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    #122
    Jequ0n
    Registered Users Posts: 6,092 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    Flinty997 wrote: »
    In that case they are illegally parked, because the OP says its dangerous.

    Anyone can claim a lot of bollox. I’m not saying the OP is, but your argument makes no sense.


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    #123
    Flinty997
    Registered Users Posts: 11,778 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Jequ0n wrote: »
    Anyone can claim a lot of bollox. I’m not saying the OP is, but your argument makes no sense.

    Wasn't my argument. Its the law apparently.


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    #124
    ztoical
    Registered Users Posts: 4,788 ✭✭✭ztoical


    OP is the rest of your street empty and they park right outside your house? Or is it a busy street and if they didn't park there someone else would? They are legally allowed park on the road but if there's loads of space and yet they park right outside your house I could understand being a little annoyed about it. However chances are if its a busy enough road your going to have cars parked there regardless of if they are your neighbours or not.

    Consider as others have suggested adding a mirror to help or if it truly dangerous contact the council and ask they review the road for double yellow lines.


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    #125
    JimmyAlfonso
    Registered Users Posts: 196 ✭✭JimmyAlfonso


    stopthevoting wrote: »
    This is not correct. This post is about parking in a public place, so Tax, Insurance and NCT are all required.


    I'll bet it'd last there for quite a long time before anyone could be arsed to report it let alone the authorities to give a toss and send someone out to tow it.


    Just need to be smart about what name you register it in :)


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    #126
    Marcusm
    Registered Users Posts: 10,229 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    Flinty997 wrote: »
    In that case they are illegally parked, because the OP says its dangerous.

    Which is the complete opposite of what you said earlier!


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    #127
    Flinty997
    Registered Users Posts: 11,778 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Marcusm wrote: »
    Which is the complete opposite of what you said earlier!

    No before I was talking about something that was legal, could become dangerous if conditions change. You decided to ignore that just be pedantic about a truism, the law is the law etc. Rather than getting into that irrelevance, I can simply take the OP at face value that its dangerous.

    In this case there are two parties. One thinks its dangerous, the other does not. (or doesn't care). Neither is the arbiter of what's dangerous. Only people who can dictate that are Garda, or the local authority. So hence put it to them. Local authority is (arguably) less confrontational than the Garda. Let them decide.


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    #128
    JimmyVik
    Registered Users Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    Stanford wrote: »
    Perhaps but I have never seen a camera on a car which shows 180 degrees


    They all have them now.
    Some even have 360 degree cameras.


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    #129
    Marcusm
    Registered Users Posts: 10,229 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    Flinty997 wrote: »
    No before I was talking about something that was legal, could become dangerous if conditions change. You decided to ignore that just be pedantic about a truism, the law is the law etc. Rather than getting into that irrelevance, I can simply take the OP at face value that its dangerous.

    In this case there are two parties. One thinks its dangerous, the other does not. (or doesn't care). Neither is the arbiter of what's dangerous. Only people who can dictate that are Garda, or the local authority. So hence put it to them. Local authority is (arguably) less confrontational than the Garda. Let them decide.

    More waffle; what you stated was quite clear and patently incorrect. Quoted below:

    “Legal doesn't exclude the possiblity that's it's dangerous.

    Are you saying you'd prefer it to remain dangerous.”


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    #130
    JimmyVik
    Registered Users Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    Stanford wrote: »
    I live in a housing estate which has a busy road running thru it, my next door neighbours house owns four cars and two of them are constantly parked on the public roadway outside my driveway at either side of my entrance gate, these block my view of traffic on the road as I enter or leave my driveway. While I accept that nobody has the right to exclusively park outside their driveway on the public road, I feel that these cars are obstructing my view and are a danger, I have brought this up with my neighbour but to no satisfaction, I feel they should have considered where they were going to park four cars before they bought them, any advice please? There are no road markings and the neighbour is a difficult person to deal with.


    Its probably not as dangerous as you think. Just a bit of care and attention required when exiting your driveway, as you should have whether cars parked on the road or not.
    So many places have similar parking habits and yet there are really not too many accidents because people take care when driving.


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    #131
    Flinty997
    Registered Users Posts: 11,778 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Marcusm wrote: »
    More waffle; what you stated was quite clear and patently incorrect. Quoted below:

    “Legal doesn't exclude the possiblity that's it's dangerous.

    Are you saying you'd prefer it to remain dangerous.”

    Obviously sore point for people with parking issues.


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    #132
    Flinty997
    Registered Users Posts: 11,778 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    JimmyVik wrote: »
    Its probably not as dangerous as you think. Just a bit of care and attention required when exiting your driveway, as you should have whether cars parked on the road or not.
    So many places have similar parking habits and yet there are really not too many accidents because people take care when driving.

    Makes you wonder why they needed to create rule in the first place. People can just be careful.


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    #133
    JimmyVik
    Registered Users Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    Flinty997 wrote: »
    Makes you wonder why they needed to create rule in the first place. People can just be careful.


    Yeah, funny how many people dont get into accidents coming out of their driveways with neighbors cars parked on the road. They must be being careful.
    You should speak to the gardai. Maybe you can get a commission on writhing tickets on the 10s of thousands of cases of parking outside your house.


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    #134
    Flinty997
    Registered Users Posts: 11,778 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I was curious and it seems when you Google it there have been a few cases in the papers where Judges or Garda decided it was dangerous and directed people not to park in certain places. Every location is different. So it's not all one way. (unrealistic to assume it would be I guess).

    If the OP makes any progress they should report back. Be curious to know how it all works out.


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    #135
    Flinty997
    Registered Users Posts: 11,778 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Don't use a forklift like that farmer did anyway.


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    #136
    Sadb
    Registered Users Posts: 10,660 ✭✭✭✭Sadb


    Is it actually dangerous or is it more inconvenient? If it’s actually dangerous you can approach the council about placing parking restrictions on the road but to be honest, as it’s not a main road and in an estate, it will be an uphill battle I’d say!

    Also why are people saying a car has to be insured to be parked on a road? Where did that notion come from?


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    #137
    Stanford
    Registered Users Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭Stanford


    Jequ0n wrote: »
    It's also the norm for adult children to move out and live independently when they are able to own and maintain a car.


    OP you need to get a grip and improve your parking skills

    As the OP I'm not sure what I did to deserve this abuse, there is nothing wrong with my parking skiils, the issue is one of traffic visability and road safety, why the personal criticism?


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    #138
    Marcusm
    Registered Users Posts: 10,229 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    Flinty997 wrote: »
    Obviously sore point for people with parking issues.

    I have no parking issues.


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    #139
    Stanford
    Registered Users Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭Stanford


    MacDanger wrote: »
    OP, what reasonable option do you think they could take which would resolve your problem?

    Firstly they can fit two cars in their driveway, however, if only one car is parked in the driveway they will still leave two cars parked on the road, even if the driveway is empty they make no effort to park the surplus cars off the road, its a matter of having a little consideration for others


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    #140
    Stanford
    Registered Users Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭Stanford


    ztoical wrote: »
    OP is the rest of your street empty and they park right outside your house? Or is it a busy street and if they didn't park there someone else would? They are legally allowed park on the road but if there's loads of space and yet they park right outside your house I could understand being a little annoyed about it. However chances are if its a busy enough road your going to have cars parked there regardless of if they are your neighbours or not.

    Consider as others have suggested adding a mirror to help or if it truly dangerous contact the council and ask they review the road for double yellow lines.

    With the exception of occasional visitors and delivery vehicles, all other residents park in their driveways


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    #141
    dublin49
    Registered Users Posts: 1,307 ✭✭✭dublin49


    hard to believe up to 10 pages,its very simple ,you may have an unique situation with regard to visibility ,and I don't doubt you feel your neighbour should be more considerate etc etc ,but a lot of house holders have unique circumstances and unfortunately the state cannot legislate for every particular circumstance so really you are on your own, lots of time in traffic I find the need to edge out slowly into the line of on coming traffic but there is no way round it.Its seem harsh but theres not a house in Ireland with a driveway that could not say the same as you to some extent .Hard cases make bad law.


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    #142
    Flinty997
    Registered Users Posts: 11,778 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Stanford wrote: »
    ...its a matter of having ... little consideration for others...

    Fixed that for you.


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    #143
    Jequ0n
    Registered Users Posts: 6,092 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    Stanford wrote: »
    As the OP I'm not sure what I did to deserve this abuse, there is nothing wrong with my parking skiils, the issue is one of traffic visability and road safety, why the personal criticism?

    Go ahead then and get Garda advise on the matter which is obviously your right to do. The only times I have ever encountered issues like this is from people who are set in their ways and despise others upsetting their routine, or if they genuinely did not know (or claimed not to be able) to park more proficiently.

    Best of luck, but you seem to be against practical advice like cameras and mirrors, so your only hope seems to be a route that might sour the relationship with your neighbours. Though it doesn’t seem like there is much to lose there anyway


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    #144
    [Deleted User]
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    Nothing you can do, my neighbour is renting a room, the guy doesn't park outside the house where there is space but outside mine. The driveway can take 2 cars and the owner is hardly there. So he parks outside mine with loads of space outside where he is renting and the driveway is empty. Unfortunately you just have to suck it up as annoying as it can be, we don't own the road outside our house


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    #145
    Flinty997
    Registered Users Posts: 11,778 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Nothing you can do, my neighbour is renting a room, the guy doesn't park outside the house where there is space but outside mine. The driveway can take 2 cars and the owner is hardly there. So he parks outside mine with loads of space outside where he is renting and the driveway is empty. Unfortunately you just have to suck it up as annoying as it can be, we don't own the road outside our house

    Depends. If it's dangerous. They will paint double yellows. End of problem.

    https://m.independent.ie/regionals/fingalindependent/news/warning-over-parking-obstruction-27792083.html


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    #146
    riclad
    Registered Users Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    They don't normally paint double lines outside random house unless it's near a corner
    The law is anyone can park on a public road unless there's parking restrictions or double yellow lines
    Eg someone 10 houses away could park outside your house
    I so no solution here if talking to your neighbour does not work
    Only the local authority or Gardai have authority over a public road


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    #147
    Flinty997
    Registered Users Posts: 11,778 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Doesn't seem that uncommon.

    https://www.independent.ie/regionals/fingalindependent/news/meeting-to-resolve-dispute-over-yellow-lines-in-estate-27806552.html
    https://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/portlaoise-/594422/cars-to-be-prevented-from-parking-all-day-in-portlaoise-estate.html
    https://www.leinsterleader.ie/news/news/341113/double-yellow-lines-needed-for-naas-estate.html
    https://www.independent.ie/regionals/fingalindependent/news/new-parking-bye-laws-will-give-council-more-power-to-enforce-39106641.html
    https://dublininquirer.com/2017/04/19/two-years-on-a-resident-waits-for-double-yellow-lines


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    #148
    Terry..
    Closed Accounts Posts: 103 ✭✭Terry..


    Buy an ice-cream van and park it outside their house

    Turn the jingle on full every nite


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    #149
    GingerLily
    Registered Users Posts: 4,767 ✭✭✭GingerLily


    Terry.. wrote: »
    Buy an ice-cream van and park it outside their house

    Turn the jingle on full every nite

    Great idea for a next door neighbour.

    OP, just park on the road yourself, they'll have to move one of their cars and might get the hint that it's actually an issue for you!


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    #150
    fatbhoy
    Registered Users Posts: 968 ✭✭✭fatbhoy


    Littlehorny wrote: »
    I was in court once and this exact issue came up in front of the judge. An alarm installer parked his van on the road while his car was parked in his driveway. A neighbour had brought this guy to court saying she almost had two accidents because the van blocked her view of the road.
    After hearing both sides the judge told the alarm fitter to go outside for 5 minutes and decide what he wanted to do, because if he persisted with leaving the van out on the road causing a danger he was going to lose his license.
    Yer man came back in with his tail between his legs and promised to park the van in the drive in future. Maybe this is your course of action?
    Or at the very least go to the Garda station and make a complaint.
    Littlehorny wrote: »
    Ok, about 3 people have questioned my account of what I saw in court.
    Firstly I came on here to contribute and say I witnessed a similar dispute between neighbours and thought it might help the OP or anyone else in a similar situation with dick neighbours.
    And secondly I don't know how she brought him to court specifically or whether it was a civil or criminal matter or what the judge can legally do in these situations.
    Sometimes on boards someone normal comes on and recounts what they saw or heard.
    Honestly, sorry for helping or trying to contribute, better off leaving it to you experts I suppose.
    Littlehorny wrote: »
    Late for work, caught driving down a bus lane.
    Caught bang to rights :D

    columbo1signed.jpg?zoom=2

    Just one more thing, Mr Littlehorny sir, why were you in court when it was a FPN for being in the bus lane :pac:


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    #151
    James 007
    Registered Users Posts: 962 ✭✭✭James 007


    GingerLily wrote: »
    Great idea for a next door neighbour.

    OP, just park on the road yourself, they'll have to move one of their cars and might get the hint that it's actually an issue for you!
    I would do this too & face in the direction when leaving the estate, however the OP would only have a 20% chance of getting the space whereas the good old neighbour will have an 80% chance at all times. I would still rub it up their noses to do that. It would be interesting to see if they park outside your driveway (if no parking anywhere else) to cause confrontation:rolleyes:


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