came away feeling I should have played, not that I got beaten. Confidence intact. There's thinking behind this. You don't flog the good china - you take it out when it matters. These boys are the future and not to be just used willy nilly. They're not ready. They're being developed in the right manner. Not what's best for Liam Sheedy or Dunne or anyone, it's what's best for Tipp. Those young lads, and over ten of them, just spent two to three years with some of the best players we've had in Tipp in a long time. It will stand to them and they'll be spending a bit more time with some of them yet. There's knowledge and experience there to be passed on. There's a right and a wrong way of doing things.

Oh someone got blocked down? Did they? A lot of people on both sides got blocked down. Away to bed.

There is nobody of the calibre of Paudie in this group of young talent. That's a fact. Paudie took the jersey and nobody could take it off him and still can't.

Of course, he went for trophies. There's a big difference between going for trophies and not being able to win them.

Nobody is wrapping anybody up. You just don't get it. They're not ready. The most that can be got from them without jeopardising their development has been got. They'll be in a much better spot to take off now. They've been part of a panel that won an all-Ireland - got onto the field during it, and tasted defeat without blame. Perfect set up to take off. Anybody talking about the young lads development as delayed is off their heads, rage posting because Tipp lost.

Leave out the years they won the all ireland. embarrassing.

Been reading these forums for a long long time. To the victor the spoils it seems. We posted a huge score, left it behind us. I would say we lost that game more than Waterford won it, but they deserved it more than us. The talent is there, just need a refresh.

Do I think Sheedys time is up, yes. And I hope Cahill is the one to replace him. But I would not be as doomsday as many here looking back on Sundays performance. It was a bad day and a mixture of things not one single thing. I would lay the reason for the loss across the backroom, poor shot selection and on more poor refereeing. Any 1 of those 3 things goes our way and we win the game.

We looked undercooked and sloppy on Saturday and it wasnt just the older guys, it was across the board, young and old. The team were not at their peak and that goes on the backroom team. As many handling errors as I have seen in nearly the last 3 years condensed into 1 game. We handed Waterford 1-4 in the first half from sloppiness and lack of sharpness. Not even from manic pressure, just sloppiness. There was another 1-2 at the end after the game was lost. We also took low % shots at crucial times with time and space when Waterford looked to have lost that yard of speed in the late stages. The referee handed them 1-1 in the 2nd half plus a clear foul by the sideline that he didnt give us. We were 2 down into injury time after that penalty call so it did impact the course of the game but ultimately it was the scores we handed Waterford that irked me the most.

Though they may not have 70 still in them it is clear Callinan and McGrath still have something to give. McGrath is a step up in form away from being still there or there abouts as the best on the team. Paudie and Brendan Maher probably closer to his end. Bonner Maher was apparently leading in fitness and speed tests in training. No reason he does not have another big season in him. These guys may have to take a back seat but their experience is needed to transition now.

I will say that bar the Clare penalty, refereeing decisions over Sheedys 3 years have not gone our way. Wexford were practically handed 10 points from poor decisions. Barretts red non red in 2020 v Galway going against us, Gillane and Flanagan non red reds in the Munster final, the penalty call yesterday. All game defining decisions. Add to that in the past years, the 2014 League Final, the abuse Callinan got in the 2015 semi final and no red to Galway, the penalty in 2009, Tyrrell on Callinan in 2009 and even Tommy Walsh in the 2011 final opening the refs nose while trying to strike a Tipp player. We've nearly come to accept it at this stage.

Next year I want to see Kehoe, Caddell and Brian McGrath make the step up. Connolly looks a great prospect and Ger Browne to come back in. Someone mentioned he was on the bench for Cashel last weekend but correct me if I am wrong, I believe that was a game against Knockavilla, so completely understandable. Ryan O'Dwyer spoke very highly of him last week.

It will not take long to revive this team, 3 or so changes. The game was lost not on speed, but sharpness. The tools were there to kill Waterford, we just didnt use them. Think about it, nearly a Waterford performance for the ages and they still couldnt shake us at our worst.

Next year we could put out a team with Kehoe, Browne, Brian McGrath coming in to join Caddell and Morris. John McGraths is a form issue, solvable. Bubbles still has 1 to 2 big years in him. Breen, Flynn, McCormack, Heffernan, Ronan Maher still improving. Barrett showing no sign of slowing down. There is so much there to be positive about. Christ, Callinan could have come away with 3 goals and on top of that who knows what else if he had been fed proper ball and this with no pre-season!

The ball hasnt bounced our way these last 2 years. And still only a puck of the ball away both years.

Well said

You warn me for this!

And yet like a post that contains this: "Childish bombasity at its finest. The arrogance off this post is simply astounding."

Is that enaging with a post? Is that attacking the poster? Is that using evidence and discussion?

The double standards are off the charts.

And if you actually engaged with the thread and appeared sooner none of this would have developed.

You also warned me for asking a straight forward question. I asked someone if they followed the club scene - some people just follow inter county - a straightforward question, and I'm warned for that.

All knowing, is it?