Formula 1 2021 - General Discussion Thread (Read 1st post rules)

barryribs · 12-06-2021 04:50PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Yeah he did but how highly did you rate Sirotkin?

Also, he beat Sirotkin but I'm not sure about "beat the brakes off sirotkin. Sirotkin won the quali battle 13-8 stroll won the race result battle 9-8 and scored 6 points to Sirotkin's 1. No doubt that he won the battle against Sirotkin.

If you calss that as Sirotkin having his brakes beaten off then how do you class Stroll's beating at the hands of Perez over the last 2 seasons?

I don't rate him highly at all, Strolls race pace was miles ahead of Sirotkin and this was borne out in the points return.

El_Duderino 09 · 12-06-2021 05:20PM

barryribs wrote: »

I don't rate him highly at all, Strolls race pace was miles ahead of Sirotkin and this was borne out in the points return.

OK so he beat one of his three teammates. And you don't rate the teammate he beat. Its not evidence that he's a good driver.

Harika · 12-06-2021 05:30PM

Stroll is clearly better than hulkenberg.
#unsubscribetillnextracelol

Joeface · 12-06-2021 08:44PM

People forget Stroll spent 2 seasons in F3 prior to jumping into F1 , In his first season he finished 4th or 5th behind Leclerc and a head of Russell , in his second season in F3 he pretty much laid waste to the field again ahead of Russell by some margin. He did join F1 way too early but he is a standard that should be the here. The money does taint him and seems to help in dismissing him. Lando Norris is from similar money but it never gets mentioned . He is not even close what Mazepin or latifi are . He even showed he has some decent talent in the wet. His pole last year was excellent . His race craft has come on a leap this year as well as he seems much smoother over talking .

Jordan 199 · 12-06-2021 09:47PM

The Jordan 191 driven by Michael Schumacher is up for sale.

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antodeco · 12-06-2021 10:08PM

Jordan 199 wrote: »

The Jordan 191 driven by Michael Schumacher is up for sale.

How many boardsies are there? All chip in €50?

kksaints · 12-06-2021 10:19PM

Jordan 199 wrote: »

The Jordan 191 driven by Michael Schumacher is up for sale.

What's the asking price?

Jordan 199 · 12-06-2021 10:22PM

kksaints wrote: »

What's the asking price?

£1.25m. Comes with a Cosworth HB motor the team used in 1991.

Hijpo · 13-06-2021 12:45AM

antodeco wrote: »

How many boardsies are there? All chip in €50?

Thats insane, compared to the cars now you would wonder how the f**k is that aerodynamic??

If it was 100 from interested parties I would go for it never mind 50

muckwarrior · 13-06-2021 02:39PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Marginally beaten by an aging Massa in his first season. Marginally beat pay driver and an absolute nobody Sirotkin in his second and beaten out the gate by perez in the next 2 seasons.

Not marginally beaten, well beaten. He got a podium in a race that Massa was set to win but for a mechanical. As a result the points difference was close.

Lance has graduated from being slow-as-f*ck to merely below average.

El_Duderino 09 · 13-06-2021 02:47PM

muckwarrior wrote: »

Not marginally beaten, well beaten. He got a podium in a race that Massa was set to win but for a mechanical. As a result the points difference was close.

Lance has graduated from being slow-as-f*ck to merely below average.

Fair analysis. He's in the average range.
In the same way that Vettel was good in the last 2 races, Stroll was poor in those weekends. Granted he might have scored points if not for the tyre failure in Baku.

MadYaker · 14-06-2021 08:10AM

Yeah Lance is middling which is fine, you could argue he'd have a right to be there on merit. People bash him and his family but to be honest he seems like a likeable enough guy. His father rescued a team that may have gone bust and offered Williams a fair partnership deal also, they've had a positive influence on the sport imo. A hell of a lot better than Mazepin at least.

What are peoples opinions on the French GP? Many seem to think it's the most boring of the year, is it a guaranteed stinker or worth a watch?

El_Duderino 09 · 14-06-2021 08:20AM

MadYaker wrote: »

Yeah Lance is middling which is fine, you could argue he'd have a right to be there on merit. People bash him and his family but to be honest he seems like a likeable enough guy. His father rescued a team that may have gone bust and offered Williams a fair partnership deal also, they've had a positive influence on the sport imo. A hell of a lot better than Mazepin at least.

What are peoples opinions on the French GP? Many seem to think it's the most boring of the year, is it a guaranteed stinker or worth a watch?

France is up there with Monaco as the worst races.

I find the hate for Mazepin interesting. I think it comes back to an inherent distrust of Russia.the outrage at the Russian flag car design was totally disproportionate. Feeling up young wans and punching rivals were top banter if Senna did it.

In any case. When Mazepin has been there for 5 years. Like Stroll, then this conversation will have moved into the "he's there on merit" phase too - as long as his bottle doesn't go.

duploelabs · 14-06-2021 08:43AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

France is up there with Monaco as the worst races.

I find the hate for Mazepin interesting. I think it comes back to an inherent distrust of Russia.the outrage at the Russian flag car design was totally disproportionate. Feeling up young wans and punching rivals were top banter if Senna did it.

In any case. When Mazepin has been there for 5 years. Like Stroll, then this conversation will have moved into the "he's there on merit" phase too - as long as his bottle doesn't go.

The difference is that Senna could actually drive an F1 car

El_Duderino 09 · 14-06-2021 08:54AM

duploelabs wrote: »

The difference is that Senna could actually drive an F1 car

SO if Mazepin was fast then feeling up young wans and punching rivals would be top banter?

All those outrages were before he had turned an F1 wheel. The flag one in particular was totally over the top. Like, its a flag livery design, so what? But the outrage was proportionate to if he had painted a big "fcuk you" on the side of the car. It was just a national flag.

I don't really care one way or the other. He's one of the least consequential drivers on the grid at the moment, tends to drive around on his own at the back or a few seconds away from Schumacher,.

14-06-2021 08:57AM

duploelabs wrote: »

The difference is that Senna could actually drive an F1 car

Ah hook, line and sinker.

pjohnson · 14-06-2021 09:00AM

How do people still fall for it :pac:

duploelabs · 14-06-2021 09:37AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

SO if Mazepin was fast then feeling up young wans and punching rivals would be top banter?

All those outrages were before he had turned an F1 wheel. The flag one in particular was totally over the top. Like, its a flag livery design, so what? But the outrage was proportionate to if he had painted a big "fcuk you" on the side of the car. It was just a national flag.

The flag is banned due to " a Court of Arbitration for Sport ruling from December which barred Russia’s name, flag, anthem and other national symbols in a package of sanctions over what it deemed Russia’s failure to turn over accurate data from the Moscow drug-testing laboratory. "

not because any sensitivities, actual global sport law.

He shouldn't be on the grid and has caused a serious disproportionate amount of incidences that could lead to something very serious, I'm surprised that he's actually passed his super license

El_Duderino 09 · 14-06-2021 09:52AM

duploelabs wrote: »

The flag is banned due to " a Court of Arbitration for Sport ruling from December which barred Russia’s name, flag, anthem and other national symbols in a package of sanctions over what it deemed Russia’s failure to turn over accurate data from the Moscow drug-testing laboratory. "

not because any sensitivities, actual global sport law.

It's not banned though. They got the livery in before the ban took effect so it turns out it didn't break any rules.

It's just national a flag liver the people got really cross about because they thought it broke a rule but it actually didn't. It's not a bad livery, white with blue and red are pretty classic racing colours. Even so, If I were WADA then I'd be cross that they got around the rules, but I'm not WADA so I really don't see why anyone else got upset. I think it's an anti-Russian bias. I'm probably biased against Russia myself - hard not to be given the media coverage of Russia.

duploelabs · 14-06-2021 09:55AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

It's not banned though. They got the livery in before the ban took effect so it turns out it didn't break any rules.

It's just national a flag liver the people got really cross about because they thought it broke a rule but it actually didn't. It's not a bad livery, white with blue and red are pretty classic racing colours. Even so, If I were WADA then I'd be cross that they got around the rules, but I'm not WADA so I really don't see why anyone else got upset. I think it's an anti-Russian bias. I'm probably biased against Russia myself - hard not to be given the media coverage of Russia.

There's no media bias when it comes to the Russian sports agency, they're found to be corrupt as a total organisation by a court of law, not a court of opinion, hence the ban

El_Duderino 09 · 14-06-2021 10:16AM

duploelabs wrote: »

There's no media bias when it comes to the Russian sports agency, they're found to be corrupt as a total organisation by a court of law, not a court of opinion, hence the ban

No argument on the Russian state sponsored doping. Pretty heavy media bias in general though.

Are we at least agree that the ban doesn't apply to the Haas livery and it doesn't break the rules?

duploelabs · 14-06-2021 10:39AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

No argument on the Russian state sponsored doping. Pretty heavy media bias in general though.

Are we at least agree that the ban doesn't apply to the Haas livery and it doesn't break the rules?

It's there because it got in before the ban, I doubt they'd be able to repeat it next season

El_Duderino 09 · 14-06-2021 10:51AM

duploelabs wrote: »

It's there because it got in before the ban, I doubt they'd be able to repeat it next season

Oh yeah I'd say you're right that they won't be able to carry it over until next year (assuming the have to register these things annually). But they didn't actually break the rules and still people who aren't affected by the rules are cross about them getting in before the rule took effect. Can you see how that's pretty unusual?

It's only a small issue anyway. He's pretty irrelevant in the sport this year. Just making up the numbers in the Haas. Interesting to see how Haas goes next year given that they've switched to developing the new car before anyone else. Solid mid table wouldn't be an unreasonable expectation for them - and then Mazepin's driving style would become much more relevant. He'll have a full year of experience under his belt by then though, and like Stroll, will likely be improved for the practice.

duploelabs · 14-06-2021 12:01PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Oh yeah I'd say you're right that they won't be able to carry it over until next year (assuming the have to register these things annually). But they didn't actually break the rules and still people who aren't affected by the rules are cross about them getting in before the rule took effect. Can you see how that's pretty unusual?

It's only a small issue anyway. He's pretty irrelevant in the sport this year. Just making up the numbers in the Haas. Interesting to see how Haas goes next year given that they've switched to developing the new car before anyone else. Solid mid table wouldn't be an unreasonable expectation for them - and then Mazepin's driving style would become much more relevant. He'll have a full year of experience under his belt by then though, and like Stroll, will likely be improved for the practice.

I'd like to see a historical similarity where a rookie, with as constantly bad margin lap times as Mazepin does, suddenly got good as you attest he will, in a subsequent season

El_Duderino 09 · 14-06-2021 12:05PM

duploelabs wrote: »

I'd like to see a historical similarity where a rookie, with as constantly bad margin lap times as Mazepin does, suddenly got good as you attest he will, in a subsequent season

I don't attest he will become good. I said it's likely he will improve with the benefit of a year's practice. Hardly a bold claim.

Jordan 199 · 14-06-2021 02:48PM

MadYaker wrote: »

What are peoples opinions on the French GP? Many seem to think it's the most boring of the year, is it a guaranteed stinker or worth a watch?

It will probably be a stinker. But they could always liven it up by turning on the sprinklers.

muckwarrior · 14-06-2021 02:48PM

duploelabs wrote: »

The difference is that Senna could actually drive an F1 car

That's not the only difference though. Even if Senna acted like that (frankly I don't know whether he did or not), the world is a different place than it was a few decades ago. Some things that were acceptable then are unacceptable now, and rightly so.

duploelabs · 14-06-2021 02:54PM

This is it wrote: »

He's someone that's easy to dislike, much like Hamilton.

Between the flag/livery, points on his f2 license, the money and grabbing women's bits he might as well be Ivan Drago, all we need is an American to come to the rescue and kick his ass.

Hardly unusual that some people would dislike him, is it?

It's quite the strawman argument to compare him to Hamilton. On his behaviour, I don't want my daughters to grow up around boys who idolise drivers like mazepin and think that behaviour is cool, and thus my daughters, or any women, be subject to it. But that point is not one for this thread.
On a driver front, he's dangerous, and has shown no sign of improvement in pace. You could say 'oh he's learning tha car', well so are the other rookies and they're not 2% down on everyone else. And useless there's a massive turnaround in skill level from what he's displayed so far, I don't see that skill gap closing any time soon

eviltimeban · 15-06-2021 09:48AM

If Mazepin's father wasn't involved, we wouldn't be having these conversations. He'd have already been replaced.

ELM327 · 15-06-2021 10:00AM

If mazespin is still learning the car, why is he consistently behind MSC who would be doing the same?

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