Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings

hynesie08 · 22-06-2021 09:47PM

zackory wrote: »

Taoiseach says the Government is "concerned" about the Delta variant; public health advice will be received next week about the return of indoor hospitality and expanded gatherings, but plans are "under close review". "Everything we do is subject to ongoing public health advice."

So, same as it has been since day 1.

22-06-2021 09:47PM

zackory wrote: »

Taoiseach says the Government is "concerned" about the Delta variant; public health advice will be received next week about the return of indoor hospitality and expanded gatherings, but plans are "under close review". "Everything we do is subject to ongoing public health advice."

Much better had they said they were ignoring it and not constantly reviewing information as it becomes available, hey?

hynesie08 · 22-06-2021 09:48PM

giveitholly wrote: »

You have some obsession with that poster,and laughing at him in another thread,why don't you use the ignore button

Because it's a discussion forum, maybe you ignore everyone with a differing view, I just ask them to back up their claims.

_Kaiser_ · 22-06-2021 09:48PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

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So what that says is that Michael is lining up for another delay and already positioning himself to hide behind NPHET and Tony again.

Tony of course will claim that they just give advice.

It's the perfect scenario for both sides. Each can blame the other and neither will face any consequences or accountability. Sure it's the public, business and the economy caught between them, but who cares right?

Silentcorner · 22-06-2021 09:50PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Unbelievable. “Let’s cherry pick the country where I think everything aligned seasonally, even though it actually doesn’t, and ignore everything else because it doesn’t suit the lazy narrative”. There is nothing wrong with being wrong. It doesn’t even mean having to acknowledge that some measures may have been warranted. There are other valid arguments.

You are the one cherry picking.....

I am only concerned with our data...Irish data....there is 16 months of it!!!!

My god you haven't an ounce of self awareness and loads of self importance...it's nuts!!!

22-06-2021 09:51PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

So what that says is that Michael is lining up for another delay and already positioning himself to hide behind NPHET and Tony again.

Tony of course will claim that they just give advice.

It's the perfect scenario for both sides. Each can blame the other and neither will face any consequences or accountability. Sure it's the public, business and the economy caught between them, but who cares right?

Yes, politicians love nothing better than making unpopular decisions.

RunningFlyer · 22-06-2021 09:53PM

Worth remembering that when we are being told of UK/Scotland etc delaying their relaxation of restrictions, that is for things such as social distancing, mask wearing, large scale events, nightclubs etc.

The stuff we are still waiting to reopen (eg. Indoor dining, proper crowds at sports events etc) have been open already there since May…

So I see no impediment to the plans for 5th July, but knowing our leaders, there could be complications for international travel/large events currently scheduled for later in July..

22-06-2021 09:53PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

You are the one cherry picking.....

I am only concerned with our data...Irish data....there is 16 months of it!!!!

My god you haven't an ounce of self awareness and loads of self importance...it's nuts!!!

Because of course the virus works differently with the ginger gene.

Christ, you won’t even look at something that challenges your narrative and are proud of the fact.

zackory · 22-06-2021 09:54PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

So, same as it has been since day 1.

Yep, a few days of kite flying, followed by nphet meeting, followed by cabinet leaks, followed by a state of the nation address Thursday week the details of which will be known to all and sundry before Martin does his routine.

Sobit1964 · 22-06-2021 09:56PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes, politicians love nothing better than making unpopular decisions.

I thought these decisions were supported by the majority and widely viewed as sensible by the public?

Wasn't there a poll recently?

hynesie08 · 22-06-2021 09:56PM

zackory wrote: »

Yep, a few days of kite flying, followed by nphet meeting, followed by cabinet leaks, followed by a state of the nation address Thursday week the details of which will be known to all and sundry before Martin does his routine.

Tis all pagentry, as long as the message is a positive one (and there's zero reason to believe it won't be) I'm happy to play along.

Silentcorner · 22-06-2021 09:59PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Because of course the virus works differently with the ginger gene.

Christ, you won’t even look at something that challenges your narrative and are proud of the fact.

I give up...you won't even look at Irish data, it's telling you when this thing is a danger....

Why the need for a narrative...we've been living with this since March 2020.

zackory · 22-06-2021 10:00PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

Tis all pagentry, as long as the message is a positive one (and there's zero reason to believe it won't be) I'm happy to play along.

Covid theatre I believe it's called

22-06-2021 10:00PM

With almost 4 million people vaccinated (basically most of the vulnerable) a delay in reducing the next set of restrictions is very concerning for me that they won't let this farce go.
Why bother getting vaccinated?
Can see it being groundhog day again like last year.
Bring on the winter and seasonal flu.

Piehead · 22-06-2021 10:04PM

Delta plus could be a game changer. Makes sense to delay openings and possibly prepare for level 5 so schools can open in September

Graham · 22-06-2021 10:07PM

tommybrees wrote: »

With almost 4 million people vaccinated (basically most of the vulnerable)

4 million?

hynesie08 · 22-06-2021 10:07PM

tommybrees wrote: »

With almost 4 million people vaccinated (basically most of the vulnerable) a delay in reducing the next set of restrictions is very concerning for me that they won't let this farce go.
Why bother getting vaccinated?
Can see it being groundhog day again like last year.
Bring on the winter and seasonal flu.

Right, but there's literally zero evidence they're planning on delaying the next set.

Leftwaffe · 22-06-2021 10:08PM

I actually can’t believe all the ****e talk that’s going on today. There’s fecking no one in hospital, basically no change in case numbers, and 3 or 4 million people vaccinated. Yet here we are, talking about delaying reopening.

People need to open their eyes and see what’s going on all across Europe. We are a complete and utter joke of a country. This whole pandemic has underlined this. A soft shambles of a nation.

zackory · 22-06-2021 10:08PM

Piehead wrote: »

Delta plus could be a game changer. Makes sense to delay openings and possibly prepare for level 5 so schools can open in September

Our pubs are important to us but our schools come first, haven't heard that one for a while.

hynesie08 · 22-06-2021 10:10PM

Leftwaffe wrote: »

I actually can’t believe all the ****e talk that’s going on today. There’s fecking no one in hospital, basically no change in case numbers, and 3 or 4 million people vaccinated. Yet here we are, talking about delaying reopening.

People need to open their eyes and see what’s going on all across Europe. We are a complete and utter joke of a country. This whole pandemic has underlined this. A soft shambles of a nation.

The irony being, the ones who are convinced we're delaying reopening, were throwing around terms like lockdown merchants a few weeks ago.

Feria40 · 22-06-2021 10:10PM

Piehead wrote: »

Delta plus could be a game changer. Makes sense to delay openings and possibly prepare for level 5 so schools can open in September

I haven't been following the last few pages here. But I presume this is just full on trolling?

22-06-2021 10:14PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

I give up...you won't even look at Irish data, it's telling you when this thing is a danger....

Why the need for a narrative...we've been living with this since March 2020.

I understand the Irish data far better that you for certain. Because each time I formed an opinion based on the data, I challenged my assumptions when new data emerged. And many times I was wrong and changed my view

I was wrong when I assumed as the first wave did not get here until March the seasonal effect would minimise the impact because it hit right at the end of the season.
I was wrong when I assumed cross immunity with other coronaviruses would help burn the virus out.
I was wrong when I dismissed rising case numbers last summer as only variation when a wider look showed clear steady stable increase from July through Oct (still before flu season), with no surge.
I was wrong when I assumed level 3 was all that was needed in the back end
I was wrong when I dismissed the role the uk variant would play after Christmas which was subsequently demonstrated in many more countries.

I believe I am right when I assume lockdown will not again be required for Covid.

Ignoring trends elsewhere is a very strange approach. It tells us what we may face and also gives an opportunity to avoid mistakes elsewhere.

Graham · 22-06-2021 10:15PM

Leftwaffe wrote: »

3 or 4 million people vaccinated. Yet here we are, talking about delaying reopening..

I thought we had about 1 million fully vaccinated so far and about 1.2 million first dose.

Am I looking at the wrong stats?

22-06-2021 10:18PM

Sobit1964 wrote: »

I thought these decisions were supported by the majority and widely viewed as sensible by the public?

Wasn't there a poll recently?

Supporting current measures and supporting a slowdown are not the same thing. And while some people may not like but back an unpopular decision it probably won’t influence their vote. Unlike those who oppose it.

normanoffside · 22-06-2021 10:20PM

Graham wrote: »

I thought we had about 1 million fully vaccinated so far and about 1.2 million first dose.

Am I looking at the wrong stats?

We are closing in on 4 millions doses given out according to Paul Reid

22-06-2021 10:23PM

normanoffside wrote: »

We are closing in on 4 millions doses given out according to Paul Reid

Excellent progress. Get as many second does done as we can and the second half of the year looks far brighter

Graham · 22-06-2021 10:23PM

normanoffside wrote: »

We are closing in on 4 millions doses given out according to Paul Reid

Thanks, I suspect some are confusing that with 3 or 4 million of the population vaccinated.

PTH2009 · 22-06-2021 10:28PM

Its not about having some pints indoors its the principle of the reopening and shows were truly moving on and getting out of this in major way but how can anyone not feel anxious and think back to last summer with the constant moving of goalposts and reopening dates changing every week because of this and that 'worry'

charlie14 · 22-06-2021 10:30PM

Graham wrote: »

Thanks, I suspect some are confusing that with 3 or 4 million of the population vaccinated.

We are presently around 65% of the adult population (52% 0f total population) first dose, and 35% of the adult population (28% of total population) fully vaccinated.
A small margin either way due to J&J being one shot, but not that much to make a great difference.

hynesie08 · 22-06-2021 10:33PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Its not about having some pints indoors its the principle of the reopening and shows were truly moving on and getting out of this in major way but how can anyone not feel anxious and think about to last summer and the constant moving of goalposts

Probably because 60% of the adult population have at least one vaccine in their arm.

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