Fly me to the Moon - your 3rd travel Megathread - read OP

The Nutty M · 03-06-2021 9:07pm

bubblypop wrote: »

The grilling is nothing to do with fines.
It is to make sure.people are doing what they should be doing with regard to tests and isolation at home.

So to be questioned as to what you were doing in a country, not what you are going to be doing in Ireland has something to do with tests and isolation in Ireland? Interesting. I hope you'll enjoy the wait and queue that we endured last Saturday at immigration.

03-06-2021 9:14pm

The Nutty M wrote: »

So to be questioned as to what you were doing in a country, not what you are going to be doing in Ireland has something to do with tests and isolation in Ireland? Interesting. I hope you'll enjoy the wait and queue that we endured last Saturday at immigration.

I think that's my question answered
You are asked and better have your story straight?
Also,let's be very clear they can prosecute when you get home,so having things water tight is important
Can I fly to London by the way to examine 2nd hand machinery I'm buying or would I be fined?

03-06-2021 9:15pm

Marine Layer wrote: »

So you answered a question you have no experience of
Yes you can be fined if the Garda suspects you left the country non essentially
So let's ask the question again and this time could someone with ACTUAL experience of what the Garda said or asked at the hatch answer ,thanks
Was it a case of 2019,the usual,glance at passport and wave on or is there a deeper probe

No you cant.
Read the legislation

03-06-2021 9:18pm

The Nutty M wrote: »

So to be questioned as to what you were doing in a country, not what you are going to be doing in Ireland has something to do with tests and isolation in Ireland? Interesting. I hope you'll enjoy the wait and queue that we endured last Saturday at immigration.

Immigration can ask whatever they want.
They can also give advise about restrictions in ireland.
They cannot give fines for leaving the country.
The fine is for travel to the airport for the purpose of leaving on non essential travel.

Read the legislation lads.

naufragos123 · 03-06-2021 9:22pm

Marine Layer wrote: »

So you answered a question you have no experience of
Yes you can be fined if the Garda suspects you left the country non essentially
So let's ask the question again and this time could someone with ACTUAL experience of what the Garda said or asked at the hatch answer ,thanks
Was it a case of 2019,the usual,glance at passport and wave on or is there a deeper probe

I think you're being a bit rude.To my knowledge bubblypop is a Garda and is kind enough to share his /her knowledge and information.

You're also being a tad over dramatic saying stuff like no avoiding the fine and people are "entitled" to be fined. You avoid the fine if you can prove you are travelling for one of the list of acceptable excuses and there are quite a few.

I've not heard of anybody being followed up coming back and feel reassured by the replies here, however I'd like to hear more to feel better about it. But I'm grateful for the information, nobody here has to help.

The Nutty M · 03-06-2021 9:24pm

bubblypop wrote: »

Immigration can ask whatever they want.
They can also give advise about restrictions in ireland.
They cannot give fines for leaving the country.
The fine is for travel to the airport for the purpose of leaving on non essential travel.

Read the legislation lads.

Enjoy your experience of going through immigration while quoting the relevant SI to the officer. They will really like that. Thanks for the input.

03-06-2021 9:24pm

bubblypop wrote: »

No you cant.
Read the legislation

You are saying you cannot be prosecuted for a crime after you have committed it
You are talking out of your hole

stephenjmcd · 03-06-2021 9:25pm

Marine Layer wrote: »

You are saying you cannot be prosecuted for a crime after you have committed it
You are talking out of your hole

Read the bloody legislation, the offence is leaving the state not entering. Free to enter as you please once you have a valid PCR if coming from a country not on MHQ.

The SI specifically states the offence is leaving the state, as has already been mentioned, once you pass through the checks at ports or airports outbound then your fine, your reason for travel has been accepted.

Restrictions of movement of applicable persons in relation to travel from place of residence to port or airport
4. (1) Subject to paragraph (2), an applicable person shall not travel to an airport or port for the purpose of leaving the State without reasonable excuse.

03-06-2021 9:26pm

The Nutty M wrote: »

Enjoy your experience of going through immigration while quoting the relevant SI to the officer. They will really like that. Thanks for the input.

I won't need to quote anything to the immigration officer because I know I won't be prosecuted.
You are entitled by law to travel home.

Marcusm · 03-06-2021 9:30pm

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

That cant be right surely. How do they know the sample was taken properly or from the person?

dodzy wrote: »

Nota hope of that being true.

I’m not making it up; the U.K. is satisfied with it as an approach. Ryanair partners with Randox in selling them. With others, you can buy a literal flow device. What you do then is schedule an online session where you are watched taking the test, then the result following which they email you a PDF cert! I too find these odd but I am not that prone to misdirection or hyperbole!

03-06-2021 9:31pm

bubblypop wrote: »

I won't need to quote anything to the immigration officer because I know I won't be prosecuted.
You are entitled by law to travel home.

Of course you are but you're ignoring that if suspected upon return of breaking the law leaving, you can be fined and prosecuted
Its not a prosecution for breaking the law going home its for leaving non essentially

03-06-2021 9:33pm

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Read the bloody legislation, the offence is leaving the state not entering. Free to enter as you please once you have a valid PCR if coming from a country not on MHQ.

The SI specifically states the offence is leaving the state, as has already been mentioned, once you pass through the checks at ports or airports outbound then your fine.

Restrictions of movement of applicable persons in relation to travel from place of residence to port or airport
4. (1) Subject to paragraph (2), an applicable person shall not travel to an airport or port for the purpose of leaving the State without reasonable excuse.

Thats all very fine Stephen
But how did you fly out,were you picked up on the M11 ?

Marcusm · 03-06-2021 9:34pm

Hellrazer wrote: »

Its actually not that bad - I organised my daughter going off to work in Italy for the summer last week - Randox sends you an email. You upload it to Ryanairs "document" folder and they didn't even look it all the way to Italy.

I printed her hard copies just in case and she wasn't asked for them anywhere - she flew Dublin - Stansted - Stansted to Venice.

She said it was as easy as if there was no covid at all. Took about 20 minutes to organise everything - had to resize the pdf as Ryanair have a file limit of 2mb and it was 3.5mb or something.

In Belfast, they do a visual check of the PCR result at checkin and again at the boarding gate. SEF, Portuguese border control, do a visual check at passport control (all e-gates closed). None scanned the QR code and anyone with Adobe competence to rejig the name and dates. This equates to what was stated by a minister during the week but he was pulled up on the basis that they still respected/insisten on them.

Marcusm · 03-06-2021 9:35pm

Wombatman wrote: »

Where are people thinking about going for pre-travel PCR tests? How much are we expecting to pay per test?

Based in Galway so looking a these guys....

https://booking.randox.ie/

Randox is a huge NI lab doing lots of U.K. government tests. My own experience was that they were very efficient. They collect the samples and then processed overnight.

03-06-2021 9:35pm

Marine Layer wrote: »

Of course you are but you're ignoring that if suspected upon return of breaking the law leaving, you can be fined and prosecuted
Its not a prosecution for breaking the law going home its for leaving non essentially

No.
You cannot

And I am not 'talking out of my hole'
I understand the law, you clearly do not.

03-06-2021 9:36pm

bubblypop wrote: »

No.
You cannot

You cannot be prosecuted for breaking the law?
Ha ha ha

Marcusm · 03-06-2021 9:37pm

Marine Layer wrote: »

So you answered a question you have no experience of
Yes you can be fined if the Garda suspects you left the country non essentially
So let's ask the question again and this time could someone with ACTUAL experience of what the Garda said or asked at the hatch answer ,thanks
Was it a case of 2019,the usual,glance at passport and wave on or is there a deeper probe

The fine is for going to a port or airport with the intention of leaving the country. Returning to the country does not provide sufficient evidence to the Gardai as to when or how you left. There is/was a small fine for Jon-essential inbound travel.

stephenjmcd · 03-06-2021 9:37pm

Marine Layer wrote: »

Thats all very fine Stephen
But how did you fly out,were you picked up on the M11 ?

What are you rambling about now ?

You've been told your wrong so just get over it and stop trying to have an argument for the sake of it.

I've double checked it with 2 Garda friends who have been involved in the airport checkpoints, you can't be fined €2000 when coming back into the country, it's outbound only. If you went ahead with your non essential journey on the way out your 2k fine will be at home waiting for you, if they accepted your reason for travel then your fine, just follow the requirements for inbound travel

Marcusm · 03-06-2021 9:38pm

Marine Layer wrote: »

I think that's my question answered
You are asked and better have your story straight?
Also,let's be very clear they can prosecute when you get home,so having things water tight is important
Can I fly to London by the way to examine 2nd hand machinery I'm buying or would I be fined?

As an Irish citizen none of the questions are compulsory so there is no evidence unless it is given!

03-06-2021 9:39pm

Marine Layer wrote: »

You cannot be prosecuted for breaking the law?
Ha ha ha

Did you post here looking for information or not?
You have been told. I'm not sure why you feel the need to insult posters who are actually helping you.

03-06-2021 9:43pm

stephenjmcd wrote: »

What are you rambling about now ?

You've been told your wrong so just get over it and stop trying to have an argument for the sake of it.

I've double checked it with 2 Garda friends who have been involved in the airport checkpoints, you can't be fined €2000 when coming back into the country, it's outbound only. If you went ahead with your non essential journey on the way out your 2k fine will be at home waiting for you, if they accepted your reason for travel then your fine, just follow the requirements for inbound travel

Instead of talking about a point I didn't make re a fne for returning
Go back and ask you 2 new Garda friends if you can be fined or prosecuted on return if suspected of breaking the law leaving

rm212 · 03-06-2021 9:46pm

Marine Layer wrote: »

Instead of talking about a point I didn't make re a fne for returning
Go back and ask you 2 new Garda friends if you can be fined or prosecuted on return if suspected of breaking the law leaving

Pack it in, you’ve clearly been proven wrong. Don’t beat a dead horse.

03-06-2021 9:47pm

Marine Layer wrote: »

Instead of talking about a point I didn't make re a fne for returning
Go back and ask you 2 new Garda friends if you can be fined or prosecuted on return if suspected of breaking the law leaving

You have been told.
You cannot.
Get it yet?

03-06-2021 9:49pm

rm212 wrote: »

Pack it in, you’ve clearly been proven wrong. Don’t beat a dead horse.

I haven't actually
A poster here with actual experience of the immigration gardai in the last week confirmed being grilled on the purpose of their journey
The other posters annoyed at this prospect were talking with no recent experience
What use is this thread without experienced people giving the answers?

josip · 03-06-2021 9:51pm

patscott27 wrote: »

Latest variant is now being called the delta variant.

That's a change.

03-06-2021 9:52pm

Marine Layer wrote: »

I haven't actually
A poster here with actual experience of the immigration gardai in the last week confirmed being grilled on the purpose of their journey
The other posters annoyed at this prospect were talking with no recent experience
What use is this thread without experienced people giving the answers?

Oh, I dunno......
Maybe posters who understand the law might give some advise!
Doesn't matter what immigration ask, you are an Irish citizen travelling home. End of.

03-06-2021 9:53pm

josip wrote: »

That's a change.

Variants are being named after letters in the Greek alphabet now.

03-06-2021 10:02pm

bubblypop wrote: »

Oh, I dunno......
Maybe posters who understand the law might give some advise!
Doesn't matter what immigration ask, you are an Irish citizen travelling home. End of.

I was never asking about the returning home bit
I was asking about being questioned about when you left and why
That is not 2019 immigration
A Garda can prosecute you for a crime committed prior to coming home
The best that can be advised here is they won't

03-06-2021 10:05pm

Marine Layer wrote: »

I was never asking about the returning home bit
I was asking about being questioned about when you left and why
That is not 2019 immigration
A Garda can prosecute you for a crime committed prior to coming home
The best that can be advised here is they won't

Ah Jaysis
You just don't listen!

A garda can prosecute you for a crime you committed before you left, they cannot however prosecute you and fine you for travelling to the airport for the purpose of leaving the jurisdiction on non essential travel.
Sweet baby jebus!
I'm out!

Valhallapt · 03-06-2021 10:08pm

Anyone gone through Dublin airport with young kids recently, did the gardai ask extra questions?

Helpsos · 03-06-2021 10:13pm

Valhallapt wrote: »

Anyone gone through Dublin airport with young kids recently, did the gardai ask extra questions?

This is my question too .... due to fly mid June thinking of delaying to late July now... as the thoughts of this mad fine are stressing me out

braychelsea · 03-06-2021 10:23pm

Marine Layer wrote: »

I haven't actually
A poster here with actual experience of the immigration gardai in the last week confirmed being grilled on the purpose of their journey
The other posters annoyed at this prospect were talking with no recent experience
What use is this thread without experienced people giving the answers?

Came back through Dublin Airport yesterday and there is no garda checks, it is just immigration officials and they only ask for proof of your PCR test and Passenger Locator Form.

josip · 03-06-2021 10:24pm

josip wrote: »

patscott27 wrote: »

Yes the variant formerly know as Yeti is now called Delta

That's a change.

bubblypop wrote: »

Variants are being named after letters in the Greek alphabet now.

Whoosh Bubbly

naufragos123 · 03-06-2021 10:24pm

Helpsos wrote: »

This is my question too .... due to fly mid June thinking of delaying to late July now... as the thoughts of this mad fine are stressing me out

Can you not avail of one of the accepted excuses?

03-06-2021 10:25pm

bubblypop wrote: »

Ah Jaysis
You just don't listen!

A garda can prosecute you for a crime you committed before you left, they cannot however prosecute you and fine you for travelling to the airport for the purpose of leaving the jurisdiction on non essential travel.
Sweet baby jebus!
I'm out!

Well we'll agree to disagree then,for peace sake
Its the first time I've ever heard of a situation proffered where a law is suspected of being broken and won't be taken further
My original question was around do you need to get your story straight at the hatch
The advice from the lad gone through recently is yes
If he's not been frightened off by this exchange hopefully he'll be back next week with more first hand knowledge of the process
Me I'm minded to wait until the 19th July assuming no pcr test needed for us fully vaccinated folk then too

03-06-2021 10:28pm

josip wrote: »

Whoosh Bubbly

03-06-2021 10:33pm

Marine Layer wrote: »

Well we'll agree to disagree then,for peace sake
Its the first time I've ever heard of a situation proffered where a law is suspected of being broken and won't be taken further
My original question was around do you need to get your story straight at the hatch
The advice from the lad gone through recently is yes
If he's not been frightened off by this exchange hopefully he'll be back next week with more first hand knowledge of the process
Me I'm minded to wait until the 19th July assuming no pcr test needed for us fully vaccinated folk then too

Ah Jaysis.
Immigration.
No garda checks.
No fine for leaving when you are coming back.

Apology accepted

afatbollix · 03-06-2021 10:36pm

To the person saying you can get fined for coming into the country, you can't.

They are immigration officials not Gardai at passport control.
They ask for test results, locator form, and vaccination proof. They asked my reason for coming in and visiting family was accepted just last week. They can't give out fines only Gardai can and the law is for traveling to the airport not returning.

To the ones asking about traveling with kids, Quite a few about! Loads of babies on my flight. Gardai didn't stop me as I used fast track. But honest to god I'm sure you can make up your best excuse that people have said above.

If you don't want to break the rules for a moral reason best to delay to the 19th.

sy_flembeck · 03-06-2021 10:50pm

Feria40 wrote: »

Are there any clouds on the horizon at this juncture? What could go wrong?? Tell me to relax!!!

Apparently due to the Castletroy Variant the next 14 days are critical. I was down that way last weekend and I was SHOCKED by what I saw. It was like Jones's Road on All Ireland Day, Joe

03-06-2021 11:12pm

bubblypop wrote: »

Ah Jaysis.
Immigration.
No garda checks.
No fine for leaving when you are coming back.

Apology accepted

All you've said there is to not worry about the law I've broken going out,your apology is also accepted given we're acknowledging invisible ones

But seriously can we agree finally to disagree because we definitely do

The Nutty M · 03-06-2021 11:14pm

afatbollix wrote: »

To the person saying you can get fined for coming into the country, you can't.

They are immigration officials not Gardai at passport control.
They ask for test results, locator form, and vaccination proof. They asked my reason for coming in and visiting family was accepted just last week. They can't give out fines only Gardai can and the law is for traveling to the airport not returning.

To the ones asking about traveling with kids, Quite a few about! Loads of babies on my flight. Gardai didn't stop me as I used fast track. But honest to god I'm sure you can make up your best excuse that people have said above.

If you don't want to break the rules for a moral reason best to delay to the 19th.

They are immigration officials not Gardai at passport control

Some are AGS,the ones we got last Saturday were, the most of them are not. Just to correct your inaccurate statement.

03-06-2021 11:38pm

The Nutty M wrote: »

They are immigration officials not Gardai at passport control

Some are AGS,the ones we got last Saturday were, the most of them are not. Just to correct your inaccurate statement.

Gardai do NOT work the immigration desks. They have no role there. They are immigration and not Gardai.

Just to correct your incorrect statement

03-06-2021 11:42pm

Marine Layer wrote: »

I haven't actually
A poster here with actual experience of the immigration gardai in the last week confirmed being grilled on the purpose of their journey
The other posters annoyed at this prospect were talking with no recent experience
What use is this thread without experienced people giving the answers?

Both myself and bubblepop are Gardai. We work in an airport and port, we have issued these fines. We have direct professional experience.

People that have traveled have also pointed out your errors.

A person who works in the legal field had pointed out your mistake.

You are wrong, accept it, be gracious and move on.

JoChervil · 04-06-2021 12:07am

afatbollix wrote: »

To the person saying you can get fined for coming into the country, you can't.

They are immigration officials not Gardai at passport control.
They ask for test results, locator form, and vaccination proof. They asked my reason for coming in and visiting family was accepted just last week. They can't give out fines only Gardai can and the law is for traveling to the airport not returning.

To the ones asking about traveling with kids, Quite a few about! Loads of babies on my flight. Gardai didn't stop me as I used fast track. But honest to god I'm sure you can make up your best excuse that people have said above.

If you don't want to break the rules for a moral reason best to delay to the 19th.

I am flying to Poland next Friday. So which test do I have to do here? I was vaccinated a month ago with AZ first dose and in Poland rapid antigen test is required, which is done in 15 minutes on arrival.

Which test do I have to do here before boarding the flight? or maybe I don't need any in my case?

Manic Moran · 04-06-2021 12:11am

Meanwhile, over on the other side of the pond, I just did a quick two-day trip San Antonio to Ft Benning (via ATL). TSA says that airport travel is back up to about 90% of what it was pre-pandemic and, given that international basically isn't happening, that seems to me to be about as near to, if not greater than, pre-pandemic levels for domestic. Given how busy the airports were, I believe it. I had to laugh at the 'distancing' decals on the floor of the inter-terminal tram. That wasn't happening. That said, the long-term parking lots were all virtually empty.

In-flight service is a bit curtailed, but in super-economy one doesn't expect much anyway. Masks obligatory, and since the airlines aren't flying international, they're actually starting to use wide-bodies in long-haul configuration (eg lie-flat seats up front) for domestic routes. Good if you can get them.

The biggest problem is that the airlines have not restarted a lot of the smaller routes. What used to be direct routing now requires transfers or alternate nearby airports. Two more trips later this month, we'll see how we shake out.

For those who are curious, I've been fully vaccinated for almost a month now. Nationally, we're at over 60% of adults.

04-06-2021 12:51am

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Both myself and bubblepop are Gardai. We work in an airport and port, we have issued these fines. We have direct professional experience.

People that have traveled have also pointed out your errors.

A person who works in the legal field had pointed out your mistake.

You are wrong, accept it, be gracious and move on.

With respect, I did not ask if you break the law by coming home
I asked why you cannot be prosecuted for breaking the law when leaving, when you come home if the evidence is there that you broke it going out
Noone has provided anything here as to why you cannot
Alright I've seen 2 things, assertions about it not being illegal to come home which is not what I asked and 2nd fair enough assertions that my law breaking transgression going out will essentially be ignored
Frankly unless clarity can be given on that 2nd point as to why a broken law cannot be actioned,, I'm still at a loss here as to.my lack of exposure and chastising me for raising it isn't an answer

rm212 · 04-06-2021 1:01am

Marine Layer wrote: »

With respect, I did not ask if you break the law by coming home
I asked why you cannot be prosecuted for breaking the law when leaving, when you come home if the evidence is there that you broke it going out
Noone has provided anything here as to why you cannot
Alright I've seen 2 things, assertions about it not being illegal to come home which is not what I asked and 2nd fair enough assertions that my law breaking transgression going out will essentially be ignored
Frankly unless clarity can be given on that 2nd point as to why a broken law cannot be actioned,, I'm still at a loss here as to.my lack of exposure and chastising me for raising it isn't an answer

I can’t believe you’re still going on and on about this. You’re just embarrassing yourself man, move on, you’ve been told by the people issuing the fines that it cannot happen.

04-06-2021 1:11am

rm212 wrote: »

I can’t believe you’re still going on and on about this. You’re just embarrassing yourself man, move on, you’ve been told by the people issuing the fines that it cannot happen.

I've been told it won't happen ,not that it cannot happen
Forgive me if I'm not at one with being told I'm OK if I've broken a law
I shall not engage anymore, simply because one penny has dropped, some here are mis understanding my question as disagreeing with what they are doing or wanting to do
Genuinely it is not,far from it in fact

eltonyio · 04-06-2021 7:23am

A slightly more critical piece which calls out some of the spoofing and misinformation in the IT today.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/ministers-will-duck-dive-and-delay-on-international-travel-for-as-long-as-they-can-1.458

Valhallapt · 04-06-2021 7:59am

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Both myself and bubblepop are Gardai. We work in an airport and port, we have issued these fines. We have direct professional experience.

I know you can’t speak for all gardai, but how are they viewing their role in enforcement, are they looking to catch people out, I believe my travel is deemed essential, but I’m worried a member of an gardai will not see it that way and issue a fine.

Fly me to the Moon - your 3rd travel Megathread - read OP

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