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Parking and traffic in Phoenix Park

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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,776 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I received the following update in relation to the Park this morning. I think a sensible compromise has been arrived at, recognising the diversity of users and the needs of those who also live and work in the Park.

    Changes to go ahead:

    • The walking and cycling changes proposed will be implemented (Q42021), as well as 30kph speed limit.
    • There will be no return to parking on Chesterfield Ave. A Parking Review due to the loss of parking on Chesterfield Ave will take place in Q42021. More parking will be made available on North Road.
    • North Road will be piloted as one-way from Cabra Gate to Garda HQ, west to east, from Q42021.
    • A cul de sac will be introduced on the Upper Glen Road on a pilot basis, from Q42021.
    • Cabra Gate will become a bus-only gate.
    • The proposed bus route pilot will go ahead, connecting Phoenix Park to Heuston and Broombridge Stations, from Q12022, depending on funding. There is no bus route pilot for Castleknock and Blanchardstown.
    • All pilots are for 9months and will be reviewed thereafter as to whether to make them permanent or not.
    • A review of the Study will take place in 5 years.

     Not going ahead:

    • The cul de sac of North Road is not going ahead, but one way access will be implemented on pilot basis as per the above.
    • A cul de sac inside Knockmaroon Gate isn’t going ahead at this time.
    • Ashtown Gate will remain open to two-way traffic (as opposed to becoming entry-only) at this time.
    • Further studies will be undertaken on both. A review of Ashtown and Knockmaroon Gates will be completed in Phase Three (3-7 years) once data collection and traffic modelling has been completed. This will be a collaboration between Fingal and Dublin County Councils and the NTA.




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    Usually we would go to the zoo maybe every 2nd month if the weather is good. Then spend the rest of the day getting ice creams or having picnics in phoenix park. Havent been since covid started though.

    We were supposed to go to the zoo a few weeks ago. Booked it online and got the tickets. Its about a 25km drive there from where we live.

    Got close to the park and there was traffic everywhere. After about an hour of getting nowhere we just decided to head for Tayto park. Other half got on the phone and booked tickets online. And as soon as we headed the opposite direction from phoenix park we had driven to, parked and were inside Tayto park within 25 mins tops.

    Wont be going to Dublin zoo again if thats what getting to it is going to be like.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,544 ✭✭✭Hogzy


    Stop the presses! Traffic is bad in Dublin!

    The proposed plans would have made traffic worse in the area surrounding the park.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,776 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Jimmy if you read the summary, "more parking will made available on North Road."

    The fact they aren't going to cul-de-sac this and instead make it one way, means a massive amount of tarmac space will be available for parking. I've no doubt Dublin Zoo were very vocal on this point, following the loss of the Chesterfield Avenue parking.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭Treppen


    Dublin zoo is too crowded anyway.


    If you think about it going every 2nd month is just taking up space for people who rarely ever go.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Good news that Upper Glen Road will be blocked IMO. And that parking on the Av will not be reintroduced - hopefully they can consider something more permanent now, to separate the lanes, than a line of cones.

    Making North Road one way so as to create a parking lane is smarter than I would have given the planners credit for

    all in all, it seems like a good compromise



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    Ive never seen it too crowded.

    But no need to worry about us taking up space in it anymore anyway.

    Sure we cant even get to it in a reasonable time frame.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,428 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    We would have used the park a lot pre covid. Since the changes we've mostly only gone to Farmeigh and the visitor center. The stuff we would have gone into the main park for we now go to other parks, like Catherines Park etc. We our annual Zoo pass expired during the first lockdown and I doubt we'll get another. I was down there recently to meet someone at the Zoo. I had to drive around for 10~15 mins then park a long distance away. I think I was lucky to get that. Still because there so many other parks that we can use, lots with food markets that have sprung up we haven't really missed the park.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭Treppen


    Just a few minutes up the road there's a public grounds with 100s of open acres that nobody frequents. Went there for a picnic 2 weeks ago and only 1 other car parked on the whole estate :pac:



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163




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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,483 ✭✭✭daymobrew


    From a cycling perspective I would have liked the Chesterfield Avenue parking to have been restored. It would also solve a lot of the parking issues.

    For younger/nervous/inexperienced cyclists it is safer and more comfortable for them to be on the off road cycle track (and the surface is better).



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,682 ✭✭✭horse7


    Someone from OPW on rte radio 1 this morning, wants the park kept for bicycles and walkers.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,015 ✭✭✭✭Mc Love


    As it should be



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭Treppen


    I aint sayin nuthin, a friend showed it to us a while back and warned if he ever saw more than 4 cars I'd be dead to him.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭Treppen




  • Registered Users Posts: 9,761 ✭✭✭Effects


    War Memorial Park?



  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    Plenty of space around Tolka valley also, and Waterstones park in Palmerston.

    Parking on the North road needs to be marked out, way too many bad parkers!



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭Treppen


    I ain't sayin nuthin ( but not the war memorial park)



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,153 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    From what I have seen, visitor numbers to the Park seem to be way down since the parking restrictions were introduced.

    Very sad to see.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 38,770 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle




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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,776 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Interesting. Who from the OPW was on radio undermining their Minister and why?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,414 ✭✭✭Former Former Former




  • Registered Users Posts: 14,015 ✭✭✭✭Mc Love




  • Registered Users Posts: 23,776 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I drive to the Park to run and go on walks with the family. We bring hurls and footballs, maybe some cold food in a picnic cooler. Either or both of our elderly mothers might be with us in good weather, mine is crocked in the knees and hips, my wife's mother has very poor vision.

    When I'm in the Park driving, I'm in no hurry, I give way in all to bikes and pedestrians and dog walkers and sometimes the resident deer. I park considerately and make sure to never obstruct anyone or anything.

    Often to clear my head I'll cycle alone to the Park, lash a couple of laps of the perimeter roads in and ride home again. I love doing that, but from it I see the concern people have for dangerous and inconsiderate drivers, so I agree vehicle traffic must be calmed.

    However, I'm going to do all of the above as long as I have breath in my body, because I like it and that is what this great facility is for. And anyone in the Country is just as entitled to come to this national park and do likewise. And to visit the attractions by car and to get to their jobs within the Park by car too.

    Whats been outlined is a sensible compromise. Everyone gains and loses a wee bit and ideally safety for everyone and the integrity of the Park will be the overall winner.



  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    From what I see, there are still plenty of visitors to the park.



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,153 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Plenty of visitors is still less than it was before and thousands of people are losing access to the amenity.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    You would think that only the people who live near the park pay for it the way some are talking here.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,682 ✭✭✭horse7


    Does OPW stand for only people walking?



  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    How are people losing access? The park is still there, parking is still there, gates are still open and they are adding a bus route through the park, surely that actually gives more access to people!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 27,153 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    You only have to look at other similar parks across Europe, for example, Bois du Boulogne or Bois des Vincennes in Paris to see amenities much more used by the local populations and which don't try and restrict access like is being done with the Phoenix Park.



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