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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • #2372
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1410698656261476355?s=19

    The UK CMO agrees to lift ALL restrictions this moment. Meanwhile our one wants us primed for another lockdown that we never came out of.


  • #2373
    opinionated3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,189 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1410698656261476355?s=19

    The UK CMO agrees to lift ALL restrictions this moment. Meanwhile our one wants us primed for another lockdown that we never came out of.

    I'm gobsmacked. Arrived into work this morning and tbh the Tony show from yesterday has freaked out a few of the lads. And then to see this tweet? Wtf is going on?!!!


  • #2374
    the kelt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,893 ✭✭✭the kelt


    Deleted User wrote: »
    So now that NPHET and the government are going for broke on this fourth wave, using the most hysterical language possible (biggest hurricane that Ireland has ever faced and all that), what happens when….nothing happens?

    You know what happens, the same thing that happened when the predicted spikes from Mother’s Day, Paddy’s Day, Easter didn’t happen.

    They didn’t happen because of the actions of NPHET and the slacked jawed yokels lap it up, oh yeah, omg thanks NPHET, then they log on to boards saying “things that were never said” all the time.


  • #2375
    ThunbergsAreGo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    daydorunrun wrote: »
    Saw part of an interview with the CMO earlier and reading between the lines the real concern is our health service and it’s inability to cope with even a slight up tick in hospitalisations.
    Our hospitals are heaving under the weight of massive waiting lists for non-covid care and this is a huge factor in recommendations on reopening.
    He used a 3% figure in relation to cases translating to hospitalisation. They can cope at 3% of 500 cases, but they can’t cope with much higher.
    I think I remember reading before that full reopening can’t happen until these waiting lists are addressed. We’ve been pumping money into a broken health service for years and now it’s biting us all on the ass.

    We have massive waiting lists in part due to an overlong lockdown


  • #2376
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,109 ✭✭✭prunudo


    opinionated3 wrote: »
    I'm gobsmacked. Arrived into work this morning and tbh the Tony show from yesterday has freaked out a few of the lads. And then to see this tweet? Wtf is going on?!!!

    As another poster said yesterday while referring to Scotland. Two cmo's, but only one is right, time will tell which one it is.





    Just to add though, Tony will be right even when he's wrong. So many issues with governance and messaging at present and I firmly believe his personality is contributing to a majority of them.


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  • #2377
    lee_baby_simms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,497 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    the kelt wrote: »
    You know what happens, the same thing that happened when the predicted spikes from Mohers Day, Paddy’s Day, Easter didn’t happen.

    They didn’t happen because of the actions of NPHET and the slacked jawed yokels lap it up, oh yeah, omg thanks NPHET, then they log on to boards saying “things that were never said” all the time.

    I’m not so sure. Holohan has repeated how this is unstoppable and will devastate all of Europe. He really is is playing with the houses money on this one.

    Scotland is the region to watch over the next 4 weeks, with broadly similar population and vaccine rollout it should be an accurate predictor for how devastating, or not, this delta wave will be.


  • #2378
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    What's Tony's vision for us?

    If he says it can't be stopped, but we know the vulnerable will be fully vaxxed in the next couple of weeks, who is left to be admitted to hospital and ICU? Even the young groups will be getting the vaccine soon.

    The risk of the younger groups getting sick from this is low. Some do yes, but more will be admitted and will die for reasons other than COVID.

    So are we just to wait for it? I'm 29 and work in a customer facing retail job. If Tony is right, I'm gonna get it. Fair enough.


  • #2379
    Ballynally
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 214 ✭✭Ballynally


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    The device to read them will be a phone, so yes it's perfectly possible to deploy quickly. The system is in place for EU travel, there are no major additional technical hurdles to overcome here.

    Open app, display QR code valid for 5 mins, code is scanned by another app by person on door to say it's valid, then off you go. Simple.

    Donnelly said yesterday that the system will go 'live' on july 19, whatever that means.
    It could go smoothly but i wouldnt bet on it. I see a bottleneck situation occuring w travellers all wanting their Cert at the same time. System crashes,overwhelmed. Goverment sorry but cant be helped.
    I talked to my brother in Holland. Their system went live on july1 like every other EU country. He could download his code that very day.
    What are the chances of Ireland doing the same on july 19?


  • #2380
    the kelt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,893 ✭✭✭the kelt


    lee_baby_simms wrote: »
    I’m not so sure. Holohan has repeated how this is unstoppable and will devastate all of Europe. He really is is playing with the houses money on this one.

    Scotland is the region to watch over the next 4 weeks, with broadly similar population and vaccine rollout it should be an accurate predictor for how devastating, or not, this delta wave will be.

    It doesn’t matter, he could say that if we opened up COVID will cause the sun to dance across the sky for 3 days followed by plagues of locusts for a week and when It didn’t happen the same people will say, “see didn’t happen because we didn’t open up” just like Tony said.

    I know it’s nonsensical answer but so many people are so far far gone at this stage when even they sit in front of a tv watching the rest of Europe getting on with things and the uk planning to fully reopen in 3 weeks it doesn’t even register with them to ask “why?”


  • #2381
    JeffKenna
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,640 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    Ballynally wrote: »
    Donnelly said yesterday that the system will go 'live' on july 19, whatever that means.
    It could go smoothly but i wouldnt bet on it. I see a bottleneck situation occuring w travellers all wanting their Cert at the same time. System crashes,overwhelmed. Goverment sorry but cant be helped.
    I talked to my brother in Holland. Their system went live on july1 like every other EU country. He could download his code that very day.
    What are the chances of Ireland doing the same on july 19?

    I have flights booked for September and I'm half worried it won't be operating properly at that stage.


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  • #2382
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,260 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Is it just me or is the latest HSE/Government "there are better days ahead. We can do this" radio ad even more infantile and patronising than their "hold firm" nonsense?

    Then they wonder why people don't care anymore.


  • #2383
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Is it just me or is the latest HSE/Government "there are better days ahead. We can do this" radio ad even more infantile and patronising than their "hold firm" nonsense?

    Then they wonder why people don't care anymore.

    The most rage inducing one yet IMO is "#ForUsAll"


  • #2384
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1410698656261476355?s=19

    The UK CMO agrees to lift ALL restrictions this moment. Meanwhile our one wants us primed for another lockdown that we never came out of.

    Wow. Presumably there will be about 8 million dead by this day fortnight.


  • #2385
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,260 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Ronan Glynn interview on NT now. Same old nonsense from him. "Long Covid" even mentioned :rolleyes:

    Stumbled when asked about the actual level of risk of hospitalisation to young people.. "you don't want to be the exception though" was basically his response.

    It's absolute nonsense and hysteria from supposed "experts". I am genuinely at the point where I couldn't care less about his (and his colleagues) crying wolf to try and keep themselves relevant at this stage.


  • #2386
    the kelt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,893 ✭✭✭the kelt


    daydorunrun wrote: »
    Saw part of an interview with the CMO earlier and reading between the lines the real concern is our health service and it’s inability to cope with even a slight up tick in hospitalisations.
    Our hospitals are heaving under the weight of massive waiting lists for non-covid care and this is a huge factor in recommendations on reopening.
    He used a 3% figure in relation to cases translating to hospitalisation. They can cope at 3% of 500 cases, but they can’t cope with much higher.
    I think I remember reading before that full reopening can’t happen until these waiting lists are addressed. We’ve been pumping money into a broken health service for years and now it’s biting us all on the ass.

    So become one of the most restricted countries in the world because of COVID which causes waiting lists.

    And remain under restrictions because of those very waiting lists.

    So restrictions in perpetuity, and the nutters getting another prediction right of restrictions on society being used for other things apart from COVID

    Hmmm


  • #2387
    Archeron
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,546 ✭✭✭Archeron


    funnydoggy wrote: »
    The most rage inducing one yet IMO is "#ForUsAll"

    I like the "if I could catch it in a jar" one. Every statement in that ad applies equally to Guinness farts as it does to covid.


  • #2388
    shamco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭shamco


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Got fairly generic emails back from my local TDS (well there assistant's)

    This was from Mary Butlers reps

    'Thank you for your email.

    I personally spent two hours and 15 minutes in a briefing with the CMO yesterday and the information conveyed to me regarding the Delta variant was extremely sobering. I was informed by the CMO that this variant is the most severe and dangerous strain we have seen to date.

    The latest indications in England and Scotland are extremely concerning and it is clear that we are now in a race between the variant and the vaccine. While the CMO informed me that we cannot stop the Delta variant, we can slow it down, and we can be reassured therefore by the fact that we have one of the most efficient and consistent vaccine rollout operations in Europe at the present time. This puts us in a great position to win this battle as a country.

    During this briefing the CMO also acknowledged the contradiction in the hospitality industry by which a person working a shift in a bar/restaurant on a Monday is prohibited from entering as a patron the following night to enjoy a meal or drink. However, it is far safer for a non-vaccinated 20 year old to be working in an environment within which all of the patrons they are interacting with are vaccinated. This is part of the rationale behind this decision.

    It is also important to remember that we have not gone backwards. Everything which has been opened has remained open. We have not gone back to lockdowns or the very strict measures we saw earlier this year.

    The Government, in line with expert public health advice, has instead paused the reopening of indoor dining and drinking to allow more time for the vaccination rollout to protect our population and to engage with the industry to ensure staff and patrons are kept as safe as possible progressing toward further reopening. The first meeting with the industry was held yesterday and the Taoiseach was present.

    Finally, a lot of people have spent the last year attacking Government decisions on Covid and demanding that we follow other countries. Maybe we should have a bit of perspective.
    If Ireland was like the UK we would have had 4,340 more deaths.

    Like the EU Average? 3,243 more deaths.
    The careful approach taken by Government has saved countless lives and we intend to continue adopting a safe approach until the majority of our population is vaccinated to save more lives.

    Well at least you got a reply. i emailed my TD Emer Higgins who I voted for in the last election and didn't even get an acknowledgement. That's the last time she will be getting my vote.


  • #2389
    paw patrol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭paw patrol


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Ronan Glynn interview on NT now. Same old nonsense from him. "Long Covid" even mentioned :rolleyes:

    Stumbled when asked about the actual level of risk of hospitalisation to young people.. "you don't want to be the exception though" was basically his response.

    It's absolute nonsense and hysteria from supposed "experts". I am genuinely at the point where I couldn't care less about his (and his colleagues) crying wolf to try and keep themselves relevant at this stage.

    it's funny, people who are anti-vaxx or vaccine hesitant are lashed out of it for the very same logic.


  • #2390
    JeffKenna
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,640 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    paw patrol wrote: »
    it's funny, people who are anti-vaxx or vaccine hesitant are lashed out of it for the very same logic.

    I agree.
    As far as I can see the main people now at risk are those 60+ waiting on the second dose of AZ. Open the centres 24 hours a day and get those done and let's reopen.


  • #2391
    Klonker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Ronan Glynn interview on NT now. Same old nonsense from him. "Long Covid" even mentioned :rolleyes:

    Stumbled when asked about the actual level of risk of hospitalisation to young people.. "you don't want to be the exception though" was basically his response.

    It's absolute nonsense and hysteria from supposed "experts". I am genuinely at the point where I couldn't care less about his (and his colleagues) crying wolf to try and keep themselves relevant at this stage.

    When you hear long covid thrown out you really know they are struggling.


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  • #2392
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,948 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1410698656261476355?s=19

    The UK CMO agrees to lift ALL restrictions this moment. Meanwhile our one wants us primed for another lockdown that we never came out of.

    Its very hard not to advise young people that the best thing they could do for their future is to move to the UK, a place that unlike Ireland actively wants to take the pandemic noose off their neck.

    Ireland has made it quite clear that it doesn't give a **** about its kids, if it wanted to intentionally sabotage their futures it couldn't have done that any better than it has in recent years.

    Now the kids look at a place that is a world apart in terms of intent and energy to get something done. Yes Brexit was a cluster**** and a huge mistake but the UK never hid under their beds in the same fashion as the cowardly Irish have, they have always been pumping to get going again and I think a lot of young people will see that and desire that.

    Yet again I can see another huge brain drain of our youth emigrating and going to places that will give them better opportunities.


  • #2393
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,043 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Both Minister Donnelly and Deputy CMO Dr Ronan Glynn coming across well on morning ireland this morning.

    Well briefed, giving clear responses, acknowledging frustrations but remaining hopeful and confident


  • #2394
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Ballynally wrote: »
    amen.
    It seems Ireland is willing to sacrifice the healthy population and economy in order to protect the vulnerable, the ones likely to be the most cautious.That caution will protect them but yes, some will suffer, some will die.
    Some of the relatively healthy people will also get (long) Covid19.It seems the UK is prepared to take the hit for the sake of the country as a whole, though their initial Delta nrs were much higher so the impact of multipliers idem ditto.

    How do you work that out? The aim is to get as many people vaccinated here by the end of August as possible.

    So no there's no "willing to sacrificing the healthy population" in any plan here. Maybe you have mixed up countries or something.

    The UK is a basket case of flip flop policies with Boris promising just anything to stay in power. He promised British people they could would be all free to go on holidays anywhere they liked in May and look how that's worked out. Take a look at social media over there if you think things are better or that people are not seriously pissed off.


  • #2395
    the kelt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,893 ✭✭✭the kelt


    JeffKenna wrote: »
    I agree.
    As far as I can see the main people now at risk are those 60+ waiting on the second dose of AZ. Open the centres 24 hours a day and get those done and let's reopen.

    To be honest I don’t believe that people have any faith any more that even if we get those vaccinated it will make any difference.

    I don’t, if I’m being honest, not after what’s gone on this week where anything can be just thrown out there with proven incomplete data that no one even wants to get verified and just taken as gospel.


  • #2396
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,109 ✭✭✭prunudo


    JeffKenna wrote: »
    I agree.
    As far as I can see the main people now at risk are those 60+ waiting on the second dose of AZ. Open the centres 24 hours a day and get those done and let's reopen.

    From what I can tell, and made more clear the last few days. Nphet in particular the cmo don't want to open up for a long time to come.


  • #2397
    walus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭walus


    Looking at the developments of the last two weeks, ff the end goal here isn't zero covid, and we were told it isn't, what is it then?
    Does anybody among the 'men in high castle' actually know at this stage?

    ”Where’s the revolution? Come on, people you’re letting me down!”



  • #2398
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,260 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Both Minister Donnelly and Deputy CMO Dr Ronan Glynn coming across well on morning ireland this morning.

    Well briefed, giving clear responses, acknowledging frustrations but remaining hopeful and confident

    Not how he (Glynn) came across on NT anyway. Same old nonsense they've been peddling for months.

    As I've said before, we're actually worse off in many ways than we were this time last year.


  • #2399
    lee_baby_simms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,497 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Is it just me or is the latest HSE/Government "there are better days ahead. We can do this" radio ad even more infantile and patronising than their "hold firm" nonsense?

    Then they wonder why people don't care anymore.

    “We can now see the light at the end of tunnel…it’s just beyond the unstoppable tsunami of death that is about to devastate the country.”


  • #2400
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,229 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    FileNotFound wrote: »
    In fairness I think we are testing at 10 times the rate of other EU nations. So will naturally find more cases.

    That’s not correct.
    The maps on this page show testing rates and positivity rates. We are middle of the road in testing.
    Denmark for example is testing about 600,000 a day and has a similar population to us.
    Most of the green countries test more than us and have their poisitivity rates below 1%

    https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/situation-updates/weekly-maps-coordinated-restriction-free-movement


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  • #2401
    JeffKenna
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,640 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    the kelt wrote: »
    To be honest I don’t believe that people have any faith any more that even if we get those vaccinated it will make any difference.

    I don’t, if I’m being honest, not after what’s gone on this week where anything can be just thrown out there with proven incomplete data that no one even wants to get verified and just taken as gospel.

    Can't argue with that. I'm just disillusioned with the handling of the the whole thing. This is the same crowd who went against nursing homes restricting access to visitors at the beginning of last year. No critique of their performance at all.


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