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El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Matt Carter was talking about it as a fact that he's still explicitly under contract to Mercedes. Hard to know what the truth is. All we can do is wait and see what happens.

Maybe Matt should tell Mercedes. They dont seem aware they have Ocon contracted to the company. And Renault believed that he had no links to Mercedes when they signed him. So possible fraud afoot.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I'll leave them to it. We have conflicting information so all we can do is wait and see what happens.

It seems you and Matt are the only two claiming theres a secret contract. Everything else says ties severed when he joined Renault.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I'll leave them to it. We have conflicting information so all we can do is wait and see what happens.

We don't really, Ocon signed for 3 years with Alpine. That to me means no ties to Merc...at all.

Frank Bullitt wrote: »

We don't really, Ocon signed for 3 years with Alpine. That to me means no ties to Merc...at all.

Someone mentioned in this forum quote some time ago, last season maybe, that Ocon’s ties are with Toto and not Merc. Basically Toto is his managing his career and his drive is a separate deal! I’m guessing negotiated by Toto! This was alluded to in an episode of D2S last season when he was telling him he’s working on a seat for him so I’d imagine that’s the relationship!

Harika wrote: »

I think it's hilarious that Russell, who hasn't even scored a single point in F1 in his third! season, is seen as the saviour that will threaten Lewis more than Bottas.

He's scored 3. 2 points for 9th and 1 point for fastest lap in the Sakhir Grand Prix.

flazio wrote: »

He's scored 3. 2 points for 9th and 1 point for fastest lap in the Sakhir Grand Prix.

My bad, that was in the all conjuring Mercedes?

pjohnson wrote: »

This is 90% the most likely scenario.

Like a buy back clause in football contracts

pjohnson wrote: »

It seems you and Matt are the only two claiming theres a secret contract. Everything else says ties severed when he joined Renault.

I'm claiming that Matt Carter (and Joe Saward) say he's a Mercedes man. I'm pretty sure I've said I don't have a clue. All I have is conflicting information. You seem pretty certain so you must have more information than I have....

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

No it doesn't. It doesnt preclude other contractual obligations with Mercedes e.g. he can sign for whoever he likes but Mercedes can call him home at any time they want or at predetermined points like after the end of s season, or they have to pay a buyout payment but have the choice to buy him out. Who knows?

That is complete conjecture on your part. I could equally say Ferrari could have the same sway, doesn't make it true.

He has no contractual obligations with Mercedes, none.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

No it doesn't. It doesnt preclude other contractual obligations with Mercedes e.g. he can sign for whoever he likes but Mercedes can call him home at any time they want or at predetermined points like after the end of s season, or they have to pay a buyout payment but have the choice to buy him out. Who knows?

For someone who "doesnt have a clue" you sure love repeating incorrect claims.

I know he's not the first example of it, but it seems a bit bizarre that a team principal can also be a driver agent. How is it not a conflict of interests?

Frank Bullitt wrote: »

That is complete conjecture on your part. I could equally say Ferrari could have the same sway, doesn't make it true.

He has no contractual obligations with Mercedes, none.

Yeah I know. I said "for example" at the beginningand "who knows?" at the end to signify that it's an example and that it was conjecture. Its also true that a co tract with Alpine doesn't preclude a contract with Mercedes and it's conjecture based on the fact that we have conflicting information from sources within
within f1, where your Ferrari point is just made up based on nothing.

We have conflicting information so we can't be sure wither way. Why is this such a big deal to some people?

muckwarrior wrote: »

I know he's not the first example of it, but it seems a bit bizarre that a team principal can also be a driver agent. How is it not a conflict of interests?

He had part ownership of both Williams and Mercedes for a while. He had to be given time to sell the shares in Williams when he bought into Mercedes. That seems like a pretty clear conflict of interest too. But ultimately its a sport and an entertainment as well as a business.

I remember when Ferrari were selling engines to Sauber in about 1998 and if a ferrari fell behind a Sauber, Jean Todt would toddle down to sauber and ask them to over and let the Ferrari past. Implication was that there was a quick negotiation like free engines at the next race in exchange for allowing the Ferrari past.

F1 isn't just about pure sport, or pure business, or pure entertainment. It's a blend of the three.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/57476106
Pirelli investigated their own tyres and to the shock of absolutely no one, the found that their tyres were fine. Its hard to think of a worse tyre manufacturere in F1 without a tyre war going on.