Parking and traffic in Phoenix Park

zerosugarbuzz · 21-04-2021 10:33pm

Main car park at the Papal Cross apparently now closing at 6pm each day. What about the people stopping off after work in the evenings for a walk or run after work. Makes no sense to me!

Stark · 21-04-2021 10:49pm

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

Main car park at the Papal Cross apparently now closing at 6pm each day. What about the people stopping off after work in the evenings for a walk or run after work. Makes no sense to me!

There must be some reason for that, makes no sense that they would start doing that as the evenings are getting longer, it's been open late all winter.

beauf · 21-04-2021 11:04pm

....is there anything to be said for saying another mass...

daymobrew · 22-04-2021 9:54am

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

Main car park at the Papal Cross apparently now closing at 6pm each day. What about the people stopping off after work in the evenings for a walk or run after work. Makes no sense to me!

Email them: superintendent.park@opw.ie and ask.

zerosugarbuzz · 24-04-2021 7:38am

daymobrew wrote: »

Email them: superintendent.park@opw.ie and ask.

Thanks and I will.

24-04-2021 11:41am

The side gates are closed, no parking on chesterfield avenue, papal car park closing early now apparently and in general attempts at removing cars.

I personally think people will just start going elsewhere and a few years from now we’ll be wondering why the park is so empty.

beauf · 24-04-2021 12:55pm

They won't because they see it as nature reserve first and an amenity a far distant second.

Treppen · 24-04-2021 3:22pm

beauf wrote: »

They won't because they see it as nature reserve first and an amenity a far distant second.

Ya we really need to preserve those scarce deer... By shooting 30 every year :pac:

beauf · 24-04-2021 5:29pm

They are expensive so what ever it takes...

Larbre34 · 24-04-2021 6:39pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The side gates are closed, no parking on chesterfield avenue, papal car park closing early now apparently and in general attempts at removing cars.

I personally think people will just start going elsewhere and a few years from now we’ll be wondering why the park is so empty.

The side gates aren't closed?

It was busy in there today but everyone managed to park. I use any of the three carparks on the southern side of the 15 acres and always get a space handy enough. Nice to see it so busy today.

beauf · 24-04-2021 6:42pm

Everywhere park, beach etc is busy today I reckon.

Phil.x · 24-04-2021 7:57pm

beauf wrote: »

Everywhere park, beach etc is busy today I reckon.

Open the pubs and shops and the park will be back to being pre-covid popular.

miamee · 26-04-2021 11:48am

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

Main car park at the Papal Cross apparently now closing at 6pm each day. What about the people stopping off after work in the evenings for a walk or run after work. Makes no sense to me!

I was parked in it on Friday from about 7pm to 7.50 and no sign of it closing when I was leaving. There *is* a sign on the barrier at the entrance saying car park closes at 6pm but that is the second time in recent weeks I have been there at that time without any issues.

VonLuck · 16-05-2021 5:08pm

VonLuck wrote: »

Phoenix Park gates to be rehung by the end of July: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/phoenix-park-gates-set-to-be-rehung-after-800-000-restoration-1.4529113

Was in the park today and it looks like they've started doing something with the Ashtown gate at last.

Stark · 16-05-2021 6:50pm

VonLuck wrote: »

Was in the park today and it looks like they've started doing something with the Ashtown gate at last.

Work being done on Chapelizod Gate as well.

jlang · 18-05-2021 4:04pm

In the last few weeks small signs with bikes/people/arrows have been installed on wooden sticks at each junction on the new paths on Chesterfield Avenue. If I'm interpreting them correctly the intent is that to keep bikes off the old cycle paths (and walkers off the hard shoulder cycle paths). Confusingly they also seem to want to enforce one way walking on the new footpaths.

If you've seen the signs, you'll know what I'm talking about. I might take a picture next time. Doesn't make any sense to me, even if segregating people walking in the opposite direction might have been the intent at the "max fear" stage of the pandemic.

Does anyone know what this is about?

No signs at the old paths, so I suppose they're still OK for two way walking.

Larbre34 · 18-05-2021 7:28pm

I'd say they left any attempt to do something like that 12 months too late. People are just gonna do whatever they like, short of walking on the road.

Stark · 18-05-2021 8:54pm

The one way walker signs have been there a while (totally ignored of course). They tried those in my local park but gave up on them. Saw one old fella give out to someone walking the other way one day and she just looked at him confused and said "yeah, thanks".

Larbre34 · 18-05-2021 9:35pm

Wasn't she right too?

I'm all for legitimate public health measures but thats a load of nonsense.

IngazZagni · 19-05-2021 1:03am

Yeah those arrows on the footpaths have been up for months. I get the point of it but it's totally ignored so really just a waste of paint.

Separately I have noticed the need for Zebra crossings on Chesterfield Avenue. There's effectively no official crossing point on this entire stretch. There's a line near Castleknock which is not in line with standard zebra crossing road markings so basically they are expecting people to J walk and dodge traffic in a public park..

raheny red · 19-05-2021 10:34am

Trying a way one system but no pedestrian crossings.....

I told ya · 19-05-2021 12:06pm

On Chesterfield Avenue, runners on the outer paths and walkers on the inner paths. Would it work?

buffalo · 19-05-2021 7:13pm

I told ya wrote: »

On Chesterfield Avenue, runners on the outer paths and walkers on the inner paths. Would it work?

I'm taking it that you mean inner as the one closer to the road? Vice versa would be better. Nobody likes walking beside the car traffic unless they have to, much nicer to walk further away from the fumes and noise and under the leafy trees.

Inner path is smoother as it doesn't have as many tree roots, so would be better for runners.

raheny red · 22-05-2021 11:23pm

Recent pics of the North Road works

https://twitter.com/Tallpaulie/status/1396151729788489728?s=19

Larbre34 · 23-05-2021 3:34am

Whats he on about? The new mobility plan for the Park hasn't been agreed yet.

Yes, they were resurfacing a badly broken up road. Did he expect them to do a crap job of it for some reason?

If he's dazed and confused he should inform himself better.

Former Former Former · 23-05-2021 8:44am

Bizarre. One look at those pictures and you'd know that it's not newly installed.

Never let facts get in the way of outrage and zealotry though. That's the key.

VonLuck · 23-05-2021 12:14pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

Whats he on about? The new mobility plan for the Park hasn't been agreed yet.

Yes, they were resurfacing a badly broken up road. Did he expect them to do a crap job of it for some reason?

If he's dazed and confused he should inform himself better.

True, but seeing as major works were involved in resurfacing they could have considered adjusting it somewhat, such as moving the ramp out of the cycle lane.

Larbre34 · 23-05-2021 2:55pm

VonLuck wrote: »

True, but seeing as major works were involved in resurfacing they could have considered adjusting it somewhat, such as moving the ramp out of the cycle lane.

As was responded to his tweet, they deliberately put them in the cycle lane so cars wouldn't use the cycle lane to avoid them. Granted, some cycle lane deflectors might have been a better solution.

Former Former Former · 23-05-2021 3:17pm

VonLuck wrote: »

True, but seeing as major works were involved in resurfacing they could have considered adjusting it somewhat, such as moving the ramp out of the cycle lane.

The section with the ramp in the cycle lane was very clearly not resurfaced.

The cycling lobby don't help themselves sometimes

daymobrew · 23-05-2021 6:25pm

Former Former Former wrote: »

The section with the ramp in the cycle lane was very clearly not resurfaced.

The cycling lobby don't help themselves sometimes

It's not fair to tarnish an entire group based on one twit. At least require a good few twits - like one does with Audi drivers :-)

VonLuck · 23-05-2021 8:43pm

Former Former Former wrote: »

The section with the ramp in the cycle lane was very clearly not resurfaced.

The cycling lobby don't help themselves sometimes

Not sure what you mean. They clearly have put a new speed bump in the cycle lane.

Former Former Former · 23-05-2021 9:32pm

VonLuck wrote: »

Not sure what you mean. They clearly have put a new speed bump in the cycle lane.

No, they have not. It was always like that.

VonLuck · 23-05-2021 9:35pm

Former Former Former wrote: »

No, they have not. It was always like that.

Nope. They've replaced the existing speed bumps as part of the resurfacing works.

Larbre34 · 23-05-2021 9:38pm

VonLuck wrote: »

Nope. They've replaced the existing speed bumps as part of the resurfacing works.

I'm not sure what it is you are saying?

The speed bumps were always in the cycle lane, a simple look at Google Street view shows how it was. They have resurfaced and replaced the ramp exactly as it was, including the cycle lane.

What are you on about?

VonLuck · 23-05-2021 9:44pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

I'm not sure what it is you are saying?

The speed bumps were always in the cycle lane, a simple look at Google Street view shows how it was. They have resurfaced and replaced the ramp exactly as it was, including the cycle lane.

What are you on about?

I never said they weren't there previously. I said they put in new ones.

IngazZagni · 23-05-2021 9:45pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

I'm not sure what it is you are saying?

The speed bumps were always in the cycle lane, a simple look at Google Street view shows how it was. They have resurfaced and replaced the ramp exactly as it was, including the cycle lane.

What are you on about?

Isn't this sort of the point? It would be the simplist thing to do. Just not start the ramp so close to the curb on a cycle lane.
Now we will end up digging it up again in a few months as the part of the revised road system in the park in typical Irish fashion.

Larbre34 · 23-05-2021 10:20pm

Possibly. Maybe. Maybe not.

raheny red · 24-06-2021 3:01pm

https://twitter.com/phoenixparkopw/status/1408061707965009921?s=19

VonLuck · 24-06-2021 3:57pm

Who knew repairing and rehanging gates could be such a long process.

Treppen · 24-06-2021 8:43pm

VonLuck wrote: »

Who knew repairing and rehanging gates could be such a long process.

... Wait till you witness the grand opening of the gate.

Larbre34 · 27-07-2021 1:06pm

I received the following update in relation to the Park this morning. I think a sensible compromise has been arrived at, recognising the diversity of users and the needs of those who also live and work in the Park.

Changes to go ahead:

The walking and cycling changes proposed will be implemented (Q42021), as well as 30kph speed limit.
There will be no return to parking on Chesterfield Ave. A Parking Review due to the loss of parking on Chesterfield Ave will take place in Q42021. More parking will be made available on North Road.
North Road will be piloted as one-way from Cabra Gate to Garda HQ, west to east, from Q42021.
A cul de sac will be introduced on the Upper Glen Road on a pilot basis, from Q42021.
Cabra Gate will become a bus-only gate.
The proposed bus route pilot will go ahead, connecting Phoenix Park to Heuston and Broombridge Stations, from Q12022, depending on funding. There is no bus route pilot for Castleknock and Blanchardstown.
All pilots are for 9months and will be reviewed thereafter as to whether to make them permanent or not.
A review of the Study will take place in 5 years.

Not going ahead:

The cul de sac of North Road is not going ahead, but one way access will be implemented on pilot basis as per the above.
A cul de sac inside Knockmaroon Gate isn’t going ahead at this time.
Ashtown Gate will remain open to two-way traffic (as opposed to becoming entry-only) at this time.
Further studies will be undertaken on both. A review of Ashtown and Knockmaroon Gates will be completed in Phase Three (3-7 years) once data collection and traffic modelling has been completed. This will be a collaboration between Fingal and Dublin County Councils and the NTA.

JimmyVik · 27-07-2021 1:24pm

Usually we would go to the zoo maybe every 2nd month if the weather is good. Then spend the rest of the day getting ice creams or having picnics in phoenix park. Havent been since covid started though.

We were supposed to go to the zoo a few weeks ago. Booked it online and got the tickets. Its about a 25km drive there from where we live.

Got close to the park and there was traffic everywhere. After about an hour of getting nowhere we just decided to head for Tayto park. Other half got on the phone and booked tickets online. And as soon as we headed the opposite direction from phoenix park we had driven to, parked and were inside Tayto park within 25 mins tops.

Wont be going to Dublin zoo again if thats what getting to it is going to be like.

Hogzy · 27-07-2021 1:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117668191#Comment_117668191

Stop the presses! Traffic is bad in Dublin!

The proposed plans would have made traffic worse in the area surrounding the park.

Larbre34 · 27-07-2021 1:49pm

Jimmy if you read the summary, "more parking will made available on North Road."

The fact they aren't going to cul-de-sac this and instead make it one way, means a massive amount of tarmac space will be available for parking. I've no doubt Dublin Zoo were very vocal on this point, following the loss of the Chesterfield Avenue parking.

Treppen · 27-07-2021 4:05pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117668191#Comment_117668191

Dublin zoo is too crowded anyway.

If you think about it going every 2nd month is just taking up space for people who rarely ever go.

27-07-2021 5:28pm

Good news that Upper Glen Road will be blocked IMO. And that parking on the Av will not be reintroduced - hopefully they can consider something more permanent now, to separate the lanes, than a line of cones.

Making North Road one way so as to create a parking lane is smarter than I would have given the planners credit for

all in all, it seems like a good compromise

JimmyVik · 28-07-2021 10:42am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117669172#Comment_117669172

Ive never seen it too crowded.

But no need to worry about us taking up space in it anymore anyway.

Sure we cant even get to it in a reasonable time frame.

Flinty997 · 28-07-2021 11:05am

We would have used the park a lot pre covid. Since the changes we've mostly only gone to Farmeigh and the visitor center. The stuff we would have gone into the main park for we now go to other parks, like Catherines Park etc. We our annual Zoo pass expired during the first lockdown and I doubt we'll get another. I was down there recently to meet someone at the Zoo. I had to drive around for 10~15 mins then park a long distance away. I think I was lucky to get that. Still because there so many other parks that we can use, lots with food markets that have sprung up we haven't really missed the park.

Treppen · 28-07-2021 11:50am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117672415#Comment_117672415

Just a few minutes up the road there's a public grounds with 100s of open acres that nobody frequents. Went there for a picnic 2 weeks ago and only 1 other car parked on the whole estate :pac:

mcsean2163 · 28-07-2021 3:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117672766#Comment_117672766

Sounds good. Which park is that?

Parking and traffic in Phoenix Park

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