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El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Matt Carter was talking about it as a fact that he's still explicitly under contract to Mercedes. Hard to know what the truth is. All we can do is wait and see what happens.

Maybe Matt should tell Mercedes. They dont seem aware they have Ocon contracted to the company. And Renault believed that he had no links to Mercedes when they signed him. So possible fraud afoot.

pjohnson wrote: »

Maybe Matt should tell Mercedes. They dont seem aware they have Ocon contracted to the company.

I'll leave them to it. We have conflicting information so all we can do is wait and see what happens.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I'll leave them to it. We have conflicting information so all we can do is wait and see what happens.

It seems you and Matt are the only two claiming theres a secret contract. Everything else says ties severed when he joined Renault.

Harika

I think it's hilarious that Russell, who hasn't even scored a single point in F1 in his third! season, is seen as the saviour that will threaten Lewis more than Bottas.

Frank Bullitt

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I'll leave them to it. We have conflicting information so all we can do is wait and see what happens.

We don't really, Ocon signed for 3 years with Alpine. That to me means no ties to Merc...at all.

Harika wrote: »

I think it's hilarious that Russell, who hasn't even scored a single point in F1 in his third! season, is seen as the saviour that will threaten Lewis more than Bottas.

I guess then you need to refine what you define as talent in a driver

Captain_Crash

Frank Bullitt wrote: »

We don't really, Ocon signed for 3 years with Alpine. That to me means no ties to Merc...at all.

Someone mentioned in this forum quote some time ago, last season maybe, that Ocon’s ties are with Toto and not Merc. Basically Toto is his managing his career and his drive is a separate deal! I’m guessing negotiated by Toto! This was alluded to in an episode of D2S last season when he was telling him he’s working on a seat for him so I’d imagine that’s the relationship!

Frank Bullitt

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Someone mentioned in this forum quote some time ago, last season maybe, that Ocon’s ties are with Toto and not Merc. Basically Toto is his managing his career and his drive is a separate deal! I’m guessing negotiated by Toto! This was alluded to in an episode of D2S last season when he was telling him he’s working on a seat for him so I’d imagine that’s the relationship!

Exactly, he parted ways with Merc once he signed with Renault. If he was in the running for a seat at Merc, he was going to be the second choice to Russell anyway.

This move makes a lot of sense for him and Alpine. French driver signs a long deal with a French team coming up to the French GP. No brainer.

flazio

Harika wrote: »

I think it's hilarious that Russell, who hasn't even scored a single point in F1 in his third! season, is seen as the saviour that will threaten Lewis more than Bottas.

He's scored 3. 2 points for 9th and 1 point for fastest lap in the Sakhir Grand Prix.

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Someone mentioned in this forum quote some time ago, last season maybe, that Ocon’s ties are with Toto and not Merc. Basically Toto is his managing his career and his drive is a separate deal! I’m guessing negotiated by Toto! This was alluded to in an episode of D2S last season when he was telling him he’s working on a seat for him so I’d imagine that’s the relationship!

I would say Toto (the agent) negotiated a clause in Ocon's contract for a reduce release from his Alpine contract should Merc come calling

Harika

flazio wrote: »

He's scored 3. 2 points for 9th and 1 point for fastest lap in the Sakhir Grand Prix.

My bad, that was in the all conjuring Mercedes?

Harika wrote: »

My bad, that was in the all conjuring Mercedes?

It's certainly a magic car

[Deleted User]

Well he certainly pulled a rabbit out of the hat.

duploelabs wrote: »

I would say Toto (the agent) negotiated a clause in Ocon's contract for a reduce release from his Alpine contract should Merc come calling

This is 90% the most likely scenario.

pjohnson wrote: »

This is 90% the most likely scenario.

Like a buy back clause in football contracts

muckwarrior

Harika wrote: »

My bad, that was in the all conjuring Mercedes?

Yes. When he would have won, beating his experienced team mate in the process, but for the team f*ck up. Something you seem to be conveniently forgetting when judging him.

pjohnson wrote: »

It seems you and Matt are the only two claiming theres a secret contract. Everything else says ties severed when he joined Renault.

I'm claiming that Matt Carter (and Joe Saward) say he's a Mercedes man. I'm pretty sure I've said I don't have a clue. All I have is conflicting information. You seem pretty certain so you must have more information than I have....

Frank Bullitt wrote: »

We don't really, Ocon signed for 3 years with Alpine. That to me means no ties to Merc...at all.

No it doesn't. It doesnt preclude other contractual obligations with Mercedes e.g. he can sign for whoever he likes but Mercedes can call him home at any time they want or at predetermined points like after the end of s season, or they have to pay a buyout payment but have the choice to buy him out. Who knows?

Frank Bullitt

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

No it doesn't. It doesnt preclude other contractual obligations with Mercedes e.g. he can sign for whoever he likes but Mercedes can call him home at any time they want or at predetermined points like after the end of s season, or they have to pay a buyout payment but have the choice to buy him out. Who knows?

That is complete conjecture on your part. I could equally say Ferrari could have the same sway, doesn't make it true.

He has no contractual obligations with Mercedes, none.

Frank Bullitt wrote: »

That is complete conjecture on your part. I could equally say Ferrari could have the same sway, doesn't make it true.

He has no contractual obligations with Mercedes, none.

Except the team boss is also his agent

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

No it doesn't. It doesnt preclude other contractual obligations with Mercedes e.g. he can sign for whoever he likes but Mercedes can call him home at any time they want or at predetermined points like after the end of s season, or they have to pay a buyout payment but have the choice to buy him out. Who knows?

For someone who "doesnt have a clue" you sure love repeating incorrect claims.

the_pen_turner

duploelabs wrote: »

Except the team boss is also his agent

and co owner of merc team

muckwarrior

I know he's not the first example of it, but it seems a bit bizarre that a team principal can also be a driver agent. How is it not a conflict of interests?

bennyx_o

https://twitter.com/MercedesAMGF1/status/1405193540796289027?s=19

Grosjeans test in the Mercedes postponed

Frank Bullitt wrote: »

That is complete conjecture on your part. I could equally say Ferrari could have the same sway, doesn't make it true.

He has no contractual obligations with Mercedes, none.

Yeah I know. I said "for example" at the beginningand "who knows?" at the end to signify that it's an example and that it was conjecture. Its also true that a co tract with Alpine doesn't preclude a contract with Mercedes and it's conjecture based on the fact that we have conflicting information from sources within
within f1, where your Ferrari point is just made up based on nothing.

We have conflicting information so we can't be sure wither way. Why is this such a big deal to some people?

pjohnson wrote: »

For someone who "doesnt have a clue" you sure love repeating incorrect claims.

I'm admitting I don't know because we have conflictinginformation. You're asserting your claim with certainty you couldn't possibly have based on conflicting information. We'll just have to acceot the uncertainty and wait and see what happens.

Why is it such a big deal to you anyway? It's a pretty trivial point to get worked up over.