Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

Not long now lads. A meaningful Christmas is looking good. 🎅

The reason for caution with children is that they do get infected and they do infect others, no one wants anyone excluded from society but there are risks to be balanced, those that dont want to get vaccinated do risk being excluded from certain activities while the Government has gone against NOHET and have allowed those under 18 to eat indoors once they are with a vaccinated person, they know there is a higher risk of transmission by doing this but they have decided it is a risk worth taking until such time as everyone has been offered a vaccine.

This makes absolutely no sense

It’s ok to keep fcuking them over because we did it before

Insane logic

ah it’s an anti alcohol agenda it seems

What number of cases would you be happy to reopen indoor dining?

In regard to your last paragraph, do you realise that there is overlap of the two ‘groups’ m, despite the media and many on here trying to polarise everything, and discredit all opposition to dystopian measures as anti vaxxers. I took the vaccine, I’m disgusted and angry about the vaccine passes, and I will never show mine. Not that I’ll need to, this will be defeated by being ignored, at least in rural Ireland. People generally are more sensible that the shower of idiots governing us.

No I have no idea of transmitting rate. My point was about the actual effects of the disease on children. They are effected worse by flu than covid.

So my question is why are you so worried about them transmitting the disease during indoor dining if everyone else is vaccinated? I'd ask NPHET the same question is I could.

I'm firmly of the belief that excluding them from indoor services (play areas, swimming pools, indoor dining) is serving them worse than any covid disease will ever effect them. It's ridiculous nonsense to suggest they are safer in a classroom of 30 of their peers (all unvaccinated) than in a restaurant with similar numbers with majority vaccinated?!

In the same logic hospitals were just as full before covid

I'm sure some young people have had it bad. I'm also sure some young people had a grand old time getting paid the pup and not having to work, and they still socialised - some even moreso than before, given all the free time they had. Exams cancelled or impossible to fail because of the "trauma" and, moreso, admin headaches.

Some people of all age groups had it tough. Some died, some lost their livelihoods, some couldn't go to the pub. The young people may well leave in their droves, but it'll largely be for the same reasons they've always left. If I were a nurse, granted, the covid experience would definitely make me less inclined to stay. Ditto some other front line jobs. But the martyred youth is a bit overplayed.

The fact an exception was made to the rule for unvaccinated children but not for unvaccinated adults who can provide a negative test makes it abundantly clear that if you’re aged 18-35 and don’t have children, this government doesn’t give a fúck about you.

I’d be fine with requiring vaccination or a test to access indoor dining. I’d be fine with the current system if it was implemented when everyone who wanted a vaccine could get one and didn’t have a nonsensical exception for children. As it stands, it’s discriminatory to plenty of my friends who aren’t fully vaccinated yet, and as you correctly point out, it doesn’t even give those of us who are vaccinated the security of knowing everyone else in the establishment is also vaccinated or disease free.

It’s complete horseshít, and I’m fed up with the attempts to connect any criticism of it to anti vaccine sentiment.

Funny how there was daily case number updates for the UK on RTE and The Journal when their cases were increasing earlier in the month but not a one the last week since cases have stagnated/started to fall.

If you're fully vaccinated.... why worry? Everyone is eventually going to be exposed to Covid.

Vaccinated people can also transmit and cause breakthrough infections in other vaccinated people.

This is all part of living with Covid, especially with fully vaccinated people.

Golfer John Rahm has been pulled out of Olympics following positive Covid test.

7 weeks ago he was also pulled out of a tournament that he was leading at the time, due to a positive Covid test.

15 days later he won the US Open, claims to have been fully vaccinated in this intervening period, but now he has returned another positive test.

Is this even possible?

But doesn't that cycle always repeat. The young become old, a new crisis emerges and the young pay for the elderly and so on?

We've had pandemic before and the young were never affected, pubs weren't closed, etc...

Maybe Covid is (getting close to using was) something a little more serious?