Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Do people not understand the difference between “the initial symptoms are different” and “ it’s just a cold bro”. Would love there to be evidence of reduced impacts but it’s not there. Do people understand where this variant originated and what happened?

normanoffside

normanoffside wrote: »

Yes, when Tony says something is worrying, the government jump by either tightening restrictions or loosening them more slowly than planned.
Always been right.

When has this happened apart from in your imagination?

Penfailed

normanoffside wrote: »

I knew when Tony posted that tweet yesterday that was where it was going.
Definitely time to get out of here.

Time to get offside?

Penfailed

normanoffside wrote: »

Yes, when Tony says something is worrying, the government jump by either tightening restrictions or loosening them more slowly than planned.
Always been right.

Yet you're still here.

Whatsisname

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You do know what’s a “variant”and what’s a “variant of concern” and understand why until there is a large majority of the population vaccinated we still should still monitor the situation? Pretending it will go away itself and ignoring it because we are fed up is not a strategy of a mature adult

Yes I do. Do you know how to disagree with someone’s opinion without resorting to passive aggressive digs?

paddyisreal

Deleted User wrote: »

Do people not understand the difference between “the initial symptoms are different” and “ it’s just a cold bro”. Would love there to be evidence of reduced impacts but it’s not there. Do people understand where this variant originated and what happened?

Yes there is evidence,
Delta variant dominant in the UK and no increase in hospitalised...
End of story, you are flogging a dead horse .
Don't be an ostrich

niallo27

Deleted User wrote: »

Do people not understand the difference between “the initial symptoms are different” and “ it’s just a cold bro”. Would love there to be evidence of reduced impacts but it’s not there. Do people understand where this variant originated and what happened?

Turn off your phone, watch the football. Your posts are so an embarrassment.

paddyisreal

paddyisreal wrote: »

Yes there is evidence,
Delta variant dominant in the UK and no increase in hospitalised...
End of story, you are flogging a dead horse .
Don't be an ostrich

Really?

Things are a lot better, hospitalisation rates are about 60% lower with the vaccinations having the impact but are increasing. Wishing otherwise won’t make it so.
It’s not a situation that requires a change of tack, but that does not mean it can be ignored.

Itssoeasy

I know it’s not about Ireland but Scotland have pushed their next reopening date back to the 19th of July.

DebDynamite

If we didn’t know anything about Delta and what was happening in England, we wouldn’t be concerned with anything right now regarding the situation here? In face, on the face it it, everything here is very positive.

Our percentage of the Delta variant has gone from 0% to 20% of our cases, but yet our cases numbers have stayed pretty static, in fact dropped, and our hospital numbers continue to fall. We're now being told the symptoms of the Delta variant are like that of a head cold or hayfever. Philip Nolan told us last week that the majority of our Delta cases have been intercepted at point of entry into the country, or just past the point of entry. It's not been allowed to circulate yet in the community like it has is the UK. We were also told last week that 80% of cases of the Delta variant are in Dublin. Have Dublin hospitals started to show an increase in admissions? No, they have not. All the while we’re administering over 300k vaccines per week.

Why are we looking at what happened in England? Their increase in the Delta variant emerged in the North of English after Eid (and all the celebrations and travel that go with that), amongst a cohort of people who have a known vaccine hesitancy, and live in more crowded accommodation. It's also happening at a time where the UK have lifted a lot of their restrictions, which we haven't gotten to yet. The majority of the vaccines administered there was Astra Zeneca, which has a 3 month gap. They were also spacing out their Pfizer vaccines too. Indeed, a study has shows that the rate of hospitalisations in the North West of England this time is slower than the rate of hospitalisations during the second wave last September.

Penfailed

niallo27 wrote: »

Stop Graham, you are really hanging in there now, your a laughing stock.

niallo27 wrote: »

Turn off your phone, watch the football. Your posts are so an embarrassment.

Hmmmm.

Silentcorner

Silentcorner wrote: »

I was just thinking the same about you....it's incomprehensible to me that you cannot determine the differences between flu seasons in different parts of the world.

It's crazy....let me try it this way.

The same virus will have the same impact in Dublin and Cork.

The same virus won't have the same impact between Miami and New York.

The same virus won't have the same impact between Ireland and Russia.

We are not on a knife edge...our health system can easily cope with the inevitable clusters between now and next winter....how do I know this....well just look at our data from last year...the numbers will pick up in Sept/Oct...like last year.

It’s incomprehensible to me that you cannot in 30 seconds verify that June in Moscow or October in Western Europe is not flu season.

zackory

Deleted User wrote: »

Really?

Things are a lot better, hospitalisation rates are about 60% lower with the vaccinations having the impact but are increasing. Wishing otherwise won’t make it so.
It’s not a situation that requires a change of tack, but that does not mean it can be ignored.

18th January 2021, 2020 people in hospital with covid.

June 22nd 2021, ~37 people in hospital with covid.

Where the fcuk are you going with this increasing hospitalisations.

zackory

Jesus Christ did I just hear some medic on RTE news saying "hold strong for just another couple of months"

paddyisreal

Deleted User wrote: »

Really?

Things are a lot better, hospitalisation rates are about 60% lower with the vaccinations having the impact but are increasing. Wishing otherwise won’t make it so.
It’s not a situation that requires a change of tack, but that does not mean it can be ignored.

I hope you are right and their is no change of tact .. At the end of the day imho this is here for the next couple of years at least and we will in the end have to live with it variants and all.

Itssoeasy

zackory wrote: »

Jesus Christ did I just hear some medic on RTE news saying "hold strong for just another couple of months"

I hope you misheard because if the powers that be pull that kind of approach they’ll lose the people completely. The government have made some awful mistakes in communication since they took office last summer, but surely to Christ they aren’t that stupid.

zackory

zackory wrote: »

18th January 2021, 2020 people in hospital with covid.

June 22nd 2021, ~37 people in hospital with covid.

Where the fcuk are you going with this increasing hospitalisations.

You might want to read the post I replied you. You can edit your post in you own time

paddyisreal

paddyisreal wrote: »

I hope you are right and their is no change of tact .. At the end of the day imho this is here for the next couple of years at least and we will in the end have to live with it variants and all.

We will but once at 80% vaccinated it can be with good confidence while still seeing is a booster programme required, especially for the older.

Silentcorner

Deleted User wrote: »

It’s incomprehensible to me that you cannot in 30 seconds verify that June in Moscow or October in Western Europe is not flu season.

Jesus your back again.....

The cases are rising in different parts of the world at different times of the year....flu season in one part of the world looks very different to flu season in others....

Please tell me you understand that basic fact!!!

Silentcorner

Silentcorner wrote: »

Jesus your back again.....

The cases are rising in different parts of the world at different times of the year....flu season in one part of the world looks very different to flu season in others....

Please tell me you understand that basic fact!!!

Did you not even look up flu season in Moscow, Western Europe or Ireland yet? It won’t take long

Silentcorner

Deleted User wrote: »

Did you not even look up flu season in Moscow, Western Europe or Ireland yet? It won’t take long

My god...how many times do I have to say this I don't care.

Outside of flu season the virus doesn't dissappear, you will get cases and clusters....in big cities, big clusters....

We still get cases and clusters....

It's summertime....

We only have to worry about wintertime when our health system is always stretched....

Why can't you look at the Irish data...it's all there!!!

PTH2009

Feeling very anxious today with all the news about the new variant and the potential them postponing the next set of relaxations

We all know when Tony is very concerned he gets what he wants

zackory

PTH2009 wrote: »

Feeling very anxious today with all the news about the new variant and the potential them postponing the next set of relaxations

We all know when Tony is very concerned he gets what he wants

Scotland have delayed their reopening.

Northern Ireland cases increasing.

Primetime ramping delta.

All very concerning.

The next 2 weeks are crucial.

hynesie08

PTH2009 wrote: »

Feeling very anxious today with all the news about the new variant and the potential them postponing the next set of relaxations

We all know when Tony is very concerned he gets what he wants

Link?

gozunda

MOH wrote: »

A bit like when Philip Nolan continued his "schools are perfectly safe" lie by claiming that just because cases started rising again after schools reopened, you couldn't equate correlation with causation.

This after they'd spend most of a year attributing blame based on nothing but spurious correlations. (Because without bothering to do proper contact tracing there was nothing else to go on).

Except that's not correct.

What Philip Nolan said was that "adults "starving" Covid-19 of opportunities to transmit is what allows schools to be safe"

Professor Philip Nolan, Chair of the Chair of NPHET Irish Epidemiological Modelling Advisory Group, has said that adults "starving" Covid-19 of opportunities to transmit is what allows schools to be safe.

https://mobile.twitter.com/president_mu/status/1296761284504047617

https://www.joe.ie/news/irish-schools-return-covid-safe-702201

In effect children returning to school was to be prioritised.

Whether the plan of "adults "starving" Covid-19 of opportunities to transmit allowed schools to be safe is a whole other discussion...

Silentcorner

Silentcorner wrote: »

My god...how many times do I have to say this I don't care.

Outside of flu season the virus doesn't dissappear, you will get cases and clusters....in big cities, big clusters....

We still get cases and clusters....

It's summertime....

We only have to worry about wintertime when our health system is always stretched....

Why can't you look at the Irish data...it's all there!!!

Unbelievable. “Let’s cherry pick the country where I think everything aligned seasonally, even though it actually doesn’t, and ignore everything else because it doesn’t suit the lazy narrative”. There is nothing wrong with being wrong. It doesn’t even mean having to acknowledge that some measures may have been warranted. There are other valid arguments.

mightyreds

hynesie08 wrote: »

Link?

Why are you following him around threads, you were laughing earlier at him in another thread, now trying to get him to respond so you can laugh again. It's not cool

giveitholly

hynesie08 wrote: »

Link?

You have some obsession with that poster,and laughing at him in another thread,why don't you use the ignore button

zackory

hynesie08 wrote: »

Link?

Taoiseach says the Government is "concerned" about the Delta variant; public health advice will be received next week about the return of indoor hospitality and expanded gatherings, but plans are "under close review". "Everything we do is subject to ongoing public health advice."

PTH2009

PTH2009 wrote: »

Feeling very anxious today with all the news about the new variant and the potential them postponing the next set of relaxations

We all know when Tony is very concerned he gets what he wants

When is this now or are we still making things up? The bogeyman mentions concern at least once every week