This debate has done more laps then the actual Grand Prix.
Without a Black Flag the stewards had as much power to prevent Lewis winning the Grand Prix as a referee has to prevent a 10 man team winning a match after sending a player off for a bone breaking tackle.
This is it. It wasn't the Stewarts job to stop Hamilton winning the race. It was just their job to give a penalty commensurate with understeering and causing a collision - which is a relatively minor infringement.
I think the fact that Hamilton went on to win the race makes some people feel the penalty wasn't harsh enough and the penalty should have been judged to make sure Hamilton couldn't win the race. But that's not the point of penalties.
Netflix will be releasing a Michael Schumacher documentary on the 15th September.
I sure am looking forward to that Schumacher doc. Nearly thirty years ago when he made his F1 debut at Spa.
Ocon is using a new chassis this weekend and BBC is discussing the impact of changing chassis both psychological and otherwise. Ocon seems to be going well again this practice session. Worth watching how he goes this week.
Bottas and Hamilton changed chassis a few races ago and it didn't seem to have any impact on Hamilton but Bottas has been on better form since then. Do we know if they have both kept the chassis from the swap or was the chassis Bottas complained about replaced? BBC report that Mercedes used to always report the chassis numbers in their pre weekend press report, but have stopped reporting that detail since then.
Didn't Ocon get the new chassis for Silverstone and score P9. Seemed to have some positive effect for him. Hard to know if it was technical or mental, maybe a bit of both
I didn't know he had it in Silverstone. Silverstone was a better race for him finishing on pace with Alonso (just 4 seconds behind).
BBC said it's a bit of a last resort when they can't find anything actually wrong with the car and maybe it is psychological or maybe there is something worn with the car that they just can't detect but the driver can feel it and loses faith in the car. Very hard to know. The real test would be to tell the driver it's a new chassis but not actually change it.
If you are a motorsport fan with some free time in Cologne the Michael Schumacher Private Car collection is worth a visit.
Featuring the Jordan 191 and free to visit too.
It's racing. Hamilton went in a bit hot and couldn't make the apex. Happens all the time in other racing, 2 and 4 wheel. We want overtaking and sometimes things like this will happen.
A smarter driver might have let the place go, especially being so far ahead, possibly gaining the place back later but at least keeping most of the points difference. Is it Brundle that says the one "to finish 1st, 1st you gotta finish".
I don't think agree that Max would have been smarter to give the place up as I think there are bigger principles at play (such as who will yield first). And even though Max came off second best in this event, he showed that he will not yield, as will Hamilton not yield first.
And that's great for the fan to know. But I completely agree that it's racing. Some people let their hatred of Hamilton convince them that he planned the whole thing or that he predicted the whole outcome except that Max would survive or whatever sensational nonsense they arrive at. But the fact is that it was racing and it will be one of the highlights of the season and will be one of the few moments of this season to be recalled in a decade or longer.
sorry if this has been asked already but is that sprint qualifying they had at silverstone being tried again in later rounds?
Next one is at Monza for the Italian GP. Then one more round TBC
will be interesting see how it goes at Monza
That last lap from Hamilton is a complete nonsense. Never mind Perez not making it, Hamilton was 1.2 down after the first 2 sectors and there was no reason for him to continue and finish it. Then he lost another second in the last sector.
If anyone has a million or so to spare, one of Villeneuve's 96 Williams is up for sale.
Both times this year you've rolled this out, he's got on the podium. Do it again before Spa
Ha! Yeah he was incredibly lucky today again. Points in the bag though.
I was referring to last year and the last few years when people were making excuses left, right and centre for his embarrassing performance level. Has improved to mid-table this year though.
Is Hamilton's head completely gone now that he has some competition? He put it in the wall at Imola, he threw away a victory that was handed to him on a silver platter in Baku, he ploughed into Verstappen at Silverstone, he wasn't confident enough to qualify in a shootout at Hungary despite having the fastest car so he decided to interfere with Max instead and ultimately his own lap was 2 seconds off his previous best because he made such a mess of his warm up while focussing on dirty tactics, and then today in a race that he was restarting from first with both Red Bulls, both McLarens, Bottas and Leclerc all out of play, he still managed to throw away the win and get beaten by an Alpine and Aston Martin thanks to making the most piss-poor decision making on the entire grid, when it was plain to see for even the likes of Mazepin that slicks were the tyre to be on. Then he couldn't even stand up on the podium because he was so winded by having to do some overtaking in the race.
It's amazing how he keeps falling upwards but surely it can't keep happening.
Lol. His head is gone? He made 40 odd points over his championship rival in the last 2 races. Scored a win and a second place, came from thr back of the field to 3rd in Hungary which is notoriously hard to overtake and Took control of the championship again.
His head is gone?
He made up 40 points because his rival got 1 after being shunted off the track twice. Should have been 1st but couldn't pass Schumacher, Gasly et Al and more importantly Alonso for three or four laps. I think he made 5 or 6 places due to others pitting when he jumped onto the hard tire early and then the mediums gave him another advantage when the rest were on old hards.
I think the fact that he doesn't have such an extreme advantage with that car anymore it shows he's not "the greatest of all time".
And the complaining on the radio, throwing his team under the bus, leaving the magic on twice (brakes and diff) and the OTT celebration in Silverstone shows he isn't all mental strength as he makes out.
You post well ordinarily, make good points and are knowledgeable, you are obviously not an idiot, I think all the recent anti-hamilton posts recently have pushed you into that post 😄
Here's a mad idea. Lets all talk about tarnishing Lewis's legacy in the dedicated thread. "Lets all talk about Lewis"
I dislike Hamilton and really wish he wasn't doing well and I wish Max was there to challengebhim to the finish in the last 2 races. But...
He came from behind in both races to finish very strongly in 1st and came from last to 3rd (2nd in terms of points) at a track which is known to be hard to overtake. The notion that he's lost his head is not borne out in the evidence on track. You need to stretch for things like suggesting he celebrated too much after winning his home GP to make that point. I'll probably just stick with the on-track evidence and on track he's doing fine.
Is he the greatest of all time? I don't know and I've never gone in for that kind of hyperbole.
Is his current form the best of his career? Probably not. I expect he's past his peak - he's 36 which is usually past a racing driver's peak.
Is he driving perfectly and making no mistakes? No. No driver does that in reality. That only happens in the retelling of the story for sensationalism's sake. All driver's make mistakes.
Has he lost his head? Absolutely no on-track evidence to suggest he has lost his head. He's plugging away and getting some excellent results.
Do you think he's lost his head.
On track evidence for some, "popularity" for others.
Yeah, you're right. Isn't it always the way? If a driver is well liked, they'll say he's doing great. If he's disliked they'll say he's lost his head.
I think its difficult to claim either of the two.
I thinks its more that he's now in a position where we see his weaknesses overshadow any perceived strengths and I don't think he he can fully cope with not being out front and out of trouble from the very start, it's hard to know if this was always the case but it can be confused with "losing the head" I suppose. The reason i used the celebrations was because to me it was very over exaggerated in comparison to others.
I don't think the places he's gained in races and points he has reclaimed is a counter for him being mentaly solid on track because the misfortune of others have had a huge play in where he's gotten to now.
I haven't suggested he's particularly mentally solid, or outside the range of his normal mental solidity. I only said he's plugging away and getting and getting some excellent results.
He has had some good fortune in those races too. Being in the fastest car brings some "luck" and drivers make a lot of their own luck. These's nothing to suggest mental fragility or that he has "lost his head". Who will claim Ocon wasn't extremely lucky yesterday and who will begrudge Ocon his luck? Not me anyway.
This is quietly turning out to be a great little season with plenty of controversy but now it's time for the summer break, spa next.
Its funny how one weekend can essentially make a teams season, Williams pretty much guaranteed themselves p9 and perhaps p8 as alfa aren't at much in the constructors barring another similar weekend crops up.
Bottas with a 5 place grid penalty for spa which opens the window for Max and redbull to try retake the initiative and lead in the championship.
Ah if plugging away is what you meant. Its just this...
[Quote]He made 40 odd points over his championship rival in the last 2 races. Scored a win and a second place, came from thr back of the field to 3rd in Hungary which is notoriously hard to overtake and Took control of the championship again.[/quote]
...made it seem like he was doing more than just plugging away.
Ocon was lucky to a certain extent but I think his driving and alonsos driving to help him stay out front out weighed the luck when you think of the cars and drivers he still had behind him.
But all those things I highlighted, are true, aren't they? And none of them suggest he has "lost the head", do they?
This is just a case of the facts not lining up with the hyperbolic statement that he has "lost the head" the reality is that he's plugging away and the reality is that he has gotten 2 excellent results in the last 2 races as outlined in the quote above. He has been lucky, and Ocon was lucky yesterday. Luck happens in sport.
If he's lost his head and achieved all that in the last 2 races, imagine what he'll achieve if he ever finds his head...
I didn't say he lost his head.
What I'm saying is, while what you said is true you can't use them them to counter a claim that his mentality isn't impacted because there were bigger factors at play in those other than Hamiltons mind set.
If it was a case were Hamilton was driving to at a level that was putting other drivers under so much pressure they were making the mistakes he has made and he was capitalising on the back of those then fair enough but that's not the case.
That's how I see it anyway and that's what I would accept as a valid points to counter a suggestion that his mentality and concentration might not be all there, not completely gone, but there you go.