Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII Read OP For Mod Warnings

Rayne Wooney · 02-07-2021 09:39AM

There was a sense that the tide had changed after that NPHET farce, people who were just quietly accepting the restrictions had enough.

Only now the government are being proactive it seems, far too late in the game.

Ballynally · 02-07-2021 09:40AM

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

I would imagine based on Uk data that hospital stays are extremely short now due to age and vaccination. 24 hours is average stay in Uk now so maybe we are experiencing the same revolving door effect here keeping the numbers steady.

24 hours average stay in hospital f Covid19 patients?
Where did u get that information?Or is it just general average?

FileNotFound · 02-07-2021 09:41AM

seamus wrote: »

Average for the last two weeks is 7.1 per day.

Over the last week that's up marginally to 7.4.

The last two weeks has overall seen the lowest average number of hospitalisations in a long time. The signs are that it's trickling back up. The numbers are low enough though that a single day of 12 admissions could be a freak.

Also as we open more the virus will spread more - I thought this was just fact?

So we will see a rise in cases, hospital cases and deaths.

But will it overwhelm the hospitals or increase to the point it impacts the system (mind you a system that is always under strain so relativity would be needed).

The idea that numbers don't jump as we opened outdoor dining is a bit of an innocent naive view - if anyone holds it.

Klonker · 02-07-2021 09:42AM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Still shows admissions per day but curiously not discharges.

So Ronan Glynn just took the highest admissions of the last 2 week and said this is the average admissions per day which is almost double the actual average admission. And people think they are not deliberately misleading us. No wonder their modelling is off the charts.

FileNotFound · 02-07-2021 09:48AM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

There was a sense that the tide had changed after that NPHET farce, people who were just quietly accepting the restrictions had enough.

Only now the government are being proactive it seems, far too late in the game.

Could not agree more. I have been supportive to date, very supportive. 3 day visits home (all outdoor with distance and even masks) since it began. Didn't travel for xmas (as what happened seemed somewhat obvious to me), still not had a haircut as working from home, so on and so on.

Yet the fact the government did no planning in the background, seems their planning amounted to a few prayers that the covid gods be kind.

The lack of an aim, the lack of explaining the vaccine is not 100% so cases will never go away, the lack of clear communication that every opening step will see jumps in cases - hell the decision to base decisions on cases after us being told for so long its protect the at risk and hospitals.

All in all I sit here shaking my head - ranting on boards.

Mind you, I'll follow the nonsense - but it will be remembered in years to come. May FF be dissolved as an entity (I blame MM as man at the top and the dope Donnelly is a joke). It does make you realise a trained teacher isn't really qualified to run a nation.

Ballynally · 02-07-2021 09:53AM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Glynn is lying or just "rounding up" to a nice even number of 10.

With numbers that low one could easily extrapolate the percentages of hospital admissions leading to severe pulmonary problems and deaths if somebody bothered to compile this.
Just a few people making phonecalls and/or hospitals reporting.
It isnt rocket science.
Or has everything now gone fully IT based w no paper backup?
There really is no excuse not to inform everyone about these details w 40+ people in hospitals including 14 in ICUs.
Blaming it on system issues is a non issue at this stage.

Edit: we know Delta has been with us for at least 2 months.
Given the fact that Alpha is still with us we can easily sequence the variants and do the calculations.
Paper to pen, even.
I suspect that, with nrs that low they see no point to calculate percentages other than how the Delta variant has grown in comparison with Alpha.
My dark mind thinks that is useful for official bodies to go on warning us about the upcoming threat. Its taking over!

HildaOgdenx · 02-07-2021 09:53AM

I have avoided watching news bulletins since March 2020, never watched the daily updates by NPHET or the government - if we still have a government, I have no idea. We seem to have a puppet in the form of Micheál Martin as Taoiseach. A man with no backbone.

Glimpsed the beginning of a news bulletin this morning, big headline, Ireland due to be hit with bla bla bla, before they went over to speak with Tony Holohan for more of his gloom laden predictions. This is disgraceful.
No balance whatsoever! No wonder some people are genuinely worried and wanting lockdown to continue forevermore listening to that.

Caught a brief glimpse of the newspaper headlines and more of the same. I despair. The initial lockdown made sense to me, and while I have continued to do things in line with restrictions, I thought the continued use of lockdown(s) demonstrated a complete lack of logic, or any kind of intelligence applied to the situation.

We could dine indoors at various times, in 2020 when nobody was vaccinated, but now, with many people vaccinated, this is absolutely not allowed. I'm deliberately using the word 'allowed' because that's another thing that has worked its way into the lingo coming from on high. We might be allowed or permitted to have a life, sometime, if we all behave ourselves...who knows. :rolleyes:

Tony Holohan tweeting about the 'shocking scenes' in Dublin some weeks ago, was a prime example of this. And it showed how much power this man has been given, and how much he seemingly can dictate to the great unwashed.

We seem to have people at the top now, (strangely, many of them unelected) who are most unwilling to relinquish their time in the spotlight, matched with politicians with no backbone, and tbh, that scares me more than any virus, at this stage.

Murph85 · 02-07-2021 09:59AM

Agree with everything you say lads, but varadkar also has no backbone, remember it was him that put nphet on the pedestal and allowed them ride roughshod...

02-07-2021 09:59AM

FileNotFound wrote: »

Mind you, I'll follow the nonsense

And this is why it Ireland is going to be the only country with Covid restrictions years after everyone else has moved on with their lives.

_Kaiser_ · 02-07-2021 10:04AM

prunudo wrote: »

I think as a nation though we are more fearful of risk compared to other nations than we realise, and covid is bringing that to the surface.
You tell someone in Ireland you ride a motorbike and they nearly recall in horror at how dangerous it is or can't wait to tell you some story about their uncles neighbours friend who was killed or seriously injured off one back in 80s or whenever. Now look at the UK and rest of Europe and the volume of motorbike/scooter riders, people don't give it a second glance.

Anyway, its ot but I think it can explain how so many are happy to lap up the fear and hysteria being spread by media and 'the experts'.

It's two-fold. Yes absolutely are many people risk-averse generally, but there's also an element that "we" don't like anything different or that stands out.

For example, Mark on NT actually asked Pascal Donoghue if we were happy to be in a group of 9 nations (incl Hungary) that are objecting to the minimum corporation tax idea - as Donoghue (surprisingly) said, it's more important that we are looking out for our national interests in these negotiations, but it shows how "we" really have a need for approval and validation in this country and to be SEEN to be doing the right thing"

The second point is that many people have a natural deference to authority figures - no matter how incompetent or unsuitable they prove themselves to be, or how wrong they are. It's a hangover from the dark days when the Church was running things in this country.

Henry... · 02-07-2021 10:05AM

Just checking in

Is the Pandemic over yet ?

MOR316 · 02-07-2021 10:06AM

Mate of mine asking me this...They're 34 and can register from the 12th.

He doesn't want the AZ vaccine due to previous history with a bleed on the brain and they want to travel to America in winter but, they're currently not accepting people who take AZ.
My friend wants the Pfizer or Moderna (spelling?)

Is my friend going to be forced to take the AZ or J&J vaccine?

Klonker · 02-07-2021 10:06AM

Shane in NT also put it to Ronan that some expert (can't remember name) said the projected death rate in the modelling was 1.6 times what we are currently seeing and is he happy that the modelling is accurate. Mentioned that modelling isn't exact but then skipped on to its not just about deaths and started mentioning long covid. Absolute no defense on their modelling or why its estimated deaths is so much higher than we are seeing now. Embarrassing stuff.

_Kaiser_ · 02-07-2021 10:07AM

Hurrache wrote: »

And what exactly is wrong with mentioning that?

It's another nonsense term designed to frighten people.

Some will take longer to recover from illnesses and may even suffer setbacks (up to and including severe complications or even death in some unfortunate cases).

This has always been the case and thankfully such people are outliers. We haven't caused massed hysteria over it before though.

FileNotFound · 02-07-2021 10:08AM

Murph85 wrote: »

Agree with everything you say lads, but varadkar also has no backbone, remember it was him that put nphet on the pedestal and allowed them ride roughshod...

In fairness - the 3 stooges did a great job at the start - like him or hate him Leo was worlds above MM when it came to Covid clarity.

He has also been one of the only people to have a go at NPHET - and remind us they consider 1 death too many. And they do not care if it bankrupts the nation (They shouldn't - there job is unadulterated public health advice on Covid only).

Its up to MM and Donnelly to interpret and pick a course of action - something MM admits he cannot do.

_Kaiser_ · 02-07-2021 10:09AM

Henry... wrote: »

Just checking in

Is the Pandemic over yet ?

Pretty much now that the actually vulnerable are almost all vaccinated and we're down to vaccinating perfectly healthy younger people - I myself had my 2nd jab yesterday.

What's not over is the stranglehold that the proven incompetents and bureaucrats in NPHET and the HSE have over national policy.

Hurrache · 02-07-2021 10:09AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

It's another nonsense term designed to frighten people.

You need to stop with your whitewashing bull****, it's pretty pathetic particularly if it's only yourself you're trying to convince.

davo2001 · 02-07-2021 10:10AM

MOR316 wrote: »

Is my friend going to be forced to take the AZ or J&J vaccine?

No one is "forced" to take any vaccine, but he might need to wait longer to get pfizer.

_Kaiser_ · 02-07-2021 10:11AM

Hurrache wrote: »

You need to stop with your whitewashing bull****, it's pretty pathetic particularly if it's only yourself you're trying to convince.

Not trying to convince anyone so no need to throw your toys out of the pram.

Like everything else Covid related, people need to start making their own minds up and decisions based on that.

seamus · 02-07-2021 10:11AM

MOR316 wrote: »

Is my friend going to be forced to take the AZ or J&J vaccine?

No, they will be opt-in only for under-40s.

FileNotFound · 02-07-2021 10:11AM

b0nk1e wrote: »

And this is why it Ireland is going to be the only country with Covid restrictions years after everyone else has moved on with their lives.

Well the reality is we do still have a virus - the pubs won't open

Going on mass protests when we should keep basic distancing is a thing only a numpty could agree with.

I say the above with the expectation that restrictions end once we have vaccinated, but I do wonder will they pull the booster shot argument saying we need time to roll these out to the first vaccinated etc.

2 wrongs won't make a right - anyone planning protesting en masse is an eejit in my opinion..

Agent Avenger · 02-07-2021 10:13AM

MOR316 wrote: »

Mate of mine asking me this...They're 34 and can register from the 12th.

He doesn't want the AZ vaccine due to previous history with a bleed on the brain and they want to travel to America in winter but, they're currently not accepting people who take AZ.
My friend wants the Pfizer or Moderna (spelling?)

Is my friend going to be forced to take the AZ or J&J vaccine?

As it stands it seems that J&J will continue to be distributed through pharmacies but will be opened up to over 18s. There will be a second portal for those over 18 who wish to avail of AZ once the second doses of over 60s are complete and the original portal for Pfizer/Moderna will remain in place and continue down through the age groups.

FileNotFound · 02-07-2021 10:15AM

MOR316 wrote: »

Mate of mine asking me this...They're 34 and can register from the 12th.

He doesn't want the AZ vaccine due to previous history with a bleed on the brain and they want to travel to America in winter but, they're currently not accepting people who take AZ.
My friend wants the Pfizer or Moderna (spelling?)

Is my friend going to be forced to take the AZ or J&J vaccine?

Pharmacies only have J&J and Pfizer or so i understand.

So he could try a GP (they have pfizer) or the pharmacy - explain the concern on travel - then I am sure they can assist - might have to wait a few extra weeks as they may be administering the one he doesn't want for a week or 2.

facehugger99 · 02-07-2021 10:35AM

FileNotFound wrote: »

Could not agree more. I have been supportive to date, very supportive. 3 day visits home (all outdoor with distance and even masks) since it began. Didn't travel for xmas (as what happened seemed somewhat obvious to me), still not had a haircut as working from home, so on and so on.

Yet the fact the government did no planning in the background, seems their planning amounted to a few prayers that the covid gods be kind.

The lack of an aim, the lack of explaining the vaccine is not 100% so cases will never go away, the lack of clear communication that every opening step will see jumps in cases - hell the decision to base decisions on cases after us being told for so long its protect the at risk and hospitals.

All in all I sit here shaking my head - ranting on boards.

Mind you, I'll follow the nonsense - but it will be remembered in years to come. May FF be dissolved as an entity (I blame MM as man at the top and the dope Donnelly is a joke). It does make you realise a trained teacher isn't really qualified to run a nation.

I think this post sums up the hole we have found ourselves in.

Way too many people willing to just go along with stuff because the man on the telly tells them to.

timmyntc · 02-07-2021 10:36AM

FileNotFound wrote: »

Well the reality is we do still have a virus - the pubs won't open

Going on mass protests when we should keep basic distancing is a thing only a numpty could agree with.

I say the above with the expectation that restrictions end once we have vaccinated, but I do wonder will they pull the booster shot argument saying we need time to roll these out to the first vaccinated etc.

2 wrongs won't make a right - anyone planning protesting en masse is an eejit in my opinion..

There have been numerous large protests throughout the pandemic - not one has been traced to a covid outbreak.
Outdoor gatherings are low risk.

Zebra3 · 02-07-2021 11:02AM

namloc1980 wrote: »

According to the HSE dashboard of the people being admitted to hospital in the last 2 weeks there was only 1 day where 10 or more were admitted to hospital. Some days it's been as low as 2 and average around 6. Glynn is spoofing or else the HSE is lying.

If only our journalists had access to this information and could hold Glynn to account. Such a shame they are locked away by the government and can’t do their job.

Oh, wait.... :rolleyes:

keano_afc · 02-07-2021 11:06AM

Henry... wrote: »

Just checking in

Is the Pandemic over yet ?

2 more weeks to flatten the curve.

Patrick2010 · 02-07-2021 11:07AM

I'm sure its been asked before but were figures produced of the number of people in hospital because of covid and not just with covid?. Similarly deaths of people because of covid rather than with covid?

FileNotFound · 02-07-2021 11:08AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

I think this post sums up the hole we have found ourselves in.

Way too many people willing to just go along with stuff because the man on the telly tells them to.

I mean the options are go mass protest - which i think is silly given that distancing is effective.

Beyond that - we have Gov lifetimes for a reason.

FileNotFound · 02-07-2021 11:10AM

Patrick2010 wrote: »

I'm sure its been asked before but were figures produced of the number of people in hospital because of covid and not just with covid?. Similarly deaths of people because of covid rather than with covid?

I think deaths are with and because of, not sure when it comes to the hospital cases. I imagine many are there due to covid.

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