Formula 1 2021 - General Discussion Thread (Read 1st post rules)

It will be a miracle if it hasn't been somehow damaged after a 51G crash.

They have a pool of usable components and they're free to use those as they see fit. They will only take a penalty if they need to add a new component to the pool. That will come into play later in the season and won't impact them at Hungary

If an engine has to be parked due to an accident you didn't cause, an additional replacement should certainly be allowed to be run over the season without penalty.

I assume the spirit of the rule is to keep teams within a certain budget so that larger teams can’t be constantly fixing/replacing parts on the engine?

Crashes shouldn’t be immediately included in that, I think-depending on the stewards findings on the incident, there should absolutely be leeway in repairs. You can’t say on one hand we want close, hard racing but on the other if you are involved in a crash in any circumstance you could destroy your season.

The stewards were correct in the penalty applied to Hamilton because it’s right they just look at the incident in isolation, but any decision made off track should be including the wider context of the championship.

The thing is that all of your ANDs were entirely predictable. Going into the corner at the angle Lewis chose to was guaranteed to take Max out of the race and cause a big crash. Mercedes told Lewis to stay out because they knew an impact that size was guaranteed to cause a red flag and they'd get a free repair. With Max out of the race, Perez at the back of the grid, Bottas playing a compliant teammate, and no other team having anything like the performance of the Merc, Hamilton was pretty much guaranteed victory with a tiny ten second penalty. And with the size of the crash he caused, the headaches Red Bull now face for the rest of the season regarding budget cap and power unit allocation were also guaranteed.

The only thing that wasn't guaranteed was that Max Verstappen would come out alive and without life changing injuries, which is one thing we can be thankful for.

It doesn't quite work that way - they're free to run a third engine at Hungary no problem and without penalty, but they can only run three engines in the entire season and there are a lot of races to go. Red Bull's best hope now is probably covid cancelling a bunch of late-season races.

Cars that get taken out like that and receive damage should be allowed to replace engines etc if they weren't at fault in the crash that caused the damage. If the crash was their fault according to the stewards or it's 50:50 then that's tough. Amazing how this sport hamstrings itself so much with so many ridiculous rules.

He must be some driver to be able to judge the outcome of an accident before it even happened, especially at the speeds they were going. Like someone else said, everyone else is playing checkers and Lewis must be playing 7d chess.

Christian Horner said in Spain "Thankfully Lewis had got out of it because otherwise he would have ended up in the fence.” This time Lewis didn't get out of it and this is the result. At some point in every driver's career they come up against someone who isn't going to just move over for them. Max has been on the other end of this for a long time. Max himself has said that he wasn't aggressively defending as he didn't squeeze him in the wall - Max's definition of too aggressive is putting someone in the wall along the straight.

As for compliant Bottas, imagine if he dropped points himself, just to take a solitary point of Max. Imagine how petty and compliant he would be.

Completely agree. It would also complicate the process of applying penalties during the race as the consequence of being penalised would be that the other party would be absolved and would be eligible for an engine change.

So what might the solutions be? Maybe both parties are penalised to reflect the 60:40 nature of the crash and neither is eligible for an engine change. Or maybe they would be more reluctant to impose penalties as they will probably be challenged in court for weeks following every event. And what happens when a championship contender crashes with a customer of their championship rival? So AM, Williams and Mercedes challenge any crash with a red bull, but don't challenge any crash with another Mercedes.

Just leave the rules as they are. Maybe some people would like the soap opera Court battles running in parallel to the racing for weeks on end, but I would just prefer the racing to be finished at the checkered flag

The appeal has been rejected. The argument was; "Red Bull used the Leclerc pass to argue Hamilton would have made contact in that move too - if he had been on the same line at the same speed as he was in the Verstappen incident." Laughable

Spicy stuff here, imagine the scenes if something else happens this weekend.

I hope the Red Bull car and Max haven't lost any speed. I'd imagine because of the accident last time out that they're on the back foot this weekend. Should be fascinating.

I'm happy with the decision. Penalties should be applied on the day and that should be an end to it. It would have been a terrible precedent if the appeal was taken seriously. Every decision would have been appealed.

Red bull look petty and insecure over this incident. They were everyone's best hope for a championship battle and they wer unlucky in Silverstone. But they have spaffed a lot of that goodwill up the wall with all this childish nonsense.

They need to move on and focus on beating Mercedes on track this weekend. End of story.

Side question, is there a new technique to embedding tweets? You used to just post the url and boards did the rest.

i think the precedence now is worse.

now it is that you can make a crazy overtake atempt , be nowhere near the racing line, colide with your oponent . clip them and spin them off the track with little to no consequence.

what happens next time that happens. now the same has to happen. the die is cast. its going to lead to divers being more wreckless and more crashes.