The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

guy2231 · 13-06-2021 3:20pm

costacorta wrote: »

Listen bud I have no problem with anyone voting for whoever they want as long as they are honest enough to say it .. The way I look at it is totally different to you.

I am now mid50s lived thru 2 recessions and at the age of 20 had to leave home and head across the sea to get work like thousands more . I worked 7 days a week stayed in houses with 6 others and believe me it was much tougher than your generation had to deal with.

I came back after 9 yrs got work, married, had kids and bought a house with a 25 yr mortgage. I bet you don’t realise how much interest rates were in early 90s but you know what We grafted hard and got on with it , no foreign holidays or mobile phones or TVs in every room of the house.

Today mortgage paid off early kids now adults and yes 2 still living at home but they seem happy enough have good enough jobs and I think just enjoying things I never had like travelling etc .

I suppose what I’m trying to say is you lot today don’t really know what tough is ? I am going to keep going in my job for another 5 yrs and retire hopefully and head off to somewhere sunny and just relax ..

Finally I never had much time for politicians and never really voted party just for an individual if I knew of them or whatever. My dislike for SF is more their association with IRA and bombs going off in England when being an Irishman working there which wasn’t easy but you younger guys will never experience that .

Well they shouldn't have been terrorising our people and shouldn't have partioned our nation against the will of the majority of the people of Ireland then there would have been no bombs going off in England.

You seem to blame Sinn Fein and the IRA for the hatred you got rather than blame England for what they done or blame the ignorant people who treated you like that.

Brendan Bendar · 13-06-2021 4:04pm

Curtains of text……….I’m outa here dude.

hatrickpatrick · 13-06-2021 4:19pm

costacorta wrote: »

Listen bud I have no problem with anyone voting for whoever they want as long as they are honest enough to say it .. The way I look at it is totally different to you.

I am now mid50s lived thru 2 recessions and at the age of 20 had to leave home and head across the sea to get work like thousands more . I worked 7 days a week stayed in houses with 6 others and believe me it was much tougher than your generation had to deal with.

I came back after 9 yrs got work, married, had kids and bought a house with a 25 yr mortgage. I bet you don’t realise how much interest rates were in early 90s but you know what We grafted hard and got on with it , no foreign holidays or mobile phones or TVs in every room of the house.

Today mortgage paid off early kids now adults and yes 2 still living at home but they seem happy enough have good enough jobs and I think just enjoying things I never had like travelling etc .

I suppose what I’m trying to say is you lot today don’t really know what tough is ? I am going to keep going in my job for another 5 yrs and retire hopefully and head off to somewhere sunny and just relax ..

None of this is relevant, because people are literally comparing their own lives then with their own lives now. That's what so, so many people are entirely failing to understand. This isn't about one generation versus another, this is about one generation's past versus its present, and its future. This generation's past was better than its present, and the reason the present sucks in comparison to the past is a direct consequence of government policies designed intentionally to inflate the cost of residential property. It's that simple. This is not about decade vs decade, this is about five years ago vs today. Five years ago, the ratio between the cost of living and income was lower than it is now. And people are angry about that.

You simply cannot allow people to become accustomed to a certain standard of living, snatch it away from them after they've got comfortable with it, and expect them not to revolt. That's simply not how human psychology works. We can debate the rights and wrongs of the system all we like, it won't change the fact that taking away someone's comfort in life or reducing their standard of living will always make that person angry, and the increase in the cost of living relative to a much smaller increase in income over time has resulted in a generation which was able to live in far better conditions five years ago than it is today.

Frankly, we don't particularly care how it happens, we're demanding that the government make an effort to restore the better life we used to enjoy before the cost of living went through the roof and many of the things people used to be able to enjoy were suddenly put beyond their reach, despite how hard they have worked or any other factors within their control.

This is very, very, very basic human psychology. It shouldn't require endless debate and walls of text to understand.

Look, if I work five hours a day for €5, and with that €5 I can buy five litre bottles of milk at €1 each, that is a particular standard of living.

If in five years due to promotion, I now earn €10 in that same day, but I can now only buy three litre bottles of milk, because while my earnings have doubled, the cost of a bottle of milk has tripled to €3, that means that although I am now working much harder than I did five years ago, my quality of life has ultimately declined. I'm working harder and, due to this stagflation effect, I'm effectively earning less for my work than I did when I worked half as hard in previous years.

That is ultimately what the "recovery" in the macroeconomy has done to young people. That's why they're pissed. Comparing life now to life before we were born is a useless argument because we are literally comparing two lived experienced, one of which was better than the other, and becoming angry at the people who not only forced the lesser of those lived experiences upon us, but smugly and condescendingly told us that we should learn to like it.

No, we won't. The people telling us to do that are the people we're telling to go f*ck themselves at election time.

I really don't know how I can state this any simpler, to be honest.

If €1,200 per month could rent somebody a one bedroom apartment with a separate kitchen and living room in 2016, whereas now that same amount can expect to rent a crappy co-living "unit" with shared facilities and no room to swing a cat, that again represents a decline in living standards.

That is Fine Gael's fault. It's also Fianna Fails fault. Both parties have told us we need to get used to it because they don't want to do anything to fix it. Sinn Fein have told us that we shouldn't have to get used to it and that they will at least try to fix it. Ergo, we are voting against the former and in favour of the latter.

This. Is. Not. Complicated.

Finally I never had much time for politicians and never really voted party just for an individual if I knew of them or whatever. My dislike for SF is more their association with IRA and bombs going off in England when being an Irishman working there which wasn’t easy but you younger guys will never experience that .

That's a fair argument, but again it's lived vs unlived experience. We weren't around for that crisis, but we're around for this one. You feel that Sinn Fein inflamed that one, but we don't know because we weren't there. We feel that Sinn Fein are going to try and fix this one, so we will vote for them.

Very, very basic human psychology.

hatrickpatrick · 13-06-2021 4:21pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Curtains of text……….I’m outa here dude.

We've tried explaining ourselves in simple terms and either through intentional feigning of ignorance or genuine ignorance, people are still asking the same questions. Ergo, we are now answering those questions in more detail, in the hopes that people might finally get it.

Two sentences to summarise: Young people weren't alive for the IRA days, ergo they frankly couldn't care less. They are alive for the housing crisis, ergo frankly they care very deeply.

Hence, the SF surge. It's very, very simple.

Ted_YNWA · 13-06-2021 4:24pm

costacorta wrote: »

You’d want to change your medication as you seem to be hallucinating..

costacorta wrote: »

I got the satire and that’s why I posted it ! You need to take off the balaclava and get some air into that brain &#55358;&#56800;.
I never voted FG in my life so don’t know why you mentioned that ,

And on the point that Ian made I actually would believe that there are priests and plenty of hardcore catholics who would agree with DUP policies and beliefs on Same sex marriage and abortion. I even seen people down south swear they would never give certain politicians a vote again after our abortion referendum.

Now I have as much time for DUP and SF as I have for your rambling on here and stated before that it would be great for everyone if the two parties would just F off to some island and take their followers with them .. You included

costacorta wrote: »

Hmmm Firstly I couldn’t care less what you believe .
Secondly if you want to find out more about Catholic priest you can contact your local SF councillor or TD as he can email Ian junior for an answer as ye are part of a 32county party ye claim so he might get an answer for you ..
Thirdly : Another poster on here defending SF and then denies he ever voted for them. 40 posts since you joined and over 3/4 of them defending SF or giving out about govt on FF/FG thread hmmmm.

I can’t imagine what you be like on here when you eventually get to vote for SF/IRA for the first time ? You must be so excited at the prospect.

So many posters on here defending SF to the bitter end and who never voted for them ? Reminds me of Gerry always denying he was ever in the IRA ..

Mod

Don't post in this thread again. You obviously can't be civil with others.

Brendan Bendar · 13-06-2021 4:28pm

Lot of anger here……. this poster opines.

Might have to steady myself up here…. dangerous times I say….. dangerous times in fairness.

Fann Linn · 13-06-2021 4:30pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Lot of anger here……. this poster opines.

Might have to steady myself up here…. dangerous times I say….. dangerous times in fairness.

Lock up de Hacienda Brenners.
The Enemy is at the Gates!!!

Brendan Bendar · 13-06-2021 6:00pm

Fann Linn wrote: »

Lock up de Hacienda Brenners.
The Enemy is at the Gates!!!

Locked and bolted for a few days, Fann

Don’t want to attract any attention from ‘incendiary sources’.

Wait till things cool down, like.

Bishop of hope · 14-06-2021 6:15am

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

We've tried explaining ourselves in simple terms and either through intentional feigning of ignorance or genuine ignorance, people are still asking the same questions. Ergo, we are now answering those questions in more detail, in the hopes that people might finally get it.

Two sentences to summarise: Young people weren't alive for the IRA days, ergo they frankly couldn't care less. They are alive for the housing crisis, ergo frankly they care very deeply.

Hence, the SF surge. It's very, very simple.

It's local politics versus internationalism really, we are paying the price of our global dependency for our economy.
While we stay at home in Ireland for our work we will have high housing costs, if we were exporting our youngsters as in days gone by to foreign lands housing would be much cheaper.
But economic success and high paid jobs bring their financial demands on the earners.
The only way housing will be cheap again is when the economy bursts or shrinks.
Its what SF, or any party for that matter, will have to do to bring low cost housing back.
Don't be fooled or try to fool others, it's the public demand driving costs, not govt policy on housing really.

RandomName2 · 14-06-2021 8:40am

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Lot of anger here……. this poster opines.

Might have to steady myself up here…. dangerous times I say….. dangerous times in fairness.

I don't personally think that any members of Sinn Fein are particularly likely to engage in violence again, but they do leave open the threat of making life easier for those that are engaged in violence. Sinn Fein targets the Garda Commissioner (politically) and SCC in order to make life easier for dissidents, while they themselves hold information relating to dissidents that they won't divulge.

More serious though is the impact in Northern Ireland if you have a Sinn Fein government here pushing for unification while Sinn Fein is also in Stormont. That will be a definite path for violence, albeit instigated by loyalists. No doubt that will be a price some people here are willing to pay.

guy2231 · 14-06-2021 8:50am

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

We've tried explaining ourselves in simple terms and either through intentional feigning of ignorance or genuine ignorance, people are still asking the same questions. Ergo, we are now answering those questions in more detail, in the hopes that people might finally get it.

Two sentences to summarise: Young people weren't alive for the IRA days, ergo they frankly couldn't care less. They are alive for the housing crisis, ergo frankly they care very deeply.

Hence, the SF surge. It's very, very simple.

Is it because they couldn't care less or is it that young people would see the provisional IRA similar to the old IRA?

Is it in a similar way to now, how older people view the old IRA through rose tinted glasses? Back in the old IRA days the upper and middle classes were largely disgusted by IRA actions and all the civilians that were being killed or disappearing at the hands of the old IRA.

Fann Linn · 14-06-2021 9:09am

guy2231 wrote: »

Is it because they couldn't care less or is it that young people would see the provisional IRA similar to the old IRA?

Is it in a similar way to now, how older people view the old IRA through rose tinted glasses? Back in the old IRA days the upper and middle classes were largely disgusted by IRA actions and all the civilians that were being killed or disappearing at the hands of the old IRA.

I think most people, young and old have moved on since GFA.

FrancieBrady · 14-06-2021 9:13am

guy2231 wrote: »

Is it because they couldn't care less or is it that young people would see the provisional IRA similar to the old IRA?

Is it in a similar way to now, how older people view the old IRA through rose tinted glasses? Back in the old IRA days the upper and middle classes were largely disgusted by IRA actions and all the civilians that were being killed or disappearing at the hands of the old IRA.

Part of the same middle class were happy enough to ignore what the British were doing as well as long as their own wee nests were healthily and abundantly lined. Were it ever thus as we know to our cost.

hatrickpatrick · 14-06-2021 10:05am

Bishop of hope wrote: »

It's local politics versus internationalism really, we are paying the price of our global dependency for our economy.
While we stay at home in Ireland for our work we will have high housing costs, if we were exporting our youngsters as in days gone by to foreign lands housing would be much cheaper.
But economic success and high paid jobs bring their financial demands on the earners.
The only way housing will be cheap again is when the economy bursts or shrinks.
Its what SF, or any party for that matter, will have to do to bring low cost housing back.
Don't be fooled or try to fool others, it's the public demand driving costs, not govt policy on housing really.

Or, alternatively, we could return to building social housing en masse and thus undercut the profits of the private market, thereby relieving demand pressure while ensuring that individuals pay a fair price for the roof over their heads. That's what SF have been calling for and that's what young voters want.

There's a reason O'Devaney Gardens caused such a massive, massive outcry among young people many of whom come from families who have never availed of social housing in the past. We believe that the model of price gouging being socially acceptable is simply no longer tenable and is doing unimaginable harm to society, and we want the government to provide housing as a public service like it did in the past, instead of literally allowing the wolves to be in charge of the chicken farm.

hatrickpatrick · 14-06-2021 10:09am

guy2231 wrote: »

Is it because they couldn't care less or is it that young people would see the provisional IRA similar to the old IRA?

Is it in a similar way to now, how older people view the old IRA through rose tinted glasses? Back in the old IRA days the upper and middle classes were largely disgusted by IRA actions and all the civilians that were being killed or disappearing at the hands of the old IRA.

I mean this in all genuine honesty and I'm 100% not being flippant about the past, but to give you an analogy, if you're currently starving and somebody who before you were born had a family feud with your father offers you food at a decent price and on friendly terms, the fact that your parents didn't get on with him isn't going to matter sh!t to you. That's fundamentally what's happening here.

It's hard to say without sounding flippant but to be absolutely blunt, things have disintegrated so much since the early 2010s for many young people that they would vote for Daniel Kinahan or Ted Bundy if their stated policy objective was "remove housing administration from the hands of for-profit companies and rebuild the public service element of housing provision which Ireland maintained from 1930 to 1990".

Finty Lemon · 14-06-2021 10:16am

Cullinane getting roasted by Pat Kenny.
Bluffer extraordinaire

Fann Linn · 14-06-2021 10:21am

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Cullinane getting roasted by Pat Kenny.
Bluffer extraordinaire

Absolutely ludicrous position. But then again he is trying to defend an idiotic Govt set up in relation to travel.

Pintman Paddy Losty · 14-06-2021 10:30am

I see Philip Ryan has another article looking in to the SF toolkit, looking at their Media playbook. Lots of very angry shinners hopping up and down that he's reporting on them again.

Weird reaction, especially as no one else really cares all that much. Think SF just have an omerta thing going on so when internal secrets are exposed they don't take it very well at all.

starkid · 14-06-2021 10:37am

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

In my view, this pair if tweets says it all, although I wouldn;t single FF out in the second tweet but include all three governing parties:

https://twitter.com/eoinmauricedaly/status/1403956471956705281

https://twitter.com/OrlaGleans/status/1404026339288571904

both pretty simplistic positions without any true analysis of the complexity of the politics and policies included. Will be hilarious watching all the SF lads splutter when the exact same stuff is happening under their watch.

guy2231 · 14-06-2021 10:45am

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I mean this in all genuine honesty and I'm 100% not being flippant about the past, but to give you an analogy, if you're currently starving and somebody who before you were born had a family feud with your father offers you food at a decent price and on friendly terms, the fact that your parents didn't get on with him isn't going to matter sh!t to you. That's fundamentally what's happening here.

It's hard to say without sounding flippant but to be absolutely blunt, things have disintegrated so much since the early 2010s for many young people that they would vote for Daniel Kinahan or Ted Bundy if their stated policy objective was "remove housing administration from the hands of for-profit companies and rebuild the public service element of housing provision which Ireland maintained from 1930 to 1990".

True and also most young people don't look at the provisonal IRA in a bad light and can see the hypocricy of the people who condemn the provos but sing the praises of the old IRA so they would have no problem voting Sinn Fein for having links to the IRA that 4 of the main parties have to the IRA.

The provos are the most popular party North and South of the border.

FrancieBrady · 14-06-2021 10:58am

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

I see Philip Ryan has another article looking in to the SF toolkit, looking at their Media playbook. Lots of very angry shinners hopping up and down that he's reporting on them again.

Weird reaction, especially as no one else really cares all that much. Think SF just have an omerta thing going on so when internal secrets are exposed they don't take it very well at all.

'Internal secrets' that they publish in handouts to party members? Yeh, right.

Internal secrets are the ones hacks with agenda's don't realise they are exposing in other parties.

guy2231 · 14-06-2021 11:02am

Edwin Poots DUP leader warns of violence on streets if Sinn Féin block first minister appointment, I don't think there can ever be true peace and harmony in Ireland while the British presence remains.

https://www.irishnews.com/paywall/tsb/irishnews/irishnews/irishnews//news/northernirelandnews/2021/06/14/news/edwin-poots-warns-of-violence-on-streets-if-sinn-fe-in-block-first-minister-appointment-2354294/content.html

jammiedodgers · 14-06-2021 11:09am

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

I see Philip Ryan has another article looking in to the SF toolkit, looking at their Media playbook. Lots of very angry shinners hopping up and down that he's reporting on them again.

https://twitter.com/Philip_Ryan/status/1404365819044323328

Those monsters, returning phone calls in a timely fashion. Is there no end to their sinister shenanigans Paddy?

Furze99 · 14-06-2021 11:12am

Going to be an interesting week in the tortured life of Irish and NI politics. At least the public will get a measure of how serious Sinn Féin are about government. Can they hold their noses and go in with Poots and do the decent thing by the citizens of NI? Or will they use a language act that very few give a sh*t about as a figleaf to walk off and pontificate from a distance?

Pintman Paddy Losty · 14-06-2021 11:12am

jammiedodgers wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Philip_Ryan/status/1404365819044323328

Those monsters, returning phone calls in a timely fashion. Is there no end to their sinister shenanigans Paddy?

Eh, it's an interesting story... why does everything have to be viewed as an attack? SF supporters very angry and defensive about nothing. It's weird.

ineedeuro · 14-06-2021 11:33am

jammiedodgers wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Philip_Ryan/status/1404365819044323328

Those monsters, returning phone calls in a timely fashion. Is there no end to their sinister shenanigans Paddy?

Bit pointless sharing that document, I would expect all parties have similar.

Fann Linn · 14-06-2021 1:05pm

ineedeuro wrote: »

Bit pointless sharing that document, I would expect all parties have similar.

You're right. Ryan thinking he has an exclusive when in actual fact he has sweet fa. I was involved with a communications unit in a trade union and we had similar guides with how to interact with print or radio media.

He's begining to come across now as one of Harris'/Barbara Pyms acolytes the way he's rushing to print with anything that has a SF logo.

guy2231 · 14-06-2021 2:40pm

Fann Linn wrote: »

You're right. Ryan thinking he has an exclusive when in actual fact he has sweet fa. I was involved with a communications unit in a trade union and we had similar guides with how to interact with print or radio media.

He's begining to come across now as one of Harris'/Barbara Pyms acolytes the way he's rushing to print with anything that has a SF logo.

That's what it takes to be a part of the independent, they are extremely biased against Sinn Fein they are likely in a cahoots with the main parties.

The Independent has been forced to apologise by the Press Council to Sinn Féin on numerous occasions for its inaccurate and untruthful reporting including a story about an alleged “orchestrated campaign of intimidation” to “bully” RTÉ, as the Indo sensationally claimed before.

FrancieBrady · 14-06-2021 5:35pm

:D

https://twitter.com/DrHaroldNews/status/1404431603871457284

zerosugarbuzz · 14-06-2021 5:42pm

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I mean this in all genuine honesty and I'm 100% not being flippant about the past, but to give you an analogy, if you're currently starving and somebody who before you were born had a family feud with your father offers you food at a decent price and on friendly terms, the fact that your parents didn't get on with him isn't going to matter sh!t to you. That's fundamentally what's happening here.

It's hard to say without sounding flippant but to be absolutely blunt, things have disintegrated so much since the early 2010s for many young people that they would vote for Daniel Kinahan or Ted Bundy if their stated policy objective was "remove housing administration from the hands of for-profit companies and rebuild the public service element of housing provision which Ireland maintained from 1930 to 1990".

Wouldn’t go quite as far as kinahan or Bundy but exactly this for me and a lot of my friends and colleagues. Never would have been Sinn Fein voters but situation has driven us to them on behalf of future generations housing and other needs.

Hamsterchops · 14-06-2021 5:45pm

Looks like the old Shinners are going to hold the NI Assembly to Ransome again over the nomination of the new 1st Minister & deputy, unless they get their Irish language act first :cool:

Oh dear Lord, that is so unfair on the people of NI who will probably be in limbo for another three years or more? Until SF get their way.

padd b1975 · 14-06-2021 5:53pm

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

I see Philip Ryan has another article looking in to the SF toolkit, looking at their Media playbook. Lots of very angry shinners hopping up and down that he's reporting on them again.

Weird reaction, especially as no one else really cares all that much. Think SF just have an omerta thing going on so when internal secrets are exposed they don't take it very well at all.

In time-honoured republican fashion, there's probably no end of touts (sic).

ineedeuro · 14-06-2021 5:54pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Looks like the old Shinners are going to hold the NI Assembly to Ransome again over the nomination of the new 1st Minister & deputy, unless they get their Irish language act first :cool:

Oh dear Lord, that is so unfair on the people of NI who will probably be in limbo for another three years or more? Until SF get their way.

Just when you think Sinn Fein are starting to act like a political party they fire up this again.

Fann Linn · 14-06-2021 5:59pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Looks like the old Shinners are going to hold the NI Assembly to Ransome again over the nomination of the new 1st Minister & deputy, unless they get their Irish language act first :cool:

Oh dear Lord, that is so unfair on the people of NI who will probably be in limbo for another three years or more? Until SF get their way.

The language act was agreed on prior to Arlene stepping down. Poots could of course say let it through, he probably won't to play to his loyalist base, however the lads on here seem to think it's SF fault.

14-06-2021 6:00pm

Election then so, your call Poots!

FrancieBrady · 14-06-2021 6:09pm

The usual crew queuing up to make it SF's fault for looking for something agreed in 2002 to be implemented.

ineedeuro · 14-06-2021 6:10pm

Fann Linn wrote: »

The language act was agreed on prior to Arlene stepping down. Poots could of course say let it through, he probably won't to play to his loyalist base, however the lads on here seem to think it's SF fault.

I think we can all agree according to a few people on here nothing is ever Sinn Fein fault. Correct?

Fann Linn · 14-06-2021 6:12pm

ineedeuro wrote: »

I think we can all agree according to a few people on here nothing is ever Sinn Fein fault. Correct?

Do you agree that something which was legislated for should be discarded at the whim of one party?

Hamsterchops · 14-06-2021 6:13pm

SF are using the language act as a weapon.

So unfair.

I mean, I could understand if even half the NI population spoke & conversed in Irish, but they don't, so SF are just going to make a point by taking down the Assembly (again) until hey get their way!

nialler1978 · 14-06-2021 6:15pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

SF are using the language act as a weapon.

So unfair.

Do tell more please, how are they weaponising the language act?

Fann Linn · 14-06-2021 6:17pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

SF are using the language act as a weapon.

So unfair.

I mean, I could understand if even half the NI population spoke & conversed in Irish, but they don't, so SF are just going to make a point by taking down the Assembly (again) until hey get their way!

An Act which the Irish govt, the Alliance Party, SDLP, Conradh na Gaeilge, David Irvine's wife all support.

FrancieBrady · 14-06-2021 6:19pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

SF are using the language act as a weapon.

So unfair.

I mean, I could understand if even half the NI population spoke & conversed in Irish, but they don't, so SF are just going to make a point by taking down the Assembly (again) until hey get their way!

And not implementing it when it was agreed several times while they triumphalised and mocked was not weapinising it?

When the DUP were cheerleading Brexit and May and Boris I must have missed your posts worrying about de people

StupidLikeAFox · 14-06-2021 6:21pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The usual crew queuing up to make it SF's fault for looking for something agreed in 2002 to be implemented.

Its entirely Sinn Feins fault for trying to crowbar it into an unrelated nomination for first minister.

I mean its clever politically, but let's face it, they are only shoehorning it in to put pressure on their opponent

FrancieBrady · 14-06-2021 6:23pm

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

Its entirely Sinn Feins fault for trying to crowbar it into an unrelated nomination for first minister.

I mean its clever politically, but let's face it, they are only shoehorning it in to put pressure on their opponent

How is it 'unrelated'?

They agreed to it. Implement it. Simple.

Fann Linn · 14-06-2021 6:24pm

If I'm not mistaken even Westminster backed this at the start of the century.

Hamsterchops · 14-06-2021 7:35pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

When the DUP were cheerleading Brexit and May and Boris I must have missed your posts worrying about de people

Missed my posts, yes maybe you should have gone to Specsavers.

I've blasted Brexit and its supporters many times, big mistake Brexit. Flawed in so many ways.

ineedeuro · 14-06-2021 7:40pm

Fann Linn wrote: »

Do you agree that something which was legislated for should be discarded at the whim of one party?

This is the article I seen
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-57460586

Sinn Fein don't believe the DUP but nobody in the DUP said it is discarded. Based on this unless you have different?

Shebean · 14-06-2021 9:37pm

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

Its entirely Sinn Feins fault for trying to crowbar it into an unrelated nomination for first minister.

I mean its clever politically, but let's face it, they are only shoehorning it in to put pressure on their opponent

Sinn Fein seems to think Poots is being dishonest. It certainly seems like he's in no hurry to bring in the language act agreed to, this side of an election.
I don't see a crowbar I see them asking him to honor the agreement.

Stormont is a patch work hold on a problem that isn't going anywhere. It's the field hospital equivalent of a government.

FrancieBrady · 14-06-2021 9:50pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Missed my posts, yes maybe you should have gone to Specsavers.

I've blasted Brexit and its supporters many times, big mistake Brexit. Flawed in so many ways.

So show me a post where you worried about the people of NI when the DUP were promoting Brexit.

Hamsterchops · 15-06-2021 5:50am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So show me a post where you worried about the people of NI when the DUP were promoting Brexit.

I've been worried about Brexit since the off, not only the people of NI, but here in the South too, for we're also suffering with all the new red tape and complications around Brexit, like even today there's an RTE article about the processing of Whiskey & some dairy products, and the complications regarding their status & origin!

See link > http://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2021/0614/1228079-cross-border/

Obviously the Tories & the DUP never factored in this (third country of origin) headache when they and their supporters voted for Brexit.

The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

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