Neighbour Parking

blackbox

I can understand it in older areas, but modern houses should be required to have more than two parking spaces. It is pretty much the norm now for adult children to have cars.

stopthevoting

Stanford wrote: »

I always assumed it was illegal to park against the flow of traffic?

It is illegal in some other jurisdictions, but it is not illegal in Ireland.

However, the previous posts did not state whether or not anyone was parking against the flow of traffic.

Edit, Sorry my mistake, I didn't notice that you are the OP.
But anyway it is not illegal in Ireland.

muckwarrior

listermint wrote: »

How is it arsehole to park cars outside you own house..

Let's say there are 4 adults in the house in a 2 vehicle driveway. What should they do. Leave the road clear outside in case the neighbour have visitors ? It's a public road.....

I moved to the country to get away from this nonsense. Pretend ownership of something you have no ownership over.

I'd love a big trampoline but I live in an apartment. Maybe I should just park it on the street?

muckwarrior

muckwarrior wrote: »

I'd love a big trampoline but I live in an apartment. Maybe I should just park it on the street?

Parking a trampoline at the side of the public road would be illegal.

Parking a taxed car, is not.

MarkR

If you did widen your driveway to the width of your house, would that prevent people parking in front legally? Presume you need planning, and would be expensive. Funny though, to see the faves of the neighbors. ðŸ˜

ForestFire

Stanford wrote: »

Perhaps but I have never seen a camera on a car which shows 180 degrees

Most decent stand alone rear view cameras have a FOV of 130 degrees. (Final image could be cropped somewhat)

If you have a more advanced 360 camera system, they will typically used 190 lens and offer features such as cross traffic alert.(some will even brake aoutomatically, if the ultrasonics sensors detect a car/bike/ object).

But none of this probably helps the op.

fullstop

Stanford wrote: »

Agreed but my issue is that of road safety which you don't really address

I’d just park there every time you get the chance. They might f**k off and park somewhere else then.

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Fils wrote: »

Having a good reverse camera makes it safer to reverse out rather than stick the front of car blind onto road and expect everyone to obey you.

Really struggling to see how a reverse camera would help

They can look in a straight line, if you drive out, your head can look both straight ahead, left and right, so that would seem more logical.

Larbre34

Stanford wrote: »

I can't, sometimes the cars are parked there for days on end, anyway I don't want to play tit for tat and add to the problem which they are causing

If you can't do this, you won't see any improvement. You're happy to accept it being a problem for yourself but never for them.

Atlantic Dawn

Check if the cars all have valid tax, NCT, insurance discs on display, if not report them to Gardai. You can check NCT status at NCT.ie.

Darc19

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Check if the cars all have valid tax, NCT, insurance discs on display, if not report them to Gardai. You can check NCT status at NCT.ie.

That's just pettiness. And the gardai won't be interested.

AndrewJRenko

listermint wrote: »

How is it arsehole to park cars outside you own house..

Let's say there are 4 adults in the house in a 2 vehicle driveway. What should they do. Leave the road clear outside in case the neighbour have visitors ? It's a public road.....

I moved to the country to get away from this nonsense. Pretend ownership of something you have no ownership over.

Maybe they should arrange their own storage space for their own private property instead of expecting society to subsidise their transport choices with free storage space? In Japan, you can't buy a car until you can prove that you have your own off-street storage?

Atlantic Dawn

Darc19 wrote: »

That's just pettiness. And the gardai won't be interested.

No it's not, it's rules of the road and stopping some scrote taking advantage.

Witcher

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

No it's not, it's rules of the road and stopping some scrote taking advantage.

Now somehow they're scrotes and all they've done is parked legally on a public road.

You read some bizarre stuff on this site lol

Atlantic Dawn

Witcher wrote: »

Now somehow they're scrotes and all they've done is parked legally on a public road.

You read some bizarre stuff on this site lol

I was only referring to those with no NCT, Insurance or tax. Anyone with legally displayed discs is welcome to park. Read what I posted :rolleyes:

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AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Maybe they should arrange their own storage space for their own private property instead of expecting society to subsidise their transport choices with free storage space? In Japan, you can't buy a car until you can prove that you have your own off-street storage?

Oh, Japan no less not sure what relevance that has to this?!!

Atlantic Dawn

fullstop wrote: »

Oh, Japan no less not sure what relevance that has to this?!!

I could potentially see this coming here, they are building apartment blocks with circa 80% parking spaces, the cars will be discarded around the neighbouring area, proper crooked planning unless it's linked to having a parking space when buying a car.

Mrs OBumble

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Maybe they should arrange their own storage space for their own private property instead of expecting society to subsidise their transport choices with free storage space? In Japan, you can't buy a car until you can prove that you have your own off-street storage?

If you can only park a vehicle (with any number of wheels) in space that you own, then you never be able to visit friends, for example. Unless there is a parking-space-rental facility close to their house. Which isn't likely in most suburbs.

Seriously. Society has always allowed parking of the current mode of transport ( horses and cart, bicycle, car, etc) on designated public space for damn good reasons.

beachhead

Darc19 wrote: »

As another poster said, reverse into your driveway.

Far far safer whether cars are parked on the road or not and once you get into the habit you will wonder why you didn't do it previously


As for neighbour parking. There is nothing you can do if there are no parking restrictions.

Reverse into driveway is correct.It is supposedly illegal to reverse onto a roadway.But cops/insurance would not be interested until there was an accident

muckwarrior

Deleted User wrote: »

Parking a trampoline at the side of the public road would be illegal.

Parking a taxed car, is not.

That may be true, but it does raise the question of why it's socially acceptable to buy one type of private property to store permanently in a public place, but not another.

Darc19

beachhead wrote: »

Reverse into driveway is correct.It is supposedly illegal to reverse onto a roadway.But cops/insurance would not be interested until there was an accident

Only illegal to reverse out onto the opposite side of the road and excludes residential estates.

muckwarrior

muckwarrior wrote: »

That may be true, but it does raise the question of why it's socially acceptable to buy one type of private property to store permanently in a public place, but not another.

Presumably because one is a car and the other is a bouncy plaything.

Mongfinder General

You could park on the road across your own driveway. I don’t think it’s illegal to park across your own driveway.

Spook_ie

Mongfinder General wrote: »

You could park on the road across your own driveway. I don’t think it’s illegal to park across your own driveway.

Better to park halfway across your own driveway because if they park too close to you ( blocking the other half of driveway) you can get them towed

fg1406

I had this issue with a neighbour who used to fix cars in his driveway and parked his own car outside my house, making it very difficult to see oncoming traffic, even edging out. He couldn’t give a ****e when I said it to him. We just paved over our front garden to make a double driveway so he can’t park in front of the house at all.

Brian go

Your only answer is park your car out on the road outside your property .

listermint

muckwarrior wrote: »

I'd love a big trampoline but I live in an apartment. Maybe I should just park it on the street?

Alcohol induced contribution ?...

Littlehorny

Rustyman101 wrote: »

Na it's being a decent neighbour, w****r next door parks his Mercedes van outside my house obstructing my view completely coming out of my drive, he's an tosser no point in trying to talk to him, funny thing is I wouldn't dream of doing what he's doing ! Plenty room to park his van about 50 meters from his door but the lazy c*** couldn't be bothered to walk ! Played tit for tat, he didn't like it funny thing he thought I shouldn't be parking outside my own house ! ��

I was in court once and this exact issue came up in front of the judge. An alarm installer parked his van on the road while his car was parked in his driveway. A neighbour had brought this guy to court saying she almost had two accidents because the van blocked her view of the road.
After hearing both sides the judge told the alarm fitter to go outside for 5 minutes and decide what he wanted to do, because if he persisted with leaving the van out on the road causing a danger he was going to lose his license.
Yer man came back in with his tail between his legs and promised to park the van in the drive in future. Maybe this is your course of action?
Or at the very least go to the Garda station and make a complaint.

Littlehorny

Littlehorny wrote: »

I was in court once and this exact issue came up in front of the judge. An alarm installer parked his van on the road while his car was parked in his driveway. A neighbour had brought this guy to court saying she almost had two accidents because the van blocked her view of the road.
After hearing both sides the judge told the alarm fitter to go outside for 5 minutes and decide what he wanted to do, because if he persisted with leaving the van out on the road causing a danger he was going to lose his license.
Yer man came back in with his tail between his legs and promised to park the van in the drive in future. Maybe this is your course of action?
Or at the very least go to the Garda station and make a complaint.

I don't know how a judge can threaten to remove someone's licence if they are parked legally? (anybody know?)

However, if this actually happened, the alarm installer probably now parks his van on the driveway and his car on the road, instead.

There was a taxi man who used to park his taxi on the public road directly between mine and my neighbour's house. (Two other family cars in his own driveway). Quite by accident, I found out he chose that spot because I have a security camera at the front and he was taking advantage of his taxi being covered by it! (The camera doesn't extend past the garden wall onto the public road, but he didn't know that). Once I told him it didn't, he stopped parking there. It didn't bother me, only on bin days when he wouldn't leave space for me to put my bin out.

listermint

Littlehorny wrote: »

I was in court once and this exact issue came up in front of the judge. An alarm installer parked his van on the road while his car was parked in his driveway. A neighbour had brought this guy to court saying she almost had two accidents because the van blocked her view of the road.
After hearing both sides the judge told the alarm fitter to go outside for 5 minutes and decide what he wanted to do, because if he persisted with leaving the van out on the road causing a danger he was going to lose his license.
Yer man came back in with his tail between his legs and promised to park the van in the drive in future. Maybe this is your course of action?
Or at the very least go to the Garda station and make a complaint.

How did she bring him to court specifically?

AndrewJRenko

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

If you can only park a vehicle (with any number of wheels) in space that you own, then you never be able to visit friends, for example. Unless there is a parking-space-rental facility close to their house. Which isn't likely in most suburbs.

Seriously. Society has always allowed parking of the current mode of transport ( horses and cart, bicycle, car, etc) on designated public space for damn good reasons.

1) There are other ways to travel to visit friends, other than using private cars.
2) There are other places to park, other than on streets, such as shopping centres, pubs etc
3) Of course there aren't any parking-space-rental facilities in the suburbs, because there isn't any demand for them, given that we choose to subsidise private car transport by providing free storage space for private property. But if we did change that law, how long do you think it would take for the rental spaces to start popping up?

Seriously, we both know there's no real chance of this happening, but let's just recognise the reality - that society subsidises private car transport with free storage space.

Dav010 wrote: »

Presumably because one is a car and the other is a bouncy plaything.

So what? Why is it socially acceptable to store one particular type of private property on the the public street, and not your trampoline, or your hot tub, or your garden shed?

listermint wrote: »

Alcohol induced contribution ?...

No.

Littlehorny wrote: »

I was in court once and this exact issue came up in front of the judge. An alarm installer parked his van on the road while his car was parked in his driveway. A neighbour had brought this guy to court saying she almost had two accidents because the van blocked her view of the road.
After hearing both sides the judge told the alarm fitter to go outside for 5 minutes and decide what he wanted to do, because if he persisted with leaving the van out on the road causing a danger he was going to lose his license.
Yer man came back in with his tail between his legs and promised to park the van in the drive in future. Maybe this is your course of action?
Or at the very least go to the Garda station and make a complaint.

Judges don't get to tell people what to do and how to behave. They get to prosecute people for particular offences. If a Garda brought a prosecution for illegal and dangerous parking, the judge would get to rule on whether the person would be convicted for the parking offence, but they don't get to tell them how to behave in the future.

In the very unlikely scenario of the neighbour taking a Court injunction against the alarm installer, that would be a civil matter in the High Court, not a criminal matter.

Jequ0n

blackbox wrote: »

I can understand it in older areas, but modern houses should be required to have more than two parking spaces. It is pretty much the norm now for adult children to have cars.

It's also the norm for adult children to move out and live independently when they are able to own and maintain a car.


OP you need to get a grip and improve your parking skills

callaway92

Jequ0n wrote: »

It's also the norm for adult children to move out and live independently when they are able to own and maintain a car.


OP you need to get a grip and improve your parking skills

Honestly this is a really unfair comment on the OP and definitely spoken by someone who has never had the situation.

Clearly it’s more a case of the OP resenting his neighbour doing it rather than it being a potential hazard, but I get it on both sides and don’t blame him for wanting to see if there’s anything he can do.

Littlehorny

Ok, about 3 people have questioned my account of what I saw in court.
Firstly I came on here to contribute and say I witnessed a similar dispute between neighbours and thought it might help the OP or anyone else in a similar situation with dick neighbours.
And secondly I don't know how she brought him to court specifically or whether it was a civil or criminal matter or what the judge can legally do in these situations.
Sometimes on boards someone normal comes on and recounts what they saw or heard.
Honestly, sorry for helping or trying to contribute, better off leaving it to you experts I suppose.

athlone573

From the sounds of it the neighbour is within his rights (although discourteous)

If the neighbour isn't amenable to discussion then a practical solution may be to apply to the local council for permission for a widened entrance (and associated dishing of pavement). Should the neighbour obstruct the widened driveway you could ask AGS to assist.

Flinty997

Stanford wrote: »

I live in a housing estate which has a busy road running thru it, ...

Get a petition going for the local authority to get double yellow lines on the road because parking on it is dangerous.

Terry..

There was a discussion over on the legal forum where a judge was banning drivers for 2 weeks for something

Seemed off the wall but maybe judges can put people off the road for miscellaneous stuff

athlone573

Also, the council are unlikely to paint double yellow lines unless it actually is dangerous.

What they may do (if asked by the residents, normally via a residents association) is introduce permit parking. It happens around hospitals, dart stations etc where you have a lot of commuters.

The J Stands for Jay

Rustyman101 wrote: »

Funny thing about all this could generally be solved by smallest bit of consideration, but w*****s be w*****s, would not in all conscious park a big f*** off van on top of my neighbours drive ! But hey ho that's me ! Especially when there's other options 50 meters away that wouldn't impact on anybody

Park in the neighbours' drive.

Flinty997

Flinty997 wrote: »

Get a petition going for the local authority to get double yellow lines on the road because parking on it is dangerous.

That is an option, but be aware if you did this, no visitors to your home will be able to park outside when visiting you, and nor would any of your neighbours be able to have visitors park outside. It probably won't make you very popular on the road, and maybe even decrease the value of your property.

I know I wouldn't ever look at buying house that had double yellows on the road outside it.

AndrewJRenko

Littlehorny wrote: »

And secondly I don't know how she brought him to court specifically or whether it was a civil or criminal matter or what the judge can legally do in these situations.

What were you in court for that day - civil or criminal matter?

Littlehorny

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

What were you in court for that day - civil or criminal matter?

Late for work, caught driving down a bus lane.
Caught bang to rights

DopeTech

OP, do they have anywhere else they could park the car close by? Is their front garden big enough to fit another car if concreted in? What size vehicle is it they are parking there?

If they don't seem like the type that would key your car then maybe try parking yours across your driveway. They will soon find somewhere else. Investing in a dashcam that records when it senses movement may also be a good idea just in case they do try anything with your car.

Jequ0n

callaway92 wrote: »

Honestly this is a really unfair comment on the OP and definitely spoken by someone who has never had the situation.

Clearly it’s more a case of the OP resenting his neighbour doing it rather than it being a potential hazard, but I get it on both sides and don’t blame him for wanting to see if there’s anything he can do.

True, and while I appreciate that this is inconvenient I can't see how this is a problem that would warrant the OP to go to the police as they are considering as a move.

Mrs OBumble

athlone573 wrote: »

Also, the council are unlikely to paint double yellow lines unless it actually is dangerous.

Which is why they're such good suggestion: either it really is dangerous and it gets fixed, or the OP is a whiner who needs to get over it.

callaway92

Jequ0n wrote: »

True, and while I appreciate that this is inconvenient I can't see how this is a problem that would warrant the OP to go to the police as they are considering as a move.

He was just asking for advice though. Nothing wrong with that.

Flinty997

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That is an option, but be aware if you did this, no visitors to your home will be able to park outside when visiting you, and nor would any of your neighbours be able to have visitors park outside. It probably won't make you very popular on the road, and maybe even decrease the value of your property.

I know I wouldn't ever look at buying house that had double yellows on the road outside it.

A lot of roads don't allow on street parking. It's far from unusual. You can always convert front garden to parking.

If it's dangerous it's dangerous.

A lot of new estates are designed so there is no one street parking. As space gets more restricted, it will become more common.

Flinty997

athlone573 wrote: »

Also, the council are unlikely to paint double yellow lines unless it actually is dangerous.

What they may do (if asked by the residents, normally via a residents association) is introduce permit parking. It happens around hospitals, dart stations etc where you have a lot of commuters.

The OP days it's dangerous.

Permit parking won't solve the OPs issue.

AndrewJRenko

Littlehorny wrote: »

Late for work, caught driving down a bus lane.
Caught bang to rights

So District Court matters, definitely not a civil matter or injunction then.

Flinty997

Flinty997 wrote: »

A lot of roads don't allow on street parking. It's far from unusual. You can always convert front garden to parking.

If it's dangerous it's dangerous.

I never said otherwise.

The OP never described the road as dangerous either, just busy. I'm pretty sure if it was a street that didn't allow on street parking, they would have mentioned that too.

Anyway, they've been advised of their options, once they are aware of the possible repercussions that may come with those options.

I think this will quite possibly turn out to be one of those things where they are just going to have to pick their battles. They still have to live beside their neighbours.

I'd begin by reversing in, and driving out, and seeing if that helps.