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First olympic transgender athlete to compete at Tokyo 2020 **MOD NOTE IN OP**

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    #122
    ebbsy
    Registered Users Posts: 6,739 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    I think its not fair, and I think its bull****.


    Why don't they have their own Olympics ?


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    #123
    [Deleted User]
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    I feel sorry for the other competitors who have dedicated a large part of their life to pursue their dream.


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    #124
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 39,611 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Next level trolling by New Zealand.

    The waters could have been tested with curling, shooting or equestrian or whatever discipline doesn't require mass amounts of strength.

    No straight to power lifting.

    :pac:


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    #125
    Vestiapx
    Registered Users Posts: 985 ✭✭✭Vestiapx


    Spudman_20000 wrote: »
    Can't wait to see what happens when this starts happening for sports people actually care about e.g. women's tennis, golf etc. 300 yard drives, 165 mph serves etc.

    Boxing judo and wrestling spring to mind.Anywhere with open heavyweight classes.

    I think it's a process and that once it reaches critical mass then changes will be made. Because otherwise women's sports will start looking very different. Imagine the pressure on college athletes to take Peds and their though processes now they are competing against other women who have the associated advantages of having gone through male puberty.


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    #126
    silverharp
    Registered Users Posts: 17,840 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    Re: Any potential boycott

    Going from the last Olympic event. Hubbard will be competing against women from the likes of

    China
    North Korea
    Egypt
    Nigeria
    Ukraine
    Venezuela
    Tunisia
    Georgia
    Algeria

    Other countries that are strong in weightlifting: Iran, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Romania, Armenia, Belarus.

    You think they'll be chuffed at how "Progressive" it is? :pac:

    They won't even share a locker room with Hubbard.

    Iran might approve, they are super progressive when it comes to trans issues

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #127
    Feisar
    Registered Users Posts: 6,608 ✭✭✭Feisar


    DeadHand wrote: »
    Personal responsibility still exists.

    The person involved should have had more integrity than to engage in this grim joke. Either they are wilfully cheating or breathtakingly self centred. Or both.

    They simply cannot be unaware of the mammoth physical advantages being a biological man gives them over women.

    Can you imagine the amount of yes men she has around her, telling her how fierce and brave she is. For someone who may have struggled to fit in that'll be like cat nip. She'll be a poster girl for some elements of the trans community.

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #128
    DeadHand
    Registered Users Posts: 2,721 ✭✭✭DeadHand


    silverharp wrote: »
    Iran might approve, they are super progressive when it comes to trans issues

    I wouldn’t call them super progressive on it, more that they despise homosexuality so viciously that they see transgender as an honourable way out of it.

    It’s arguably better than being publicly hanged, as is the fate of many gay men in Iran, but it’s still, at heart, the coercive emasculation and mutilation of homosexual men for being homosexual.

    I wouldn’t be looking to Iran as any beacon of progress.


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    #129
    silverharp
    Registered Users Posts: 17,840 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    DeadHand wrote: »
    I wouldn’t call them super progressive on it, more that they despise homosexuality so viciously that they see transgender as an honourable way out of it.

    It’s arguably better than being publicly hanged, as is the fate of many gay men in Iran, but it’s still, at heart, the coercive emasculation and mutilation of a homosexual men for being homosexual.

    I wouldn’t be looking to Iran as any beacon of progress.

    thats the joke... , but there Blue checkmarks out there that you would need to convince

    https://twitter.com/TitaniaMcGrath/status/1403303415162212353

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #130
    How Soon Is Now
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    How are mentally unstable people allowed compete at the Olympics?


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    #131
    BrianD3
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    Spudman_20000 wrote:
    Can't wait to see what happens when this starts happening for sports people actually care about e.g. women's tennis, golf etc. 300 yard drives, 165 mph serves etc.
    Won't happen. There's no money in women's (or men's) weightlifting and money trumps everything. We won't see transgender people being allowed to compete in lucrative sports like ladies tennis majors or golf tours.

    Just to show how lucrative women's golf is, here are the earnings on the LPGA tour vs the 2nd tier men's Korn Ferry tour. More work for less money on the latter yet any one of them would destroy the women on the LPGA tour - and this is in a sport with a high skill component.

    https://www.espn.com/golf/moneylist/_/tour/web

    https://www.lpga.com/statistics/money/official-money


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    #132
    Fandymo
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    Vestiapx wrote: »
    That guy is misgendering. Misgendering is disgusting. This is really a case of don't blame the player blame the game so if the Olympics allow transgender athletes then it's not a case of this lifter taking someones spot it's simply her spot.
    If the Olympics ban transgender athletes the repercussions are large. However it should simply be a matter of making the athletes pass a level of male hormones that is less than double the largest of non transgender athletes. Currently the levels of test allowed is many multiples of this.

    Change all sports to XX and XY chromosome groupings. Then we are back to fair competition.


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    #133
    Fandymo
    Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    Hego Damask wrote: »
    It is what it is.

    He is no more a woman than a monkey is a pig.
    That might hurt your feelings, but facts are facts.

    done deal.

    Facts are no longer allowed it seems. Feels mean more. The world has gone mad.


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    #134
    kildare lad
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I feel sorry for the other competitors who have dedicated a large part of their life to pursue their dream.

    As I seen one libtard on YouTube say on the subject " If the women athletes have a problem with it , they should just train harder " . I'd pity the woman who lost her chance to compete at the Olympics to someone who spent 30 odd years of their life , living as a man


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    #135
    silverharp
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    kildare lad wrote: »
    As I seen one libtard on YouTube say on the subject " If the women athletes have a problem with it , they should just train harder " . I'd pity the woman who lost her chance to compete at the Olympics to someone who spent 30 odd years of their life , living as a man

    thats funny, sex differences are just a social construct bigot!

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #136
    kildare lad
    Registered Users Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭kildare lad


    silverharp wrote: »
    thats funny, sex differences are just a social construct bigot!

    The same people who slam climate deniers for not listening to the science on climate change , seem perfectly fine changing science when it comes to biology


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    #137
    FTA69
    Registered Users Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    My ex-partner was an elite amateur boxer over here. Once I went to the gym with her, had a stinking hangover and I hadn’t sparred in probably over a year. She asks to do a bit of sparring with me and was bitterly disappointed when she couldn’t do a lot. She was a lot fitter, more talented and skilled and while there was a size difference; but the reality is that my physical attributes made it near impossible for her - particularly speed and even reflexes. Our bodies are built drastically different and that’s that.

    The Fallon Fox stuff in MMA is particularly egregious, and the irony is that people point to their eventual loss against a woman as “proof” there’s nothing to worry about - ignoring the fact she lost to a world class, elite fighter after a difficult contest. Im sure Katie Taylor would have beat the b*llocks off me even when I was decent, that doesn’t mean I should be boxing in the London women amateurs.

    Im worried now that this person won’t place a medal, and yet again that will be held up as “proof” there’s no advantages in being a transwoman. Ignoring the fact of course that the person has managed to be Olympic-level in their bloody 40s and more importantly, has displaced a woman from a life-changing competition.

    I hope the other contestants speak out against this, but the reality is that if they do they risk a public pile on and having their own trajectory damaged by being called a ‘bigot’ for telling the truth.

    Im so sick of this rubbish, I really am.


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    #138
    Gatling
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    Face it there is no such thing as women anymore just men and men who self identify as women it's always a sad day when women struggled to be for years to be represented and have the right to participate especially in sports are now being replaced with men who self identify
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    #139
    keano_afc
    Registered Users Posts: 8,711 ✭✭✭keano_afc


    Kuinini Manumua is her name. Denied a place at her first Olympic games because the feelings of a biological male are more important. Appalling.


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    #140
    kildare lad
    Registered Users Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭kildare lad


    keano_afc wrote: »
    Kuinini Manumua is her name. Denied a place at her first Olympic games because the feelings of a biological male are more important. Appalling.


    E4akXc8WQAk_86Z?format=jpg&name=900x900

    A white person who was a man 5 years ago robs 21 year old indigenous woman of her Olympic dream . How progressive....


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    #141
    KeepItLight
    Registered Users Posts: 164 ✭✭KeepItLight


    Fandymo wrote: »
    Change all sports to XX and XY chromosome groupings. Then we are back to fair competition.

    What makes you think that they wouldn't just start identifying as xx chromosomes and that becomes the new reality that everyone must accept.


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    #142
    KeepItLight
    Registered Users Posts: 164 ✭✭KeepItLight


    FTA69 wrote: »
    My ex-partner was an elite amateur boxer over here. Once I went to the gym with her, had a stinking hangover and I hadn’t sparred in probably over a year. She asks to do a bit of sparring with me and was bitterly disappointed when she couldn’t do a lot. She was a lot fitter, more talented and skilled and while there was a size difference; but the reality is that my physical attributes made it near impossible for her - particularly speed and even reflexes. Our bodies are built drastically different and that’s that.

    The Fallon Fox stuff in MMA is particularly egregious, and the irony is that people point to their eventual loss against a woman as “proof” there’s nothing to worry about - ignoring the fact she lost to a world class, elite fighter after a difficult contest. Im sure Katie Taylor would have beat the b*llocks off me even when I was decent, that doesn’t mean I should be boxing in the London women amateurs.

    Im worried now that this person won’t place a medal, and yet again that will be held up as “proof” there’s no advantages in being a transwoman. Ignoring the fact of course that the person has managed to be Olympic-level in their bloody 40s and more importantly, has displaced a woman from a life-changing competition.

    I hope the other contestants speak out against this, but the reality is that if they do they risk a public pile on and having their own trajectory damaged by being called a ‘bigot’ for telling the truth.

    Im so sick of this rubbish, I really am.

    It's insane how much power they have over people. Deny reality or your life gets ruined.


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    #143
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    silverharp wrote: »
    Iran might approve, they are super progressive when it comes to trans issues

    There is a strong theory that Iran are pushing the likes Trans stuff and LGB causes through their online bots.

    Look at it from their side. They believe fully in their heart of hearts that Transgenderism, and LGB rights will bring down any society. Post anything on twitter that is Pro Trans or LGB and you'll get a zillion likes. Then look into the profiles and they are all dummy accounts.

    Russia are at this stuff too. It's new level warfare. Trying to mess up nations by creating divisions within. And they are doing am excellent job of it.


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    #144
    silverharp
    Registered Users Posts: 17,840 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    There is a strong theory that Iran are pushing the likes Trans stuff and LGB causes through their online bots.

    Look at it from their side. They believe fully in their heart of hearts that Transgenderism, and LGB rights will bring down any society. Post anything on twitter that is Pro Trans or LGB and you'll get a zillion likes. Then look into the profiles and they are all dummy accounts.

    Russia are at this stuff too. It's new level warfare. Trying to mess up nations by creating divisions within. And they are doing am excellent job of it.

    China too no doubt, more chaos in the west the better

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #145
    [Deleted User]
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    Well, this thread is going exactly as I suspected it to go.

    I miss decent old boards.ie


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    #146
    FTA69
    Registered Users Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    The sad thing is that transgenderism is a real thing and has existed since time immemorial. People with gender dysmorphia aren't chancers or sickos etc, it’s the way they are and like any group of people they want to get on in life for the most part. I’m perfectly happy accepting that, referring to people how they want to be called and all that. No problem. I imaging transitioning is a very difficult thing to do that the vast majority of people do not do lightly.


    There is however, a big jump from the above to, “transwomen are women and there’s no debate”. It raises the question what exactly is a woman? Is it just something you can identify as handily enough? By that logic can someone like Rachel Dolezal identify as black? Arguably race is far more of a social construct than something like gender is. I don’t see the difference to be honest. Not identifying with gender is an acceptable thing; something also done by camp men and butch lesbians to a large extent. There’s a big difference between that and denying immutable biological reality.

    To say that being a woman is only something you can identify into or out of with a pronoun is absurdism in the extreme to be honest.


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    #147
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Well, this thread is going exactly as I suspected it to go.

    I miss decent old boards.ie
    Bring back Rozie


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    #148
    Christy42
    Registered Users Posts: 7,868 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Well, this thread is going exactly as I suspected it to go.

    I miss decent old boards.ie

    I could have predicted most of it but LGBTQ causes being Iranian/Chinese conspiracy was a new one on me!

    From the thread I can would presume no one born with female genitalia will win a medal.


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    #149
    DeadHand
    Registered Users Posts: 2,721 ✭✭✭DeadHand


    Christy42 wrote: »
    I could have predicted most of it but LGBTQ causes being Iranian/Chinese conspiracy was a new one on me!

    From the thread I can would presume no one born with female genitalia will win a medal.

    Well, those strawmen were defeated more soundly even than Hubbard’s competitors will be.


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    #150
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users Posts: 20,539 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    The worlds gone mad


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    #151
    Fandymo
    Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    KeepItLight wrote: »
    What makes you think that they wouldn't just start identifying as xx chromosomes and that becomes the new reality that everyone must accept.

    You cannot change your chromosomes, they are XX or XY and that’s it, no matter how much you wish/feel/believe.


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