Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings

Sobit1964 · 20-06-2021 12:20AM

PTH2009 wrote: »

That's how you do Trial Events

Not like here with our 2000 in a 80,000 seater stadium and 500 outdoors in pods of 4-6 in a large field

Yeah its all a bit silly... and most of the voices suggesting that we are correct with ridiculous pod events are sadly out of touch with science and frankly reality.

gozunda · 20-06-2021 12:40AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's not really limited. They're required everywhere apart from outdoors. And even outdoors they're recommended on busy streets.

I don't see the justification for any restrictions. The number of people in hospital is tiny.

Where other people congregate in large numbers and the majority have just one dose of vaccine - it still makes sense for people to protect each other. Its not a big ask for the time remaining for most people.

Not seeing a justification is your own perogative. But it really doesn't stand up. Name a single country in the EU with the current rate of vaccinations which has no restrictions? Many also have low hospital figures. All over the EU the objective is simply too keep the rate of infection down whilst people are vaccinated. And thats time limited.

PTH2009 · 20-06-2021 12:45AM

gozunda wrote: »

Where other people congregate in large numbers and the majority have just one dose of vaccine - it still makes sense for people to protect each other. Its not a big ask for the time remaining fir most people.

Not seeing a justification is your own perogative. But it really doesn't stand up. Name a single country in the EU with the current rate of vaccinations which has no restrictions? Many also have low hospital figures. All over the EU the objective is simply too keep the rate of infection down whilst people are vaccinated. And thats time limited.

Have you been watching the Euros ? Plenty of places have 1000s in the stadiums among other stuff ?

Does NPHET know something that others don't ?

niallo27 · 20-06-2021 12:46AM

gozunda wrote: »

Where other people congregate in large numbers and the majority have just one dose of vaccine - it still makes sense for people to protect each other. Its not a big ask for the time remaining for most people.

Not seeing a justification is your own perogative. But it really doesn't stand up. Name a single country in the EU with the current rate of vaccinations which has no restrictions? Many also have low hospital figures. All over the EU the objective is simply too keep the rate of infection down whilst people are vaccinated. And thats time limited.

Where do we say enough is enough though, reports this morning saying could be November until 20s are vaccinated.

GeorgeBailey · 20-06-2021 12:47AM

Whatever your view on restrictions are we coming to a point where they're completely useless? I've been living in the same part of Dublin for nearly 20 years now. The amount of sleep-depriving house parties that are going on round here recently is like nothing I've experienced before. If people are going to meet up indoors anyway we may as well have them do so in places where their behaviour can be at least a little controlled.

Similarly, my work centres around weddings. Before 2020 I had never worked at a wedding reception at someone's private home. Now it's getting more and more common. Again, when it's at a hotel or similar there is some amount of control (minimal to be fair).

Please, please open pubs, nightclubs, etc so I can get a good night's sleep.

niallo27 · 20-06-2021 12:49AM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Have you been watching the Euros ? Plenty of places have 1000s in the stadiums among other stuff ?

Does NPHET know something that others don't ?

You won't get an answer, nobody knows the criteria why we are the most restricted country in Europe with one of the youngest population. You can see by the way nphet spoke the other day that they think we are too stupid to be trusted so we must stayed locked down.

zackory · 20-06-2021 12:57AM

Graham wrote: »

Agreed

The costs of reopening too soon would be higher.

Says who?

gozunda · 20-06-2021 01:07AM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Have you been watching the Euros ? Plenty of places have 1000s in the stadiums among other stuff ?
Does NPHET know something that others don't ?

Dont think stadiums, or the Euros or Nphetcwere mentioned. The question follows from the previous posters comment about there being no justification for 'any restrictions".

Do you know of any EU country without restrictions atm?. I can't think of one. Do Nphet advise these countries as well?

gozunda · 20-06-2021 01:13AM

niallo27 wrote: »

Where do we say enough is enough though, reports this morning saying could be November until 20s are vaccinated.

Just my own opinion- but as vaccinations ramp up - then restrictions will continue to be rolled back as is happening. I don't see - "enough is enough" as a valid argument - as if we're still with full restrictions. I guess there will always be some for who the pace is too slow, too fast, then there's everyone else as shown by the two polls mentioned earlier. So who do we go by if we allow a majority view?

Edit. The reports I've seen seem to suggest Aug / Sept for 20 yo

prunudo · 20-06-2021 07:43AM

GeorgeBailey wrote: »

Whatever your view on restrictions are we coming to a point where they're completely useless? I've been living in the same part of Dublin for nearly 20 years now. The amount of sleep-depriving house parties that are going on round here recently is like nothing I've experienced before. If people are going to meet up indoors anyway we may as well have them do so in places where their behaviour can be at least a little controlled.

Similarly, my work centres around weddings. Before 2020 I had never worked at a wedding reception at someone's private home. Now it's getting more and more common. Again, when it's at a hotel or similar there is some amount of control (minimal to be fair).

Please, please open pubs, nightclubs, etc so I can get a good night's sleep.

On a similar vein of things making no sense. Had to laugh at the area my local have set out for outdoor use. Eveyone sitting on picnic benches in a tiny courtyard packed in so tight they may as well be in eachothers pockets. At least if indoors was open they'd be at tables spaced out around a large bar and lounge.

zackory · 20-06-2021 07:45AM

I see rte ramping an outbreak in Moscow now. No mention of their abysmal vaccine take up of course.

hynesie08 · 20-06-2021 08:25AM

PTH2009 wrote: »

That's how you do Trial Events. Tony would be having cold sweats if we had something like that

Not like here with our 2000 in a 80,000 seater stadium and 500 outdoors in pods of 4-6 in a large field

So England, after starting with small trial events of 60 people, are now attempting bigger and bigger trial events.

Yeah, seems like a good idea, glad we're doing the same.

VinLieger · 20-06-2021 08:55AM

zackory wrote: »

I see rte ramping an outbreak in Moscow now. No mention of their abysmal vaccine take up of course.

Are the Russians still trying to throw sputnik at the rest of the world while their own people refuse to take it?

niallo27 · 20-06-2021 09:02AM

hynesie08 wrote: »

So England, after starting with small trial events of 60 people, are now attempting bigger and bigger trial events.

Yeah, seems like a good idea, glad we're doing the same.

But we keep getting told, let's watch England, let's follow their rollout, they have done the trials, it worked. It worked all of Europe. Why do we need to do new trials, why would the virus react differently in croke Park than Wembley

TomTomTim · 20-06-2021 09:07AM

Chivito550 wrote: »

Absolute BS. Head down to Waterville, Cahirciveen and other parts along the western part of the Ring of Kerry. I'm down here at the moment as family have a house down here. Complete ghost town and it's the end of June.

Ireland is "hopping".

I'm in Glencolmcille at the minute, and it's much the same. It's so slow that none of the pubs are opening during the week, with only one opening at the weekends. Most of the general seasonal stuff isn't open. All that's open 7 days a week is the local shop. As a cyclist it's great to have quiet roads to myself, but it certainly isn't good for the tourism industry.

20-06-2021 09:18AM

TomTomTim wrote: »

I'm in Glencolmcille at the minute, and it's much the same. It's so slow that none of the pubs are opening during the week, with only one opening at the weekends. Most of the general seasonal stuff isn't open. All that's open 7 days a week is the local shop. As a cyclist it's great to have quiet roads to myself, but it certainly isn't good for the tourism industry.

It's so very sad. It's very distressing to think of all the businesses that will never reopen.

20-06-2021 09:26AM

gozunda wrote: »

Where other people congregate in large numbers and the majority have just one dose of vaccine - it still makes sense for people to protect each other. Its not a big ask for the time remaining for most people.

Not seeing a justification is your own perogative. But it really doesn't stand up. Name a single country in the EU with the current rate of vaccinations which has no restrictions? Many also have low hospital figures. All over the EU the objective is simply too keep the rate of infection down whilst people are vaccinated. And thats time limited.

Is it time limited? The European Commissioner said the other day that the aim is to vaccinate 70% of the continent by the end of July, but that even then people couldn't be complacent: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.euroweeklynews.com/2021/06/17/european-commissioner-asks-to-maintain-masks-and-social-distancing/amp/

If it's potential variants then I don't see how the measures will ever be lifted because there will always be potential variants. The big problem is that there are very places a person can emigrate to. The US would be the best option, in my option, but it's very hard to get into the US (and, of course, I mean when people are allowed to travel there). That's going to be a big problem, I think, i.e. how difficult it will be to enter countries.

I don't see a justification based solely on the numbers. There are, fortunately, very few people in hospital considering that the population is 4.5 million. Based solely on the numbers, are restrictions justified? I'm not talking about potential variants, what could or might happen. Just based on the number of people in hospital in the country due to covid.

zackory · 20-06-2021 09:28AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's so very sad. It's very distressing to think of all the businesses that will never reopen.

Vast tracts of the country have towns and villages with little to nothing open.

Tony and all his supporters did a damn fine job of breaking society.

No justification for this slow, lethargic and crippli ng reopening.

Should have been months ago.

zackory · 20-06-2021 09:31AM

hynesie08 wrote: »

So England, after starting with small trial events of 60 people, are now attempting bigger and bigger trial events.

Yeah, seems like a good idea, glad we're doing the same.

Nothing wrong with the concept of starting small and building up but we are way off the pace compared to where other countries are at.

Like we are still operating public transport at 50%. Is any other country at that?

hynesie08 · 20-06-2021 09:41AM

zackory wrote: »

Nothing wrong with the concept of starting small and building up but we are way off the pace compared to where other countries are at.

Like we are still operating public transport at 50%. Is any other country at that?

Oh no, I've said all along that we should have had a few events last summer when cases were single digits, and we should have had that data as a base point.

Still, going from 500 - 3500 in a few weeks is a lot more ambitious than people will give credit for.

Richard Hillman · 20-06-2021 09:41AM

niallo27 wrote: »

But we keep getting told, let's watch England, let's follow their rollout, they have done the trials, it worked. It worked all of Europe. Why do we need to do new trials, why would the virus react differently in croke Park than Wembley

The reality is, NPHET didn't even want to put on these "Test Events". Government were just under too much pressure to allow something. So they put together a bubble wrap playground.

Apart from GAA we don't really have a sports attendance culture, like other countries have with football or whatever sport. UK government were under massive pressure to allow football and cricket fans back. The GAA were probably the only ones here with a bit of clout to put pressure on and they still got a piss weak response.

Graham · 20-06-2021 09:42AM

Gortanna wrote: »

If it's potential variants then I don't see how the measures will ever be lifted because there will always be potential variants.

Variants aren't automatically a problem. Vaccine resistant variants would be an issue. Unvaccinated population are an issue.

Fortunately vaccinations are largely effective against the Delta variant and we continue to populate more of the population.

hynesie08 · 20-06-2021 09:48AM

niallo27 wrote: »

But we keep getting told, let's watch England, let's follow their rollout, they have done the trials, it worked. It worked all of Europe. Why do we need to do new trials, why would the virus react differently in croke Park than Wembley

When the very first trial worked, why did any country bother with trials?

You still need the data, at the very least for insurance reasons, yes we're late collecting the data, but every country needs to collect it.

gozunda · 20-06-2021 09:50AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Is it time limited? The European Commissioner said the other day that the aim is to vaccinate 70% of the continent by the end of July, but that even then people couldn't be complacent: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.euroweeklynews.com/2021/06/17/european-commissioner-asks-to-maintain-masks-and-social-distancing/amp/

If it's potential variants then I don't see how the measures will ever be lifted because there will always be potential variants. The big problem is that there are very places a person can emigrate to. The US would be the best option, in my option, but it's very hard to get into the US (and, of course, I mean when people are allowed to travel there). That's going to be a big problem, I think, i.e. how difficult it will be to enter countries.

I don't see a justification based solely on the numbers. There are, fortunately, very few people in hospital considering that the population is 4.5 million. Based solely on the numbers, are restrictions justified? I'm not talking about potential variants, what could or might happen. Just based on the number of people in hospital in the country due to covid.

Of course no one should be complacent. That's just basic cop on tbf in the midst of a pandemic

Just because an individual may be pessimistic regarding the pandemic doesn't mean that's what's going to happen. And again most of Europe thankfully have low hospital numbers and whilst we're still vaccinating people - then its likley we'll and other developed countries will still have some restrictions.

Surely you can't deny that a whole load of restrictions have already been rolled back?

Interesting that the US have effectively closed its borders to everyone else to protect itself no?

Multipass · 20-06-2021 09:56AM

prunudo wrote: »

On a similar vein of things making no sense. Had to laugh at the area my local have set out for outdoor use. Eveyone sitting on picnic benches in a tiny courtyard packed in so tight they may as well be in eachothers pockets. At least if indoors was open they'd be at tables spaced out around a large bar and lounge.

Same with the hotels in my area - stuffy looking tents packed with tables. You’d be better off inside with the windows open. A colossal waste of money and effort for a box ticking exercise.

zackory · 20-06-2021 10:01AM

hynesie08 wrote: »

Still, going from 500 - 3500 in a few weeks is a lot more ambitious than people will give credit for.

A month or 2 ago maybe, but coming off a base of virtually nobody in hospital with this I see no ambition here.

Graham · 20-06-2021 10:02AM

Multipass wrote: »

Same with the hotels in my area - stuffy looking tents packed with tables. You’d be better off inside with the windows open. A colossal waste of money and effort for a box ticking exercise.

Sounds like your local hotels are ignoring the guidelines, I remember they go into some detail about the number of open sides and distance to walls etc.

I'm thinking back around any I've seen, the most they'd have is a canvas roof.

I suppose it's like anything, there's always going to be a few that chance their arm.

Graham · 20-06-2021 10:04AM

zackory wrote: »

A month or 2 ago maybe, but coming off a base of virtually nobody in hospital with this I see no ambition here.

Unless you've discovered a previously unknown connection between ambition and virus resistance, it's probably sensible to look to vaccinations rather than ambition & wishful thinking.

suicide_circus · 20-06-2021 10:12AM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

How are they dominating the media, their circulation is 100-200K?

Why are you still measuring media penetration by physical newspaper circulation?

zackory · 20-06-2021 10:20AM

Graham wrote: »

Unless you've discovered a previously unknown connection between ambition and virus resistance, it's probably sensible to look to vaccinations rather than ambition & wishful thinking.

Yeah we really need an iveagh Gardens style gig to tell us if it's safe or not outdoors.

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