coolshannagh28 wrote: » Nitrates will be a huge issue going forward for all farmers ,I cant imagine it would take a rocket scientist to design software to give farmers an accurate reading particularly as there are financial penalties involved .
Bass Reeves wrote: » No it wouldn't, but to manage nitrates you need to manage from the start of the year. They are impossible to resolve without serious financial loss if you wait until the last 2-4 months. For a lot of lads this was there first foray I to nitrates management. It amazing the amount of lads with 20-30 suckler cows who taught that all you had to do was reduce by 1-2 cows. There was a good few who taught that they could sell that cow next week and be under the limit. Most did not(and many still do not) understand that your weanlings, yearlings, culls and bull impact it and there sales date as well
tanko wrote: » Exactly how many lads with 20-30 suckler cows “taught” that all they had to do was reduce by 1-2 cows?
wrangler wrote: » Does agrinet not have that available already. We do it on an excel sheet and when we sell/buy it changes when we enter the transaction
Tomjim wrote: » i goT a text from DOA saying I could choose an alternative BEAM reduction period by cob tonight, anyone know how do I make the change on DOA WEBSITE
tanko wrote: » The marts will be packed in the morning.
Base price wrote: » Farmers will have to wait until August to find out if they have the 5% reduction.https://www.farmersjournal.ie/farmers-must-wait-until-august-to-confirm-5-beam-reduction-632851
TCDStudent1 wrote: » Hard to understand the delay in updating the figures until then.
If a farmer imports pig slurry does it affect the beam scheme?
No imports or exports do not effect Beam only stock numbers
Are you sure about that cause you maybe misleading people. Under rule 10.1 the applicant has to reduce the production of bovine nitrogen on your farm by 5% from 1/7/20 to the 30/6/21 vis a vie the reference year of 1/7/18 to the 30/6/19.
Bass is right, it’s based on your stock numbers. Import’s, Export’s, renting more land, or any other variable like that, is not used in the calculation. It is solely based on your stock numbers in the reference period verses your stock numbers in the new period. And also as said on here before you can’t just get rid of a few animals on the last day, it’s based on your herd total over the whole 12 months.
You too are incorrect - "7.1.1. Reduce the production on the holding of bovine livestock manure nitrogen by 5% for the
period 01 July 2020 to 30 June 2021 as compared with the period 01 July 2018 to 30 June
2019 as recorded on Department systems. Slurry exports are not reckonable as reduction.
(See Annex 3 below for more information on Nitrates reduction)"
https://www.gov.ie/en/service/7cdaed-beef-exceptional-aid-measure-beam/
The key word is ''production'' Base. Imports and exports have no effect on productions. As DBK said neither will renting extra land even though you reduce your N/HA level.
This is purely a production based measure. It takes no accounts if imports or exports
Please don’t confuse people any more than what they already are on what should be a very simple scheme.
The key word in what you are quoting is “production”.
If you imported slurry it was not produced on your farm. If you exported slurry you did produce it. Therefore exports are not reduced from your total as you produced it on your holding and imports are not added on as they were not produced on your holding. It’s as simple as that.
For anybody reading these last few posts and now getting confused please just contact either the department or your Agri advisor and I can assure you the answer you will be given is that imports and exports are not used in the calculations.
You cannot export slurry as a means to reducing by 5% the total nitrogen produced on the farm. It's not really confusing.
That exactly what myself and Bass have been saying and you’ve been telling us we are incorrect.
I agree, it’s not confusing, but for some reason you are trying to make it confusing by saying we are incorrect when we are not.
Are you reading the posts at all? Have a read back at the posts by Bass and DBK……then look at your posts…..
You posted @ 12.51 - "Import’s, Export’s, renting more land, or any other variable like that, is not used in the calculation" which I stated was incorrect and it is also misleading.
how is that incorrect?
7.1.1. Reduce the production on the holding of bovine livestock manure nitrogen by 5% for the
That’s what he said?????
Exports are not used in the calculation?
that’s exactly what he said.
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