My €100m BEAM scheme

coolshannagh28 wrote: »

Nitrates will be a huge issue going forward for all farmers ,I cant imagine it would take a rocket scientist to design software to give farmers an accurate reading particularly as there are financial penalties involved .

No it wouldn't, but to manage nitrates you need to manage from the start of the year. They are impossible to resolve without serious financial loss if you wait until the last 2-4 months.

For a lot of lads this was there first foray I to nitrates management. It amazing the amount of lads with 20-30 suckler cows who taught that all you had to do was reduce by 1-2 cows. There was a good few who taught that they could sell that cow next week and be under the limit. Most did not(and many still do not) understand that your weanlings, yearlings, culls and bull impact it and there sales date as well

tanko wrote: »

Exactly how many lads with 20-30 suckler cows “taught” that all they had to do was reduce by 1-2 cows?

A good F@@king many that I met. Most had never interacted with nitrates and stocking levels before. Sh!t a lot of them cannot fill out there BPS online FFS. If they knew how to calculate it most would not be extending there reference period now.

A good many lads finishing had the same issue as well. Up until now if they had a nitrates issue they just exported a few loads of slurry on paper anyway. They be running around over Christmas normally to export a few thousand gallons to this lad and that lad

coolshannagh28 wrote: »

Nitrates will be a huge issue going forward for all farmers ,I cant imagine it would take a rocket scientist to design software to give farmers an accurate reading particularly as there are financial penalties involved .

Does agrinet not have that available already.
We do it on an excel sheet and when we sell/buy it changes when we enter the transaction

i goT a text from DOA saying I could choose an alternative BEAM reduction period by cob tonight, anyone know how do I make the change on DOA WEBSITE

The marts will be packed in the morning.

tanko wrote: »

The marts will be packed in the morning.

TBH I am not too sure. Nobody will have targeted to hit the 5% spot on 6-8months ago. Many lads may have being in s comfortable position 6-8weejs ago. Because of this many may have being buying cattle over the last month or more

Farmers will have to wait until August to find out if they have the 5% reduction.
https://www.farmersjournal.ie/farmers-must-wait-until-august-to-confirm-5-beam-reduction-632851

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

Hard to understand the delay in updating the figures until then.

It's a fairly complex calculation. As well it may have to be done individually for each farmer. The calculation is mid year to mid year so there system may not run the calculation automatically.

Finally they have had a few hiccups with the calculations already so they will need to make sure the info for it is correct. As well we are in the middle of the holiday season reduced staff will be available to collate the information.

At the end of the day most farmers have the information I. Front of them from updates already received. It cannot be too hard to run off the last two months calculations yourself

If a farmer imports pig slurry does it affect the beam scheme?

Are you sure about that cause you maybe misleading people. Under rule 10.1 the applicant has to reduce the production of bovine nitrogen on your farm by 5% from 1/7/20 to the 30/6/21 vis a vie the reference year of 1/7/18 to the 30/6/19.

You too are incorrect - "7.1.1. Reduce the production on the holding of bovine livestock manure nitrogen by 5% for the

period 01 July 2020 to 30 June 2021 as compared with the period 01 July 2018 to 30 June

2019 as recorded on Department systems. Slurry exports are not reckonable as reduction.

(See Annex 3 below for more information on Nitrates reduction)"

https://www.gov.ie/en/service/7cdaed-beef-exceptional-aid-measure-beam/

Please don’t confuse people any more than what they already are on what should be a very simple scheme.

The key word in what you are quoting is “production”.

If you imported slurry it was not produced on your farm. If you exported slurry you did produce it. Therefore exports are not reduced from your total as you produced it on your holding and imports are not added on as they were not produced on your holding. It’s as simple as that.

For anybody reading these last few posts and now getting confused please just contact either the department or your Agri advisor and I can assure you the answer you will be given is that imports and exports are not used in the calculations.

That exactly what myself and Bass have been saying and you’ve been telling us we are incorrect.

I agree, it’s not confusing, but for some reason you are trying to make it confusing by saying we are incorrect when we are not.

You posted @ 12.51 - "Import’s, Export’s, renting more land, or any other variable like that, is not used in the calculation" which I stated was incorrect and it is also misleading.

7.1.1. Reduce the production on the holding of bovine livestock manure nitrogen by 5% for the

period 01 July 2020 to 30 June 2021 as compared with the period 01 July 2018 to 30 June

2019 as recorded on Department systems. Slurry exports are not reckonable as reduction.

(See Annex 3 below for more information on Nitrates reduction)"

https://www.gov.ie/en/service/7cdaed-beef-exceptional-aid-measure-beam/