Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

RunningFlyer

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Ah the old "just another 2 weeks" line. Not many seem to be buying it this time though.

I really hope you’re right but I’m not too sure.

km79

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Ah the old "just another 2 weeks" line. Not many seem to be buying it this time though.

I hope this is just kite flying and the public deliver an emphatic response on the airwaves today

Leo will hopefully be out later contradicting the other spineless gorm

Sammy2012

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Just a general disgust that delays are being floated by Micheal and co. Both Pascal and Stephen Donnelly are due on before 9 though so I'm sure they'll be asked for comment.

Stephen D on now. It's madness that they are talking about the delay in reopening. Imagine having a wedding booked for the weekend of the 10th and now being told it can't go ahead. All the venues and hotels and services not allowing to reopen. They really are trying their best to make the hospitality industry go bust.

Level 42

RTE want us locked down forever

VinLieger

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Whereas NT and its texters are actually massively against any delays citing that the level of risk/justification just isn't there.

ISAG got Staines on there this morning to keep the fearmongering going, thankfully it doesnt seem to have changed the text lines reaction.

ISAG may be winning the government and media over with their fearmongering lies but the public arent accepting them.

Denny61

Isn't it better to delay the reopening by another two weeks rather than open the gates .let everyone out and bingo we have big surges in the virus'then its all back to square one . lockdown downtown for months and months.wake up fools.plus I don't get this .. people mad for foreign travel.can those people not stay here in ireland.and support our own economy..no they much rather go over to foreign shores .. bring back the the virus and leave our economy in crisis..fools again..

CruelSummer

Level 42 wrote: »

RTE want us locked down forever

I can’t bear to watch or listen to them anymore. Just to get basic information. They’re an utter disgrace. Investigations are needed into media & why ISAG and others were allowed an unlimited platform to scaremonger & keep Ireland closed indefinitely. There is no justification either in case numbers or hospitalisations for a delay. We’re not even open as much as Scotland, NI or U.K yet as it stands.

_Kaiser_

km79 wrote: »

I hope this is just kite flying and the public deliver an emphatic response on the airwaves today

Leo will hopefully be out later contradicting the other spineless gorm

Leo is all about Leo and will say whatever he thinks will boost his profile. Fully expect him to say that nothing is decided yet, we'll consider the advice etc etc

Micheal of course is even weaker, will do what he's told, and at the end of his political career. Elements within FF are openly coming out against him and just waiting for the right time to eject him as leader. He won't be running next time out and he'll have achieved his only goal - to not be the only FF leader not to be Taoiseach.

_Kaiser_

Denny61 wrote: »

Isn't it better to delay the reopening by another two weeks rather than open the gates .let everyone out and bingo we have big surges in the virus'then its all back to square one . lockdown downtown for months and months.wake up fools.plus I don't get this .. people mad for foreign travel.can those people not stay here in ireland.and support our own economy..no they much rather go over to foreign shores .. bring back the the virus and leave our economy in crisis..fools again..

Replace "foreign travel" with "pubs" and this post could have come from any week before a decision point in the last 16 months

The Delta virus is NOT any more dangerous than any other variant (if anything it's even less so considering our actually vulnerable are almost all vaccinated and those who might get it will shake it off in almost all cases as nothing more than a mild cold).

KanyeSouthEast

Denny61 wrote: »

Isn't it better to delay the reopening by another two weeks rather than open the gates .let everyone out and bingo we have big surges in the virus'then its all back to square one . lockdown downtown for months and months.wake up fools.plus I don't get this .. people mad for foreign travel.can those people not stay here in ireland.and support our own economy..no they much rather go over to foreign shores .. bring back the the virus and leave our economy in crisis..fools again..

Are you ok with me going to Athlone?

Silentcorner

Deleted User wrote: »

I understand the Irish data far better that you for certain. Because each time I formed an opinion based on the data, I challenged my assumptions when new data emerged. And many times I was wrong and changed my view

I was wrong when I assumed as the first wave did not get here until March the seasonal effect would minimise the impact because it hit right at the end of the season.
I was wrong when I assumed cross immunity with other coronaviruses would help burn the virus out.
I was wrong when I dismissed rising case numbers last summer as only variation when a wider look showed clear steady stable increase from July through Oct (still before flu season), with no surge.
I was wrong when I assumed level 3 was all that was needed in the back end
I was wrong when I dismissed the role the uk variant would play after Christmas which was subsequently demonstrated in many more countries.

I believe I am right when I assume lockdown will not again be required for Covid.

Ignoring trends elsewhere is a very strange approach. It tells us what we may face and also gives an opportunity to avoid mistakes elsewhere.

You assumed all those things? Really...or are you just being typically infantile and taking points I made in a pathetic attempt to distract from your inability to see the Irish data for what it is....

I remember you from last year prattling on about the massive excess death we suffered from in 2020? Which never materialised....you have consistently supported whatever ridiculous Nphet Restrictions were imposed on us, you've never once admitted to being wrong!!!!

Ignoring Irish data is nonsensical, what do we think has changed in the last year?

VinLieger

Denny61 wrote: »

Isn't it better to delay the reopening by another two weeks rather than open the gates .let everyone out and bingo we have big surges in the virus'then its all back to square one . lockdown downtown for months and months.wake up fools.plus I don't get this .. people mad for foreign travel.can those people not stay here in ireland.and support our own economy..no they much rather go over to foreign shores .. bring back the the virus and leave our economy in crisis..fools again..

Why though? with the most vulnerable vaccinated even with the delta variant spike in infections the UK isnt seeing a rise in hospitalisations.

We need to get over case numbers and start watching hospitalisations and thanks to vaccinations they just are not happening in anywhere close to the numbers they were nor will they even with the delta variant.

leahyl

Pretty sure a lot of the population are in the "we are opening up" camp - I've booked 2 restaurants already for indoor dining :pac:

benny79

See now there saying they have discovered another variant in India and are calling it the Delta 2! Seriously enough is enough its beyond a joke at this stage! ffs ...lol...

JRant

Denny61 wrote: »

Isn't it better to delay the reopening by another two weeks rather than open the gates .let everyone out and bingo we have big surges in the virus'then its all back to square one . lockdown downtown for months and months.wake up fools.plus I don't get this .. people mad for foreign travel.can those people not stay here in ireland.and support our own economy..no they much rather go over to foreign shores .. bring back the the virus and leave our economy in crisis..fools again..

Why only 2 weeks? I mean, D'Variant, it's sooo dangerous that every other country in Europe with similar levels of vaccinations is locking down again. Oh, that's right, they aren't and are actually letting their citizens get back to normality.

The reason many look for foreign holidays is because it is so expensive here to bring a family away.

leahyl

Some sense:

"Speaking on RTÉ's Morning Ireland, Dr Gerald Barry said it is likely that Ireland will see a rise in cases, but this is unlikely to convert into a dramatic increase in hospitalisations and death, given the pace of the vaccination programme."

Stheno

leahyl wrote: »

Some sense:

"Speaking on RTÉ's Morning Ireland, Dr Gerald Barry said it is likely that Ireland will see a rise in cases, but this is unlikely to convert into a dramatic increase in hospitalisations and death, given the pace of the vaccination programme."

And from esteemed minister for health

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1407604630532595718?s=20

leahyl

Stheno wrote: »

And from esteemed minister for health

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1407604630532595718?s=20

Preparing everyone for not opening on the 5th, I see :mad:

_Kaiser_

JRant wrote: »

The reason many look for foreign holidays is because it is so expensive here to bring a family away.

Plus the weather generally sucks (aside from a few weeks in the summer months) - windy or as is the case this morning, overcast and wet.

Outdoor summer indeed! :rolleyes:

prunudo

I never bought into the casedemic narrative but there is a definite agenda being pushed by the media through government or interviewee soundbites over the last 48hrs to keep the fear going and encourage us not to ease restrictions yet.

The ease in which we just toy with peoples lives is quite something. I don’t think any of these decision makers have a grasp of how this affects ordinary workers and business owners. Collateral damage in a bizarre abundance of caution rollercoaster.

Denmark using antigens to stay open, the UK looking at abandoning SD and masks come the 19th, while we won’t let anyone indoors in case “cases”. All this based apparently on Philip Nolan’s modelling which supposedly is so accurate? Yeah, right.

shockframe

If they don't ease restrictions then there's no way back for Fianna Fail.

Denny61

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Replace "foreign travel" with "pubs" and this post could have come from any week before a decision point in the last 16 months

The Delta virus is NOT any more dangerous than any other variant (if anything it's even less so considering our actually vulnerable are almost all vaccinated and those who might get it will shake it off in almost all cases as nothing more than a mild cold).

So what you are saying that what nphet are saying and the government about been worried.is nonsense and they the experts are scare mongers and we should not be paying any heed to them as they are so wrong and you the expert is so right???eh

JRant

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Plus the weather generally sucks (aside from a few weeks in the summer months) - windy or as is the case this morning, overcast and wet.

Outdoor summer indeed! :rolleyes:

I can deal with the weather but just try and book something for a family of 4 in Ireland and the numbers are eye watering.

VinLieger

Denny61 wrote: »

So what you are saying that what nphet are saying and the government about been worried.is nonsense and they the experts are scare mongers and we should not be paying any heed to them as they are so wrong and you the expert is so right???eh

The likes of ISAG are scaremongers , theres literal leaked internal documents from their organization detailing one of their tactics to push their zero covid agenda is scaremongering.

JRant

Denny61 wrote: »

So what you are saying that what nphet are saying and the government about been worried.is nonsense and they the experts are scare mongers and we should not be paying any heed to them as they are so wrong and you the expert is so right???eh

It would appear our experts are completely out of kilter with their counterparts in the rest of the EU. Why is that exactly?

Hurrache

What's with the people who perpetually see fear in every little story, no matter how factual or real it is, and cry fear mongering? They really are afraid of their own shadow at this stage.

Hurrache

benny79 wrote: »

See now there saying they have discovered another variant in India and are calling it the Delta 2! Seriously enough is enough its beyond a joke at this stage! ffs ...lol...

No, "they're" not calling it Delta 2. And who's "they", do you think "they" are RTE and somehow manufactured it and releases it in India?

KrustyUCC

Martin leaving things over to NPHET as usual

"Asked if the Government would accept a Nphet recommendation to delay reopening by two to three weeks, Mr Martin said: “Yeah, I think there’s been a consistency of approach in terms of our relationship with Nphet in recent times, by and large, overall.”

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/rising-cases-of-the-covid-delta-variant-could-delay-reopening-taoiseach-micheal-martin-admits-40570533.html

It's funny the concerted campaign by ISAG and RTE seems to be baring fruit

That restaurants Court case will become more important if the government delay opening on the 5th

Same crap as last year just before reopening of hospitality

Sow seeds of doubt in week leading up to the announcement

No thought for the economy or people's livlihoods

giveitholly

Hurrache wrote: »

No, "they're" not calling it Delta 2. And who's "they", do you think "they" are RTE and somehow manufactured it and releases it in India?

It's called Delta Plus and RTE didn't make it up

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1407393192773881859?s=19