Derek Chauvin murder trial (George Floyd)

Muahahaha

Officer Derek Chavin goes on trial today charged with the homicide of George Floyd, if found guilty he is facing up to 40 years in prison.

The prosecution is largely based on the 9 minute long video of Chauvin pressing his knee into Floyds neck. The defence is going to claim that Chavin did nothing outside of his police training and that Floyds death came about because of drugs in his system and an underlying heart condition. The official autopsy found that his death was a homicide.

Witnesses include a then 17 year old girl who filmed the video on her phone and a police dispatcher who watched events unfold live on CCTV and alerted her supervisor about his treatment.

Its unknown if Chavin himself will take the stand. The trial will also open up answers about the previous relationship between Floyd and Chavin- they both worked as security together for a bar in Minnesota. The trial itself is expected to last 4-5 weeks. The other three police officers involved in the incident will face trial themselves in August.

Eric Cartman

Unfortunate what happened, trying to restrain a man that size who is high on stimulants would be problematic for anyone. Hopefully his mistake doesn't see him behind bars for life.

osarusan

On some occasions, I can have a fair degree of sympathy for police who made a split decision to pull the trigger only for it to turn out that the person wasn't armed. In the words of Springsteen, 'Is it a gun? Is it a knife? Is it a wallet? This is your life.' And I get that the police need a certain leeway, a certain degree of immunity, to be able to police properly.

But kneeling on somebody's neck for 9 minutes, as they tell you they can't breathe, as they then pass out and die...I believe there is absolutely no excuse for that, none whatsoever, no matter what the training manual might say.

walshb

osarusan wrote: »

On some occasions, I can have a fair degree of sympathy for police who made a split decision to pull the trigger only for it to turn out that the person wasn't armed. In the words of Springsteen, 'Is it a gun? Is it a knife? Is it a wallet? This is your life.' And I get that the police need a certain leeway, a certain degree of immunity, to be able to police properly.

But kneeling on somebody's neck for 9 minutes, as they tell you they can't breathe, as they then pass out and die...I believe there is absolutely no excuse for that, none whatsoever, no matter what the training manual might say.

And he seemed to revel in doing it!!!

punisher5112

Absolutely crazy mentality over in the states, such a weird culture to kill, riot and kill......

Nuts.

The guy was a career criminal, he was off his face on drugs which they believe he took as soon as cops showed up. They called for medical as they knew he wasn't right, he wouldn't comply, many a officer has been shot and killed even by one in hand cuffs.

He was most likely going to die either way

AbusesToilets

I'd expect Chauvin to not be convicted, perhaps a negligence charge in the end. His defense will probably be framed on Floyd's behavior prior to his death, and in previous arrests; and also that Chauvin followed his departments standard procedures from r restraining a combative suspect.

Melanchthon

AbusesToilets wrote: »

I'd expect Chauvin to not be convicted, perhaps a negligence charge in the end. His defense will probably be framed on Floyd's behavior prior to his death, and in previous arrests; and also that Chauvin followed his departments standard procedures from r restraining a combative suspect.

I don't think he did follow the process though, and doesn't he have a spotty record too.
Imagine he will get whatever the equivalent of manslaughter is in the USA.

silverharp

I'd predict not guilty on anything in the murder category, it will be a fiery not guilty though

Effects

NEET Sumpremicist wrote: »

No real loss to society.

You probably aren't much loss to society either, but I wouldn't want to see you dead for no real reason.

mickdw

walshb wrote: »

And he seemed to revel in doing it!!!

No excuse at all for the cop in that scenario.
I didnt like the circus that the floyd family legal team created today before the trial. Long, drawn out speeches by legal team and family all along the lines of black man good - white man bad.
It is not what is needed in this scenario - surely everything should be done to prevent riot type behaviour. Let the trial go ahead, let the cop get life in prison and let lessons be learned.
There is nothing to be gained from riling up the black population.

kildare lad

walshb wrote: »

And he seemed to revel in doing it!!!

I think there was more to it than it being about race. I think they knew each other previously as they worked at the same club so there could be bad blood there . In the cops camera everything was going along normally till he started freaking out when they tried to put him in the squad car . So for everyone thinking he just arrested him and started kneeling on his neck it didn't just happen like that . I'm not trying to justify what the cop done but I don't think the cop will get done for murder , as murder has to be premeditated. I still think he'll get locked up though .

Eric Cartman

silverharp wrote: »

I'd predict not guilty on anything in the murder category, it will be a fiery not guilty though

I don't see how they can go with murder on it, but my god it will not be well received by the public.

Im personally predicting manslaughter unless they can truly hammer home the toxicology report evidence. The public won't like it but its the right thing to do, 8-10 years.

jam_mac_jam

I hope he is found guilty. I hate to say that in case he is not guilty but I would say the violence that would happen afterwards would be horrible.

I think he probably is guilty but there are questions about the amount of drugs in his system.

I wouldn't like to be on the jury.

Smee_Again

mickdw wrote: »

Let the trial go ahead, let the cop get life in prison and let lessons be learned.

Neither of those things will happen.

MrStuffins

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Unfortunate what happened, trying to restrain a man that size who is high on stimulants would be problematic for anyone. Hopefully his mistake doesn't see him behind bars for life.

He killed the man unnecessarily.

He should go to prison for manslaughter at the very least.

retro:electro

Muahahaha wrote: »

Officer Derek Chavin goes on trial today charged with the homicide of George Floyd, if found guilty he is facing up to 40 years in prison.

The prosecution is largely based on the 9 minute long video of Chauvin pressing his knee into Floyds neck. The defence is going to claim that Chavin did nothing outside of his police training and that Floyds death came about because of drugs in his system and an underlying heart condition. The official autopsy found that his death was a homicide.

Witnesses include a then 17 year old girl who filmed the video on her phone and a police dispatcher who watched events unfold live on CCTV and alerted her supervisor about his treatment.

Its unknown if Chavin himself will take the stand. The trial will also open up answers about the previous relationship between Floyd and Chavin- they both worked as security together for a bar in Minnesota. The trial itself is expected to last 4-5 weeks. The other three police officers involved in the incident will face trial themselves in August.

Those things didn’t kill him in that moment though. The person kneeling on his neck did. But for the fact that a police officer happened to be kneeling on his neck for 9 minutes, slowly cutting off his oxygen supply to the degree that he could no longer breathe, he would not have died.

Can you imagine the craic if he gets off.

osarusan

kildare lad wrote: »

I'm not trying to justify what the cop done but I don't think the cop will get done for murder , as murder has to be premeditated. I still think he'll get locked up though .

He's charged with 2nd degree murder, 2nd degree manslaughter, and 3rd degree murder, none of which require premeditation in terms of intent to murder.

Where they differ is whether the was an intent to harm (2nd degree murder), or whether there was 'depraved indifference' to the life of the victim (3rd degree).

I think if he is convicted of anything, it'll be 3rd degree murder.

Eric Cartman

MrStuffins wrote: »

He killed the man unnecessarily.

He should go to prison for manslaughter at the very least.

Thats what I think will happen, as I said an unfortunate accident while trying to restrain a drug crazed criminal resisting arrest.

penny piper

I think the second witness for the state was terrible.....she came across as unreliable.....she couldn't remember this/that.... I thought she was an embarrassment for the state to have bothered putting her on the stand.....chauvan's lawyer was equally bad ...he seems to ramble on with each witness and not get anywhere......It does look like chauvan used excessive force....but looking at the police trying to get floyd into the police car it was obvious floyd was resisting arrest.......chauvan will pay a high price...not so sure he should do though.....

wicklowstevo

America is a toilet

if he is convicted regardless of the scentence blm will riot
if he gets off blm will riot
if its a mistrial blm will riot
if its shown that he was going to die any way blm will riot
if he Floyd was white ………..

Itssoeasy

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

Can you imagine the craic if he gets off.

Well if he gets off I hope the Minneapolis police dept have watched the documentary on the LA riots.

kildare lad

osarusan wrote: »

He's charged with 2nd degree murder, 2nd degree manslaughter, and 3rd degree murder, none of which require premeditation in terms of intent to murder.

Where they differ is whether the was an intent to harm (2nd degree murder), or whether there was 'depraved indifference' to the life of the victim (3rd degree).

I think if he is convicted of anything, it'll be 3rd degree murder.

How long would he do inside , if that's the case. I wouldn't like to be the judge trial , don't give enough of a sentence and it could be a long summer again.

CtevenSrowder

osarusan wrote: »

He's charged with 2nd degree murder, 2nd degree manslaughter, and 3rd degree murder, none of which require premeditation in terms of intent to murder.

Where they differ is whether the was an intent to harm (2nd degree murder), or whether there was 'depraved indifference' to the life of the victim (3rd degree).

I think if he is convicted of anything, it'll be 3rd degree murder.

Yes I think it'll be third degree too. I'm surprised he didn't try for a plea bargain for third degree personally.

Eric Cartman

MrStuffins wrote: »

What are the bets that those calling for this guy to get away with this killing are the same lads who want no Covid restrictions, call Trump the greatest US President, spend a lot of time talking about immigration and use the term "woke" a lot?

25 posts, I thought it would appear sooner, every damn thread.

osarusan

kildare lad wrote: »

How long would he do inside , if that's the case. I wouldn't like to be the judge trial , don't give enough of a sentence and it could be a long summer again.

https://news.sky.com/story/everything-you-need-to-know-as-derek-chauvin-goes-on-trial-for-murder-of-george-floyd-12243018

Second-degree murder carries a sentence of up to 40 years in prison.
Prosecutors will have to prove beyond reasonable doubt Chauvin caused Mr Floyd's death while committing or attempting to commit a related felony - third-degree assault here.
They will not have to prove he intended to cause Mr Floyd's death.


Second-degree manslaughter has up to 10 years jail time.
Prosecutors will have to prove beyond reasonable doubt Chauvin caused Mr Floyd's death by "culpable negligence" - that he created unreasonable risk and consciously chose to cause death or serious harm.
Police are authorised to use force so prosecutors will have to prove the force he used was unlawful.


Third-degree murder can mean up to 25 years in prison. Prosecutors must prove Chauvin's actions caused Mr Floyd's death, and were reckless and without regard for human life.

kildare lad

penny piper wrote: »

I think the second witness for the state was terrible.....she came across as unreliable.....she couldn't remember this/that.... I thought she was an embarrassment for the state to have bothered putting her on the stand.....chauvan's lawyer was equally bad ...he seems to ramble on with each witness and not get anywhere......It does look like chauvan used excessive force....but looking at the police trying to get floyd into the police car it was obvious floyd was resisting arrest.......chauvan will pay a high price...not so sure he should do though.....

Would a witness matter much as everything is caught on camera ?

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

25 posts, I thought it would appear sooner, every damn thread.

Like taxes and death

CtevenSrowder

osarusan wrote: »

https://news.sky.com/story/everything-you-need-to-know-as-derek-chauvin-goes-on-trial-for-murder-of-george-floyd-12243018

Oh, I think he will be done for the manslaughter charge then. And surprised he didn't try take a plea bargain for that.

MrStuffins

Eric Cartman wrote: »

25 posts, I thought it would appear sooner, every damn thread.

Yup! The truth hurts

kildare lad

osarusan wrote: »

https://news.sky.com/story/everything-you-need-to-know-as-derek-chauvin-goes-on-trial-for-murder-of-george-floyd-12243018

Thanks, I'd say there's a lot of political pressure to give him a stiff sentence . If he got a sentence of about 20 years it might cool all the hot heads. I think with covid and restrictions , the last thing politicians and cops in America want , is more rioting and death along with 2 billion worth of damage like they caused last year

Eric Cartman

kildare lad wrote: »

Thanks, I'd say there's a lot of political pressure to give him a stiff sentence . If he got a sentence of about 20 years it might cool all the hot heads. I think with covid and restrictions , the last thing politicians and cops in America want , is more rioting and death along with 2 billion worth of damage like they caused last year

its a sad day when somebody has to receive a harsher sentence just to stop riots and destruction, but sure thats America now.

Snickers Man

wicklowstevo wrote: »

America is a toilet

if he is convicted regardless of the scentence blm will riot
if he gets off blm will riot
if its a mistrial blm will riot
if its shown that he was going to die any way blm will riot
if he Floyd was white ………..

There are a lot of white people who support BLM in the US. From this distance it's hard to be sure but I suspect there are a lot of generally low-income people in the US who are at the end of their tether with regard to state-sanctioned killings and are saying "enough is enough".

BLM is a convenient slogan and the basic message resonates. Stop killing us!!

BLM isn't just about black people.

wicklowstevo

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

Oh, I think he will be done for the manslaughter charge then. And surprised he didn't try take a plea bargain for that.

not a hope in the world would the state agree to a plea nor would one be offered

America would burn for months

Eric Cartman

wicklowstevo wrote: »

not a hope in the world would the state agree to a plea nor would one be offered

America would burn for months

this is it. There is a possibility its all a show trial and the guy is getting life for murder just to stop cities burning

Sandor Clegane

Id give a fair amount of leeway to guards being rough when tackling a guy or restraining someone who is resisting...

But the man knelt on his neck pressing his full bodyweight down on him for 9 minutes when he was flat on his stomach and not resisting plus complaining of not being able to breath...

Regarding what was in Floyd's system, drugs or no drugs this cop had a pivotal role in this mans death, at the very least voluntary manslaughter but I wouldn't argue murder, cop deserves everything thats coming to him.

Itssoeasy

Sandor Clegane wrote: »

Id give a fair amount of leeway to guards being rough when tackling a guy or restraining someone who is resisting...

But the man knelt on his neck pressing his full bodyweight down on him for 9 minutes when he was flat on his stomach and not resisting plus complaining of not being able to breath...

Regarding what was in Floyd's system, drugs or no drugs this cop had a pivotal role in this mans death, at the very least voluntary manslaughter but I wouldn't argue murder, cop deserves everything thats coming to him.

That is the most damaging piece of evidence against the defendant because there was no need to kneel like that for nine minutes and when you hear someone saying “I can’t breath...” your natural reaction is to check and try and help them. Did he try and pepper spray a paramedic who tried to check on George floyd ? That’s a bizarre thing to do if I’m remembering that right.

alchemist33

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Thats what I think will happen, as I said an unfortunate accident while trying to restrain a drug crazed criminal resisting arrest.

Give over. Did Chauvin accidentally keep his knee on Floyd's neck for nearly three minutes when he knew he had no pulse?

AbusesToilets

Itssoeasy wrote: »

That is the most damaging piece of evidence against the defendant because there was no need to kneel like that for nine minutes and when you hear someone saying “I can’t breath...” your natural reaction is to check and try and help them. Did he try and pepper spray a paramedic who tried to check on George floyd ? That’s a bizarre thing to do if I’m remembering that right.

Problem was , Floyd was saying he couldn't breathe well before he was put on the ground. Likely the cops thought he was spoofing. Also heard there's evidentof him doing similar in a previous arrest to try and buy time to dispose of drugs, but haven't seen anything definitive on that.

MrStuffins

Eric Cartman wrote: »

this is it. There is a possibility its all a show trial and the guy is getting life for murder just to stop cities burning

Nope.

He'll go to prison because he killed a man.

It couldn't be any clearer. It was caught on video.

BorneTobyWilde

Should be guilty, all of them should be. Of course these are cops, the most corrupt people on earth, so anything is possible.

Even the arrest video shows corruption and the fact they were dirty cops, passing drugs, pocketing drugs.

Curse These Metal Hands

MrStuffins wrote: »

Nope.

He'll go to prison because he killed a man.

It couldn't be any clearer. It was caught on video.

If only it were that simple. I think it will be the lesser of charges. The whole thing hinges on which autopsy the jury buy, the one that indicates the knee as the sole cause of the one that lists substances, heart condition, covid 19 and the knee as the cause. Basically asking 12 lay people to choose which medical evidence they believe.

Couple that with America's history of convicting cops..

MrStuffins

Curse These Metal Hands wrote: »

If only it were that simple. I think it will be the lesser of charges. The whole thing hinges on which autopsy the jury buy, the one that indicates the knee as the sole cause of the one that lists substances, heart condition, covid 19 and the knee as the cause. Basically asking 12 lay people to choose which medical evidence they believe.

The autopsy ruled the death as homicide.

We've all seen the video. Anyone trying the "well he had drugs in his system" is playing a game. There is no doubt that the police officer killed him. None!

Curse These Metal Hands

MrStuffins wrote: »

The autopsy ruled the death as homicide.

We've all seen the video. Anyone trying the "well he had drugs in his system" is playing a game. There is no doubt that the police officer killed him. None!

There are two autopsies. I'm inclined to agree with you, but the job is to convince the jury and the defences case isn't entirely flimsy.

MrStuffins

Curse These Metal Hands wrote: »

There are two autopsies.

Which both say he died by homicide

Curse These Metal Hands

MrStuffins wrote: »

Which both say he died by homicide

That doesn't mean murder. Again, I think the defence can create enough doubt to get the lesser charge. But we'll see, I hope there's a prison sentence regardless.

DerekC16

What's the racial make up of the jury?

MrStuffins

Curse These Metal Hands wrote: »

That doesn't mean murder.

No, but it means he was killed by a human being.

The human being in this case being the man accused of for murder.

SEPT 23 1989

I hope for the sake of innocent people and business owners in cities across America he is sent down

Lundstram

Police have a duty of care to themselves, colleagues and the public when aprehending criminals. Floyd had a history of violence and was drugged up to the eye balls. Obviously they have a duty of care to Floyd too but one would have to ask was there immediate danger to police and the public? I would probably say with hesitation, yes. Floyd was unpredictable and angry. Having said that, police out numbered him and to stick a knee on him for the length and with that force is a manslaughter charge. There was no need whatsoever for that kind of action, Chauvin deserves time for sure. No one deserves to die in that fashion, no matter what they did.

Interesting trial ahead. Like a few posters said above, the cop will most likely serve big time in order to keep the peace, there will be uproar if he walks free.

Curse These Metal Hands

MrStuffins wrote: »

No, but it means he was killed by a human being.

The human being in this case being the man accused of for murder.

And manslaughter. The lesser charge...