Is there an argument to be made for increasing police firm-handedness in Dublin?

06-07-2021 6:23pm #1

My thoughts:

1) Dublin has an issue with overcrowding and housing shortage

2) Dublin has a huge homeless and drug crises

3) Many parts of it are almost entirely over run with an uncultivated sub-demographic with drastic limitations on their future due to their background (i.e. the poverty trap in many respects).

4) This problem shows NO sign of slowing down.

What I'm conveying with this is, in many respects there's this teetering element of violence, certainly associated with certain city subcultures, which is on the verge of going off to varying degrees, at almost any time (and I FEEL this emphatically at almost all times around the city - with the exceptions of certain south side and related areas etc.).

When it comes to Ireland as a whole, the idea of turning it into a police state would be laughably unnecessary (well, from my own POV I can say that in relation to midland locations and cities like Galway, more rural regions etc.).

But Dublin itself is naturally BY FAR the most populous location in the country with it's own very unique culture within a culture.

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I don't see these problems changing/improving if the situation is left to itself - that's all I'm saying.

Your thoughts?

Nozebleed · 06-07-2021 6:27pm

1. Dublin doesn't have a huge housing crisis..

Dublin...like the rest of the country has a huge immigration crisis.

athlone573 · 06-07-2021 6:29pm

Bring back Robocop and Lugs Brannigan you mean?

Nah... Battering junkies,Canada Geese and grey tracksuit wearers won't help. More cops on the beat and less paperwork might though.

When the city reopens fully the edginess won't be as apparent.

Also better if you link personal anecdotes rather than random twitter accounts, the city isn't that bad really.

TP_CM · 06-07-2021 6:32pm

Has it worked elsewhere? Which country has figured it out and what level of firm-handedness do they employ? My understanding is that the more firm you are with people the more problems there are. I'm thinking America for example.

Unless you're talking about going the whole hog like China/North Korea but I don't think you mean that. Looking at the low crime countries, it doesn't seem like they have used a firm-hand to keep things on the straight and narrow. Happy to stand corrected on that though.

crooked cockney villain · 06-07-2021 6:34pm

I'm not sure I have ever seen a "Garda brutality" video shared where the screaming hyenas in the video didn't get half of what they deserved. 2pm and it's pajama clad waster women trying to prevent the Guards seizing their son's dirtbike, wallop them I say.

crooked cockney villain · 06-07-2021 6:34pm

Nozebleed wrote: »

1. Dublin doesn't have a huge housing crisis..

Dublin...like the rest of the country has a huge immigration crisis.

As I say, not a housing crisis, a preference crisis.

As in who the government prefers to give homes to.

It isn't the native working man by any means.

Del2005 · 06-07-2021 6:36pm

Our problem is the Gardaí it's the "justice" system which is completely broken but too many people are feeding from the trough to fix it. Too many people ware walking out of our courts with no penalty for the crimes they've committed.

Spend a day in court and you'll see what a farce our justice system is.

06-07-2021 6:43pm

Del2005 wrote: »

Our problem is the Gardaí it's the "justice" system which is completely broken but too many people are feeding from the trough to fix it. Too many people ware walking out of our courts with no penalty for the crimes they've committed.

Spend a day in court and you'll see what a farce our justice system is.

I mean I'm not familiar with the justice system particulars but are you suggesting rounding up the scrotes and simply jailing them all? Whilst somehow stunting their procreation? (just think of it - no more Sabrina and Anto's to drain hard working, non-freeloading folks tax money).

Cause I would really get on board with that.

But the prison industry and overcrowding issue in the US is quite frightful.

I'm just saying, maybe if the police increased in #'s and took a more firm handed approach to the situation, they could settle these matters "out of court", so to speak.

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And the city I see this being effective in is Amsterdam.

Cops there don't **** about and comprise a fairly significant percentage of the street occupying population.

Normal One · 06-07-2021 6:44pm

Sort of ethnic cleansing by the Garda? LOL

Maybe don’t leave your home if you’re so scared, OP.

06-07-2021 6:49pm

Normal One wrote: »

Sort of ethnic cleansing by the Garda? LOL

Maybe don’t leave your home if you’re so scared, OP.

There's always one....

Using the race-card as a scapegoat.

Weak sauce bruh.

Enter name here · 06-07-2021 6:53pm

The problem is the Gardi are nothing more than security guards with a government pension. This is what happens in a society that prohibits its police force from actually being police and enforcing the law.
Maybe a little discipline is what society truly needs at the moment.

Normal One · 06-07-2021 6:55pm

JohnJoeJames wrote: »

There's always one....

Using the race-card as a scapegoat.

Weak sauce bruh.

Not as weak as your reading comprehension, apparently.

06-07-2021 6:56pm

Enter name here wrote: »

The problem is the Gardi are nothing more than security guards with a government pension. This is what happens in a society that prohibits its police force from actually being police and enforcing the law.
Maybe a little discipline is what society truly needs at the moment.

If I gather the general sentiment correctly then YES.

This is my point.

And just FYI re Amsterdam it's probably most the successfully culturally diverse city in Europe.

So in relation to immigration being the issue, I seriously doubt that's valid.
In fact I'm definitely a fan of multi-culturalism, but it absolutely MUST be managed with adequate care and attention.

06-07-2021 6:57pm

A lot more cops being a lot more visible around dublins busier areas would help

Anything more than that comes with its own problems

corner of hells · 06-07-2021 7:01pm

JohnJoeJames wrote: »

My thoughts:

1) Dublin has an issue with overcrowding and housing shortage

2) Dublin has a huge homeless and drug crises

3) Many parts of it are almost entirely over run with an uncultivated sub-demographic with drastic limitations on their future due to their background (i.e. the poverty trap in many respects).

4) This problem shows NO sign of slowing down.

What I'm conveying with this is, in many respects there's this teetering element of violence, certainly associated with certain city subcultures, which is on the verge of going off to varying degrees, at almost any time (and I FEEL this emphatically at almost all times around the city - with the exceptions of certain south side and related areas etc.).

When it comes to Ireland as a whole, the idea of turning it into a police state would be laughably unnecessary (well, from my own POV I can say that in relation to midland locations and cities like Galway, more rural regions etc.).

But Dublin itself is naturally BY FAR the most populous location in the country with it's own very unique culture within a culture.

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I don't see these problems changing/improving if the situation is left to itself - that's all I'm saying.

Your thoughts?

We don't have a huge homeless crisis, homelessness is declining, our drug crisis never really changes much , we have in and around 30 thousand dependent on methadone and its been like that years, we do have from to time to time different types of substances appearing, becoming popular and then receding, an example would be snow blow once problematic not very prevalent now.Tablet use varies significantly too from the likes of lyrica being very popular now hard enough to get.

Whats 4 ,

Enter name here · 06-07-2021 7:01pm

JohnJoeJames wrote: »

If I gather the general sentiment correctly then YES.

A big start would be arming the Gardi for one. And a stray bullet in the leg of a lifetime scumbag wouldn't go astray either. As as society we have become weak and far too politically correct, the minority rules and is driven by social media.

But the issue lies within the parents for allowing their children to grow up undisciplined and unhinged in the last 20 years or so.

Enter name here · 06-07-2021 7:03pm

Deleted User wrote: »

A lot more cops being a lot more visible around dublins busier areas would help

Anything more than that comes with its own problems

Explain to me what good an unarmed 4 foot woman and her 5 foot 10 male counterpart are going to do to prevent a crime happening on the streets?

Ask the criminals to wait a 30 mins while they call in an armed response unit?

Policing in this country is so far beyond a joke. May as well make them wear rainbow uniforms and offer free hugs to anyone in need.

06-07-2021 7:08pm

Enter name here wrote: »

A big start would be arming the Gardi for one. And a stray bullet in the leg of a lifetime scumbag wouldn't go astray either. As as society we have become weak and far too politically correct, the minority rules and is driven by social media.

But the issue lies within the parents for allowing their children to grow up undisciplined and unhinged in the last 20 years or so.

You might be my new favorite poster on current affairs.

I see in living color the exact reason for the bolded text.

Modifying that situation, pffff - would be a hell of a thing.

And it basically goes back beyond the roots of culture to the very identity of men, women, relationships and what they're based on.

But in terms of "seeing it in living color", yeah it's basically that trash element, safety and security women find in associating with it, in a trash environment (i.e. a trashy environment = get knocked up by teh "bad boys" = a sense of safety within that uncertainty).

I mean walk around Dublin and how many women just out of their teens are pushing prams with about 6 kids in tow, no possibility to provide the financial backing to ensure they have a reasonable future - it's heartbreaking to see.
Those sweet innocent kids condemned to that future from day 1 and the cycle repeats itself.

Endorsing degeneracy (even glamorizing it) and then comes the inevitable broken homes without discipline or reasonable cultivation capacity and next thing hoards of illegitimate kids are raising hell on the streets with impunity.

In the interim until some revolutionary cognitive behavioral intervention comes along, I suspect simply a more firm handed police force and competent judiciary wouldn't be bad place to start

Ash.J.Williams · 06-07-2021 7:26pm

Nozebleed wrote: »

1. Dublin doesn't have a huge housing crisis..

Dublin...like the rest of the country has a huge immigration crisis.

Do we ?

spurious · 06-07-2021 7:34pm

Just enforce the laws, from parking on the footpath, to dropping litter, to selling drugs.
No point having laws if they are not enforced.

kildare lad · 06-07-2021 7:45pm

The government should just buy a huge area of land in say longford . Fill it with tower blocks and build a massive wall around it . Any families that are living in council gafs or on the hap that don't behave themselves , Round up anyone that wearing monclar or Canada goose , junkies etc and ship them off to there . Deport all the gypsy . Give the new residents livestock and grain and throw in a few DVDs to explain how to farm , so they grow their own food and be self sufficient . Hook them up with exercise bikes that'll generate electricity . You could call the place Scumtown . Re populate the city centre and surrounding areas with people who appreciate living in the capital city ... Job done

corner of hells · 06-07-2021 7:46pm

kildare lad wrote: »

The government should just buy a huge area of land in say longford . Fill it with tower blocks and build a massive wall around it . Any families that are living in council gafs or on the hap that don't behave themselves , Round up anyone that wearing monclar or Canada goose , junkies etc and ship them off to there . Deport all the gypsy . Give the new residents livestock and grain and throw in a few DVDs to explain how to farm , so they grow their own food and be self sufficient . Hook them up with exercise bikes that'll generate electricity . You could call the place Scumtown . Re populate the city centre and surrounding areas with people who appreciate living in the capital city ... Job done

Sounds a bit like Athy.

kildare lad · 06-07-2021 7:47pm

corner of hells wrote: »

Sounds a bit like Athy.

Without the big wall ....

06-07-2021 8:12pm

Always amusing to see NP shills calling for firmer garda action after spending weeks crying about getting slapped around by them.

06-07-2021 8:45pm

Yeah see what I meant to say was, at the root of ALL THIS UGLINESS - is the "Sabrina and Anto" situation.
(your tax dollards hard at work, lol)

For real.

Am I the only person who sees this?

Instead of coming across like a die hard cynic, I'm going to let the opening scene from "Idiocracy" do teh talking for me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP2tUW0HDHA

Crap really does roll downhill, let me tell you, and Fitzgerald, Flannagan and now McEntee just stand idly by and let nature do its thing.

Plus we have some other rising stars like Carroll McNeill, hell I don't know is she even a proponent of this sh*t circus?

Government buildings · 06-07-2021 8:50pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

A lot more cops being a lot more visible around dublins busier areas would help

Anything more than that comes with its own problems

What's the point of having more visible cops, when they are not backed up with law?

Potential-Monke · 06-07-2021 8:52pm

It won't happen. The people with the power to force change are living in their leafy suburbs away from the criminals that the rest of us are plagued with. A spate of robberies and burglaries in these areas is probably what's needed to make a change.

francois · 06-07-2021 8:53pm

Another thread repeating the same talking points ad tedium.

06-07-2021 8:58pm

Potential-Monke wrote: »

It won't happen. The people with the power to force change are living in their leafy suburbs away from the criminals that the rest of us are plagued with. A spate of robberies and burglaries in these areas is probably what's needed to make a change.

I mean, their actions (or lack thereof) would seem to reflect that as being the situation.

But I mean, they can't possibly be that out of touch (can they?).

Maybe they're the type that just want to believe that "everyone is capable of good things", and completely neglect to understand that some demographics - it's essentially their religion to live like die hard rebellious pieces of trash that say "f**k you" to "the man" every waking minute of their lives.

i.e. they neglect to understand that crap-rolls-downhill and a firm hand is the ONLY way to manage it.

I wonder is that ideology a product of historical catholic delusionism ("turn the other cheek", "they know not what they do" etc.), that along with alcohol culture has plagued Irish evolution since its inception?

06-07-2021 9:00pm

francois wrote: »

Another thread repeating the same talking points ad tedium.

Links?

OMM 0000 · 06-07-2021 9:01pm

We desperately need a three strikes law.

Get the scum out of society permanently.

Yes I understand "that doesn't solve the root problem", but grow up, we're talking about the real world and how it impacts everyone.

06-07-2021 9:05pm

do whatever giuliani did, to the center.

and build more prison spaces. i dont care if they're baghdad dungeon or norweigan rehab style. just make it a real threat.

try some of the sht that goes on here with continental gendarmes and youll get a baton across the chops.

06-07-2021 9:09pm

OMM 0000 wrote: »

We desperately need a three strikes law.

Get the scum out of society permanently.

Yes I understand "that doesn't solve the root problem", but grow up, we're talking about the real world and how it impacts everyone.

I was riding the Luas earlier.

Two absolute bears of security guards boarded at a stop.

There was one dude stood opposite them holding a can of dutch-gold, tattoo's up and down his arms and lower legs.

A little further down the carriage, three Anto's were stood drunkenly mumbling, with the occasional belligerent holler.

The security guards sheepishly got off at the next stop.

.......

Some please, 'splain it to me.

Help me understand.

They're under direction from the parliament to rule with presence and appearance alone, no touching allowed?

Something like that?

OMM 0000 · 06-07-2021 9:16pm

JohnJoeJames wrote: »

I was riding the Luas earlier.

Two absolute bears of security guards boarded at a stop.

There was one dude stood opposite them holding a can of dutch-gold, tattoo's up and down his arms and lower legs.

A little further down the carriage, three Anto's were stood drunkenly mumbling, with the occasional belligerent holler.

The security guards sheepishly got off at the next stop.

.......

Some please, 'splain it to me.

Help me understand.

They're under direction from the parliament to rule with presence and appearance alone, no touching allowed?

Something like that?

Imagine we lived in a society where there were no scum on the Luas.

Imagine the sort of person who doesn't want that.

06-07-2021 9:19pm

85603 wrote: »

do whatever giuliani did, to the center.

Funny earlier that exact scene from Taxi Driver just started playing in my head.

If only we could get someone competent to actually implement it.

And yes I agree it's not necessarily going to address the core of the issue ("Sabrina and Anto") but it would be an admirable interim measure.

It's just getting worse and worse, the crap and the scum and the incompetency and our supposed "authorities" are preoccupied with all these peripheral topics whilst failing to address the genuine pertinent issues when it comes to quality of life and living, be it urban (in this case) or rural.

and build more prison spaces. i dont care if they're baghdad dungeon or norweigan rehab style. just make it a real threat.

try some of the sht that goes on here with continental gendarmes and youll get a baton across the chops.

Yes yes yes!!

**fist pumping the air**

spring lane jack · 06-07-2021 9:29pm

Crime is an industry providing jobs and money to police employees and the legal profession. The war on drugs is the main reason youth in more socially disadvantaged areas hate authority and the police. Legal profession and police know this and that is why SFA will be done to stop this war on drugs farce. Interestingly the lack of respect for authority has also been passed through the generations from the beatings, child abuse and rapes that were conveniently ignored by the Garda and authorities of the day in state supported religious homes and schools.

saabsaab · 06-07-2021 9:31pm

How about families that are involved in repeat criminality lose their home in Dublin city? The house given to someone on the waiting list. Plenty of less expensive areas they could be placed, eventually.

06-07-2021 9:31pm

OMM 0000 wrote: »

Imagine we lived in a society where there were no scum on the Luas.

Imagine the sort of person who doesn't want that.

Hummmmm!!!

**focusing concentration and attempting to imagine such a person**

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Hummmmm!!

FromADistance · 06-07-2021 9:42pm

kildare lad wrote: »

The government should just buy a huge area of land in say longford . Fill it with tower blocks and build a massive wall around it . Any families that are living in council gafs or on the hap that don't behave themselves , Round up anyone that wearing monclar or Canada goose , junkies etc and ship them off to there . Deport all the gypsy . Give the new residents livestock and grain and throw in a few DVDs to explain how to farm , so they grow their own food and be self sufficient . Hook them up with exercise bikes that'll generate electricity . You could call the place Scumtown . Re populate the city centre and surrounding areas with people who appreciate living in the capital city ... Job done

Not sure how the Dutch are getting on with their 'Scum' villages to be honest but I doubt it would ever happen here...

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/europe/roma-family-is-banished-to-amsterdams-scum-village-29557503.html

dhaughton99 · 06-07-2021 9:42pm

Anyone caught dealing from a council house should be turfed out by the council.

saabsaab · 06-07-2021 9:51pm

dhaughton99 wrote: »

Anyone caught dealing from a council house should be turfed out by the council.

Certainly if repeated.

06-07-2021 9:59pm

Ban diesel cars.

More buses.

More Luas lines.

Otherwise, love this city, as I have since I moved here from BoggoBoggoLand over 40 years ago.

saabsaab · 06-07-2021 10:03pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Ban diesel cars.

More buses.

More Luas lines.

Otherwise, love this city, as I have since I moved here from BoggoBoggoLand over 40 years ago.

Never heard of it!

06-07-2021 10:10pm

saabsaab wrote: »

Never heard of it!

Not surprising. Nowhere near the Wild Atlantic Way.

Tell you what though. If it wasn't for this city there's a lot of ****ers would have to emigrate or stay fiddling the dole and praying rosaries for a better internet connection.

spring lane jack · 06-07-2021 10:19pm

dhaughton99 wrote: »

Anyone caught dealing from a council house should be turfed out by the council.

But for what drug exactly ? This being an Irish thread I would take a wild guess that people dealing Cannabis would be turfed out onto the street whereas the destructive drug Heroin would retain its 'protected' status by the corrupt system we currently have in place.

CucaFace · 06-07-2021 11:09pm

The Gardai were poor enough at doing their jobs before covid. During covid they have basically given the city over to scum. It will take a heavy handed approach to bring Dublin back to how it was pre covid (which was far from perfect even then). Something they and our politicians seem to have no interest in doing so i fear after Covid we will have issues there that we did not have before (like large gangs of scumbag teenagers who never came into the city before bar St.Patricks day are now coming in every Friday and Saturday)

And im saying this as someone who has worked in the North inner city the last 8 years and drank in the city center for many years and and go into the city center on a daily basis.

The luas by the way was basically a moving homeless shelter during the last lockdown. 80% vermin on it all day long.

riclad · 07-07-2021 3:26am

I think it would be better if cannabis was legalised for anyone over 21 than the Gardaí could concentrate on dealing with hard drugs or drug dealers who sell cocaine or other hard drugs.
What is your plan, arrest every male who is not working or dress, s in a certain way
The Gardaí don't control the courts.. Maybe the judges realise there are very limited places in our prisons
There's no point jailing some one for petty crimes in the midst of a pandemic
American has a high rate of conviction and 100s of prisons and many city's still have a high crime rate
We cannot print money
We cannot afford to build expensive new prisons
The government is already borrowing millions just to recover from the pandemic

Yes there's alot of homeless people and junkies in dublin
but I don't think they actually commit much crime

joseywhales · 07-07-2021 5:28am

This thread is some laugh, I haven't been in Dublin the last couple of years so maybe there is some truth to it. However a lot of posts sound insane to me. It's the immigrants fault and we should literally beat people into shape, oh and the not so subtle use of the word "sub" and of course "vermin".

Is it really that bad? And also, you are sounding like Nazis.

By all means give them the resources to enforce the law but the last thing we want is carte blanche to beat up anyone deemed undesirable.

15-07-2021 7:24am

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117611110#Comment_117611110

You have a point.

At the same time, somethings gotta give.

I suppose to be fair this could be characterized as more of a humanitarian problem (cause trash cardboard box cities in 3rd world dumps have it a lot worse - the degenerative issue at the heart of the matter is the same, just run rampant).

Location aside, the core of the issue remains to be addressed.

And multi-culturaiism is something cities like Amsterdam have managed with infinitely greater efficacy.

Surely there's a policy the Irish government could emulate?

Police presence and authority is easily the first thing that springs to mind.

Kermit.de.frog · 16-07-2021 9:41pm

https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2021/0716/1235602-jeanie-johnston-cancelled/

The underlying story here is not the ship but the repeated warnings from local residents and businesses regarding scummy behaviour.

Montage of Feck · 17-07-2021 4:22pm

I know it's only a minor thing but the current Gardai uniforms have gotten far too casual. They don't sent out the authoritarian vibe that older uniforms had.

Is there an argument to be made for increasing police firm-handedness in Dublin?

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