Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

CalamariFritti

Not sure about current numbers since they are so low, but when we had many more covid cases in hospital there was about a 30% rate of people who actually contracted it in hospital.

seamus

Protests over covid restrictions are not going to make a blind bit of difference tbh. These are temporary restrictions, the government will just let any protests happen because what's being protested about will be over eventually anyway.

It's not like they're going to suddenly go, "Yeah, some people are annoyed, so we're just going to open the pubs and to hell with the pandemic".

MOR316

seamus wrote: »

Protests over covid restrictions are not going to make a blind bit of difference tbh. These are temporary restrictions, the government will just let any protests happen because what's being protested about will be over eventually anyway.

It's not like they're going to suddenly go, "Yeah, some people are annoyed, so we're just going to open the pubs and to hell with the pandemic".

Protests done nothing for Nurses tbf...

RTE and The Government will brand the protesters "right wing" and today's society will brush the protests off due to that.

Something needs to be done though...Irish people cannot keep bending over like this

I see Glynn has basically said he can't see indoor dining opening in July or August.

FileNotFound

MOR316 wrote: »

Protests done nothing for Nurses tbf...

RTE and The Government will brand the protesters "right wing" and today's society will brush the protests off due to that.

Something needs to be done though...Irish people cannot keep bending over like this

Honestly the one thing I have done and would recommend is email the local TD's and state - you have lost my vote.

Politicians care more for self preservation than anything else on earth - enough of their supporters falling away will get the right reaction.

MOH

MOR316 wrote: »

Protests done nothing for Nurses tbf...

RTE and The Government will brand the protesters "right wing" and today's society will brush the protests off due to that.

Something needs to be done though...Irish people cannot keep bending over like this

Or like after the last protest.
Leaving aside the morons involved in the violence, the Garda Commissioner went on the RTE news that night and told us all it had been jointly organised by the far left and the far right.
Which as somebody with zero knowledge of it beyond what I saw on TV, still seems just a tad unlikely

FileNotFound

Deleted User wrote: »

I see Glynn has basically said he can't see indoor dining opening in July or August.

Wow thats some statement

TomTomTim

seamus wrote: »

Protests over covid restrictions are not going to make a blind bit of difference tbh. These are temporary restrictions, the government will just let any protests happen because what's being protested about will be over eventually anyway.

It's not like they're going to suddenly go, "Yeah, some people are annoyed, so we're just going to open the pubs and to hell with the pandemic".

If they think that there's majority support, then they should. That's how democracy is mean to function. We've gotten so used to this bastardized version of democracy, where our masters decide our fate, and not the people, that it's very hard to get back to where democracy is meant to be.

Stheno

Deleted User wrote: »

I see Glynn has basically said he can't see indoor dining opening in July or August.

Where did you see that?

namloc1980

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

They're going all in on their expectations of the severity of the Delta wave. If they're correct, plenty on here are going to have egg on their face - myself included. I think that's unlikely, but we'll see soon enough I suppose.

The UK CMO even more so who said there is no reason to delay "Freedom Day" on the 19th July when all remaining UK restrictions are lifted. Someone is horribly wrong here.

Stheno

Stheno wrote: »

Where did you see that?

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/dr-glynn-covid-vaccine-acceleration-will-not-change-what-is-to-come-in-july-and-august-1150792.html

namloc1980

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/dr-glynn-covid-vaccine-acceleration-will-not-change-what-is-to-come-in-july-and-august-1150792.html

"It's inevitable", "nothing we can do" etc. Absolutely depressing doom mongers is what they are.

jakiah

I fail to see how we wont be rolling back toward level 5 shortly with these predictions.

SAMTALK

facehugger99 wrote: »

Covid is Holohan's shot at redemption and by God he's going to use it for all it's worth, even it it means burning the whole country to the ground.



This country is infected with a deadly virus but it's sure as fcuk not Covid.

This is the 2nd post on the same lines from you about Tony Holohan

You really think that 1 man has the power to destroy the country ?

It's actually contradictory what you are saying about his "shot at redemption" and then "burning the country to the ground "

stephenjmcd

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/dr-glynn-covid-vaccine-acceleration-will-not-change-what-is-to-come-in-july-and-august-1150792.html

Instead they recommended it could open with proof of vaccination.

This is no different to Vardakars comments of we've 2 options, put this in place or just don't open and there's no date for reopening, could be September, who knows.

They'll put something in place around the EU cert one would assume. Far from ideal but if it's a case of open with that in place or not open at all, I can only see one outcome. How on earth anyone actually enforces it is the big question

Did 80% of all adults have their first dose by the end of June? Remember there was a big hoopla about that in early may.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Did 80% of all adults have their first dose by the end of June? Remember there was a big hoopla about that in early may.

Think it ended up at around 70%

RunningFlyer

Starting to think this is a coordinated offensive to push younger people to get vaccinated ASAP. Theres no other reason they can be on air all over the stations today coming out with these doom forecasts.

Whereas other countries (eg US) are incentivising young people to get vaccinated, here we are jointly scaring the older ages, whilst telling young people nothing will change or reopen further unless you get your vaccine.

Depressing really when you think about it. Genuinely feels like Catholic Church scandals all over again.

crossman47

TomTomTim wrote: »

If they think that there's majority support, then they should. That's how democracy is mean to function. We've gotten so used to this bastardized version of democracy, where our masters decide our fate, and not the people, that it's very hard to get back to where democracy is meant to be.

There would be majority support for no taxes but where would that leave us?

MOR316

SAMTALK wrote: »

You really think that 1 man has the power to destroy the country ?

Not in relation to Tony Holohan, per say but, this line stuck out to me...

There have been plenty of lone rangers down the years who have destroyed countries or who have tried to

gozunda

timmyntc wrote: »

There have been numerous large protests throughout the pandemic - not one has been traced to a covid outbreak.
Outdoor gatherings are low risk.

Agreed outdoors is lower risk but crowded situations are known to increase that risk and why it's necessary to keep to basic precautions and avoid situations where social distancing is difficult.

And whilst risk is lower due to outdoor transmission, in mass gatherings people travel to and from locations together and may engage in other types of close contact

On contract tracing the single biggest issue in tracing contacts at protests to date is that cases cannot be easily traced as in controlled situations such as school or work. The other thing that has changed is that Delta is on average between 40 - 60 % more transmissible...

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/945978/S0921_Factors_contributing_to_risk_of_SARS_18122020.pdf

kwestfan08

seamus wrote: »

Protests over covid restrictions are not going to make a blind bit of difference tbh. These are temporary restrictions, the government will just let any protests happen because what's being protested about will be over eventually anyway.

It's not like they're going to suddenly go, "Yeah, some people are annoyed, so we're just going to open the pubs and to hell with the pandemic".

Temporary is such a loaded word though. The restrictions could be with us for 2/3 years and would still technically be “temporary”. Meanwhile people’s lives are being ruined and young people especially are missing out on all the usual rites of passage, normal leaving certs, debs, starting college, going out and socialising, making friends. It’s incredibly cruel IMO that they have to pay the price for government incompetence and an overly cautious CMO.

Backstreet Moyes

What actually happens when this fourth wave doesn't destroy the country based on the modelling.

Are they held in anyway accountable for the hundreds or thousands of businesses that have to close and the amount of people who have no job to return to.

Or do they take credit for keeping things closed as the reason it didn't happen.

Does anyone know why despite having indoor hospitality closed we are one of the worst in Europe for number of cases.

The reality is the majority don't care anymore and have been drinking with friends in houses for months because they have nowhere else to go.

Cancelling communions and confirmations, the one I am going to is still going ahead, going to a hotel and then a big crowd of family and friends to a party in a house.

The only thing that has changed is the kids suffer.

Does anyone on nphet understand human behaviour or how normal people live, these are doctors who tell you 3 pints is binge drinking which nobody listens to and these are the people making decisions.

It is a complete mess, maybe they think they are doing the right thing but if a 4th wave does hit badly it will be because of the restrictions and lack of understanding of human behaviour.

Royale with Cheese

Nuts102 wrote: »

What actually happens when this fourth wave doesn't destroy the country based on the modelling.

Are they held in anyway accountable for the hundreds or thousands of businesses that have to close and the amount of people who have no job to return to.

Or do they take credit for keeping things closed as the reason it didn't happen.

I mean we already know this answer to that

Ashdublinc13

What's the end game here? We keep going as we are until the money runs out?

Last year, it was disheartening seeing restrictions in Europe ease at a faster pace than here. Ok last year, some people put it down to the people in charge being cautious. This year?

Offer vaccines to everyone over 18? Summer becomes autumn. Heading towards flu season.Then the vulnerable are offered a boaster. Looking at spring 2022. Then there be more variants and more caution. When do we get the chance to live with covid? To experience life like other Europeans/ Americans again?

jakiah

Sure NPHET cant lose, they've modelled all scenarios but are pushing the worst case as the one we need to prepare for. If cases rise they'll say told you so. If they dont they claim it was their measures that saved us all. Government have literally said they'll go along with whatever NPHET say.

The are untouchable, its crazy the amount of power they have at this point.

suicide_circus

Restrictions are temporary in the the same way the University Social Charge is temporary.

jakiah

Ashdublinc13 wrote: »

What's the end game here?

There isnt one.

Hurrache

seamus wrote: »

Protests over covid restrictions are not going to make a blind bit of difference tbh. These are temporary restrictions, the government will just let any protests happen because what's being protested about will be over eventually anyway.

It's not like they're going to suddenly go, "Yeah, some people are annoyed, so we're just going to open the pubs and to hell with the pandemic".

"Some people in a self fulfilling bubble are annoyed"....

B2021M

Meanwhile people on booked-out intercity trains (albeit 50% capacity) for 3 or 4 hours at a time..