Derek Chauvin murder trial (George Floyd)

take everything wrote: »

I asked a question.
Yet you seem to know what I think.

what do you think? do you think he was only convicted and received the sentence he did because of a fear of riots?

take everything wrote: »

I don't know.
That's why I asked the question.

Yeah right. You just happened to ask a leading question. Entirely innocent like.

Tell me how wrote: »

Because it is in another in a long line of incidents where black people watch police use excessive force against members of their community resulting in them being killed.

You might disagree with this, but you're around these discussions long enough to know the premise behind this viewpoint and that this is the foundation of the BLM protests which you've said you abhor.

Race wasn't brought up in the trial. I wonder why? Maybe because there is zero evidence that there was a racial aspect to this incident?

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

or perhaps because they couldn't prove it beyond a reasonable so relied on the considerable amount of evidence they had for murder?

Or perhaps there wasn't a shred of evidence.

By the way, they wouldn't have to prove a racial element beyond a reasonable doubt, they only had to do that with the murder charge.

Mic 1972 wrote: »

The old argument of blacks being killed by the cops more frequently than whites has been debunked countless times

here is another stats

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=117518813&postcount=3080

Again, numerically, but not proportionally. Black men are 2.5 times more likely to be killed by police than white men.

BattleCorp wrote: »

According to the FBI, in 2019, 55.9% of homicide offenders were black. Black people represent way less than 55.9% of the population. They represent about 13.4% of the population. https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3.xls

So, are black people more violent or more likely to commit homicide than other races? It's a legitimate question given those statistics.

And if that's the case, logic dictates that they would be more violent towards the police and that might explain why they are killed at a greater rate that white people.

I don't dispute that. It might also explain why police are more violent to and treat black people worse to begin with even when not under threat, which would indicate potential racial bias in their dealings with black people. Why they're quicker to draw or fire their guns at black people, why they're quicker to try and take down a black suspect than try to de-escalate situations. It might also indicate potential racial bias by Chauvin when dealing with Floyd, even though there was no obvious evidence which could be presented to support such in court.

Nonetheless, black people are more likely to be killed by police than white people.

Mic 1972 wrote: »

what's the ratio of blacks being involved with crime compared to whites
I'm sure there is a correlation with the deaths

You said;

Mic 1972 wrote: »

The old argument of blacks being killed by the cops more frequently than whites has been debunked countless times

Do you now agree based on the statistics that black people are more likely to be killed than white people?

Mic 1972 wrote: »

No, as many said before

you need to look at the ratio of black v whites population, black v whites ratio of involvement with crime, brack v white ratio of killings by the cops

and you need to understand the difference between absolute numbers and per capita numbers. let us know when you figure that out.

Mic 1972 wrote: »

since logic isnt your strongest skill, see below for more details

My logic is grand thanks. yours on the other hand ...

The old argument of blacks being killed by the cops more frequently than whites has been debunked countless times

is nonsense you have keep reposting in the hope that repetition might make it true.

Deleted User wrote: »

Expand on that if you will.

What part do I need to expand on, the hypocrisy is obvious... Posters go out of their way to provide excuses for US police officers that they'd never give for RUC officers who acted the same way. Similarly, key parts of the Good Friday agreement voted overwhelmingly by the Irish people align with demands of anti-police protesters in the US - who some here claim are 'crazy' demands that would end civilisation as we know it.

Take the below (I'm not calling the poster here hypocritical as I haven't seen them post some of the disgusting stuff you and others come out with).

briany wrote: »

I can understand from just a human standpoint how a police officer might become jaded towards black people if all they do day in day out is run up on predominantly black gang bangers in some inner city area. It's still not any kind of excuse, though, if that officer uses excessive force against someone due to an acquired prejudice.

Imagine making the statement on boards or any pub in Ireland that from a human standpoint how an RUC officer who had just been sentenced to murder of an unarmed Catholic person for choking them to death for 9 minutes might have justifiably become jaded towards the Catholic community in the north given the terrorism, crime, and violence coming from that community.

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm sorry foxtrol, I can't in good conscience engage with you further until you tell me what "disgusting stuff" I come out with.

These types of baseless and insulting statements need to be challenged as it seems to be a go to tactic in order to dismiss a differing opinion.

Just yesterday you called BLM protesters 'racist thugs'. Would you label all catholic protesters in the north during troubles 'thugs' due to the actions of a minority who regularly turned protests violent? Some Bloody Sunday protesters were throwing rocks at police - were all those protesters also 'thugs'? I'd call those kind of statements disgusting.