Fly me to the Moon - your 3rd travel Megathread - read OP

Foxtrol · 02-06-2021 4:03pm

Klonker wrote: »

I'm saying they shouldn't extend the law so they wouldn't be extending it and not enforcing it. Anyway, I fully expect it to be renewed in the morning but I'm still holding out a bit of hope it won't.

It makes even less sense to me for them to completely ignore the announcement the made 5 days ago and not bother extending the element prohibiting non-essential travel - which was there from early on, they later added fines and then increased them.

As I said, I think there is some small hope for them letting the penalty lapse but none of that hope would be related to the reasons you've mentioned. Best of luck anyway

Feria40 · 02-06-2021 4:08pm

IrishStuff09 wrote: »

Am I correct in reading this that the travel fine has been further extended to July 5th...?

https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/1f150-view-statutory-instruments-related-to-the-covid-19-pandemic/

S.I. No. 267: https://assets.gov.ie/136771/9a55fc91-31c1-4f1f-a194-2b4d05a92452.pdf

Well son of a gun. That's my reading of it

dublin_paul · 02-06-2021 4:11pm

IrishStuff09 wrote: »

Am I correct in reading this that the travel fine has been further extended to July 5th...?

https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/1f150-view-statutory-instruments-related-to-the-covid-19-pandemic/

S.I. No. 267: https://assets.gov.ie/136771/9a55fc91-31c1-4f1f-a194-2b4d05a92452.pdf

yep he's extended the travel fine

Del Griffith · 02-06-2021 4:20pm

IrishStuff09 wrote: »

Am I correct in reading this that the travel fine has been further extended to July 5th...?

https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/1f150-view-statutory-instruments-related-to-the-covid-19-pandemic/

S.I. No. 267: https://assets.gov.ie/136771/9a55fc91-31c1-4f1f-a194-2b4d05a92452.pdf

Of course. It nonsensical and a lot of the time unenforceable, so of course Donnelly would keep it going.

02-06-2021 4:25pm

IrishStuff09 wrote: »

Am I correct in reading this that the travel fine has been further extended to July 5th...?

https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/1f150-view-statutory-instruments-related-to-the-covid-19-pandemic/

S.I. No. 267: https://assets.gov.ie/136771/9a55fc91-31c1-4f1f-a194-2b4d05a92452.pdf

dublin_paul wrote: »

yep he's extended the travel fine

Feria40 wrote: »

Well son of a gun. That's my reading of it

That appears to relate to other covid restrictions such as gatherings and events and not travel

naufragos123 · 02-06-2021 4:35pm

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

That appears to relate to other covid restrictions such as gatherings and events and not travel

That's what I was thinking as well. But then thought I was perhaps clutching at straws.
Really wish we knew for sure.

BrokenMan · 02-06-2021 4:35pm

naufragos123 wrote: »

That's what I was thinking as well. But then thought I was perhaps clutching at straws.
Really wish we knew for sure.

No mention of travel there that I can find

naufragos123 · 02-06-2021 4:41pm

Are we to assume that it simply extends the date to 5th July covering all temporary Covid offences which incur a fine?

Klonker · 02-06-2021 4:41pm

My reading of it is the restrictions/laws which were on the previous version that expires today is renewed up to 7th July, and the following is all the amendments. So what's on that new document are just the slight changes (gathering numbers etc.) and everything that was on the previous version has also been extended.

Now that's just my reading of it, I really hope I'm wrong!

dublin_paul · 02-06-2021 4:53pm

Why did they only renew it until 7th July instead of the 19th July? It suggests to me that they won't extend again just for 12 days

Valhallapt · 02-06-2021 4:53pm

This thread was full of constitutional lawyers a few months back, where are they when we need them, has the fine been extended or not????

naufragos123 · 02-06-2021 5:00pm

dublin_paul wrote: »

Why did they only renew it until 7th July instead of the 19th July? It suggests to me that they won't extend again just for 12 days

They most certainly will if it's the case that it has been extended. They extended for about a week up to May 10th when everybody was certain it would be allowed to expire in line with the lifting of inter county travel. But along comes Donnelly at the last minute on May 10th to extend to June 2nd.

So literally anything is possible from these people.

02-06-2021 5:03pm

Valhallapt wrote: »

This thread was full of constitutional lawyers a few months back, where are they when we need them, has the fine been extended or not????

No, not in the Amendment act that has been posted.

dublin_paul · 02-06-2021 5:06pm

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

No, not in the Amendment act that has been posted.

Yes it has been extended.

"Regulation 1 of the Principal Regulations is amended, in paragraph (2),
by the substitution of “5th day of July 2021” for “2nd day of June 2021”."

Tazz T · 02-06-2021 5:20pm

dublin_paul wrote: »

yep he's extended the travel fine

Better cancel that early morning flight to Barcalona so :pac:

Anything to be said for another complaint to the EC, since not only is the fine disproportionate under the EC's previous ruling (since the 20km limit is gone) but will also be in place after the commencement of the digital Covid cert directive on 1st July.

Did anyone hear back from the EC?

TheFinanceGod · 02-06-2021 5:23pm

Those scumbags have started sealing off parts of Dublin City in preparation for this weekends "Outdoor Summer".

The bandstand is already gone;https://twitter.com/Caolanmcaree/status/1400085217096962051?s=20

What a horrible country to live in. Just ****ing grim.

normanoffside · 02-06-2021 5:41pm

Klonker wrote: »

Sure you do.

He does, I have met him at the airport many times. He's normally very nice but if you tell him you are going on Holidays you get a fine.

normanoffside · 02-06-2021 5:45pm

It seems the fine has been extended until Juy 5th

https://twitter.com/rebelfocus/status/1400103233167757312

I'll be flying out from Belfast.

dublin_paul · 02-06-2021 5:47pm

Tazz T wrote: »

Did anyone hear back from the EC?

Submission made: 2021-05-10 1:26 PM

no reply

dublin_paul · 02-06-2021 5:48pm

normanoffside wrote: »

I'll be flying out from Belfast.

Watch out for your destination country banning the UK due to the Indian variant. That's the case for me right now

naufragos123 · 02-06-2021 5:49pm

Tazz T wrote: »

Better cancel that early morning flight to Barcalona so :pac:

Anything to be said for another complaint to the EC, since not only is the fine disproportionate under the EC's previous ruling (since the 20km limit is gone) but will also be in place after the commencement of the digital Covid cert directive on 1st July.

Did anyone hear back from the EC?

I have to admit to being very disappointed with the EU. They were all over us after the financial crash, came down really hard on us. Many at the time saw them as dictators taking over our sovereignty. But I guess that was all about money.:rolleyes:

Now that it has nothing to do with money they don't appear to give a damn. Enough people complained, there were a few high profile people like the French ambassador calling Ireland out. And despite Justice Commissioner Didier Reynders claiming credit for getting EU countries off the MHQ list, I think they would have come off in time and were on far too long anyway. Fair enough the EU pretty much got the travel cert off the ground, but in Ireland's case did SFA really. And that's disappointing, especially given that this fine is a blatant violation of freedom of movement and massively discriminates against all EU nationals unfortunate enough to reside in Ireland.

normanoffside · 02-06-2021 5:53pm

dublin_paul wrote: »

Watch out for your destination country banning the UK due to the Indian variant. That's the case for me right now

I was at the airport again yesterday.
Gardai on approach to the airport just waving people through (tell them your collecting someone- they prompted me to give them a reason they would accept).
Inside, Niner and his mates were at T1 security but T2 and on express security there was no -one checking.

Honestly I know this fine is scaring people but in reality there is nothing stopping anyone going. At this stage the fine is clearly a breach of Rights anyway and if escalated to the EJC this would be thrown out and abolished.

naufragos123 · 02-06-2021 5:59pm

I'm really worried now that my flight form Cork will get cancelled. It's all very well saying go from Belfast but we live at the opposite end of the country and my partner suffers chronic pain and couldn't take such a long journey. We have treatment booked for him in Spain which should dodge us the fine.

The flight is less than two weeks away and Cork flights are showing scheduled. Has anyone had experience of last minute Ryanair cancellations recently?

freida · 02-06-2021 6:40pm

Tazz T wrote: »

Better cancel that early morning flight to Barcalona so :pac:

Anything to be said for another complaint to the EC, since not only is the fine disproportionate under the EC's previous ruling (since the 20km limit is gone) but will also be in place after the commencement of the digital Covid cert directive on 1st July.

Did anyone hear back from the EC?

Tweet them here. Lots of irish people complaining about the fine

https://mobile.twitter.com/EU_Commission/status/1399670116640493571?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

normanoffside · 02-06-2021 6:42pm

Tazz T wrote: »

Better cancel that early morning flight to Barcalona so :pac:

Anything to be said for another complaint to the EC, since not only is the fine disproportionate under the EC's previous ruling (since the 20km limit is gone) but will also be in place after the commencement of the digital Covid cert directive on 1st July.

Did anyone hear back from the EC?

I emailed them when it was extended last time and have heard nothing back

siochain · 02-06-2021 7:06pm

Folks this has the potential to be a really useful thread but having to wade through the moaning and back-biting is painful. Any chance we can keep it to questions, facts and official updates?

Feria40 · 02-06-2021 7:15pm

siochain wrote: »

Folks this has the potential to be a really useful thread but having to wade through the moaning and back-biting is painful. Any chance we can keep it to questions, facts and official updates?

I agree with all of the above.

I would also add in though that an element of dreamers should be allowed

I think about 95% of the people on this forum want to travel asap.

There is a specific separate forum for those that wish to restrict travel.

Marcusm · 02-06-2021 7:39pm

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

No, not in the Amendment act that has been posted.

Valhallapt wrote: »

This thread was full of constitutional lawyers a few months back, where are they when we need them, has the fine been extended or not????

The amendment is to the operative date reg 1 of SI 217 and so generally applies to the port/airport and other restrictions contained herein. I have given up waiting and I am posting this from a Ryanair flight to Faro from Belfast. Going out for the minimum time possible (until Sunday), am fully vaccinated and will not be socialising while I am there. (I am going to be posing off some many Poetugueisers do to lack of building progress that I’ll probably have a hit out on me). I will isolate on return as required.

Dr. Em · 02-06-2021 7:42pm

The EU has given Norway a slap on the wrist for their travel restrictions. They had/have much more stringent entry restrictions than Ireland though.

https://www.thelocal.no/20210527/european-authority-deems-norwegian-covid-19-entry-restrictions-too-severe/

Valhallapt · 02-06-2021 7:55pm

Marcusm wrote: »

The amendment is to the operative date reg 1 of SI 217 and so generally applies to the port/airport and other restrictions contained herein. I have given up waiting and I am posting this from a Ryanair flight to Faro from Belfast. Going out for the minimum time possible (until Sunday), am fully vaccinated and will not be socialising while I am there. (I am going to be posing off some many Poetugueisers do to lack of building progress that I’ll probably have a hit out on me). I will isolate on return as required.

How did you get on in Belfast, I am booked to go 28th June to Faro via Dublin, but really thinking of switching to Belfast now.

jn123 · 02-06-2021 8:17pm

Meant to fly to the US 7th July, anyone any idea if the US will open to Ireland by then?

Dr. Em · 02-06-2021 8:23pm

jn123 wrote: »

Meant to fly to the US 7th July, anyone any idea if the US will open to Ireland by then?

It seems unlikely, according to the latest report I can find: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-weighs-changes-covid-19-travel-restrictions-2021-05-20/

Dr. Em · 02-06-2021 8:25pm

Has anyone else posted the new government press release on travel? https://www.gov.ie/en/campaigns/75d92-covid-19-travel-advice/
(Link at top of page.)

Apologies if it has already been discussed.

Blut2 · 02-06-2021 8:28pm

jn123 wrote: »

Meant to fly to the US 7th July, anyone any idea if the US will open to Ireland by then?

Rumours as of this week are its about to open to the UK. The travel ban on Irish people entering lumps us in with the UK rather than the EU (because we're not in Schengen, but do have the Common Travel Area with the UK). So we should also be included hopefully:

There are reports that a bilateral agreement has been worked out between the U.S. and the U.K. to reopen travel between the two countries.

If confirmed, this news would allow British people entry to the U.S. with just a negative Covid-19 test result, taken no more than 72 hours before travel. For entry into the U.K. travelers would need the same and also to take a test within two days of arriving into the country–the same as other current green list countries.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexledsom/2021/06/01/usuk-travel-reports-of-travel-bubbles-opening-soon/?sh=1d0c9762edc1

The key dates to watch seem to be the UK's next review of their green list on June 7th, and/or the G7 summit where Biden is in the UK himself - Jun 11th-13th.

Frank Bullitt · 02-06-2021 8:32pm

A few friends over here in Canada are booking flights home for end of summer and Christmas. Seems so long ago that I was even able to consider doing this.

The light gets brighter, I just have to wait a bit longer to know for sure.

Panthro · 02-06-2021 8:48pm

Will people from the UK ever get back into the motherland without having to snake it across the border?
I want to go home end of July but I'll only be jabbed one.

ninebeanrows · 02-06-2021 9:03pm

Do we know if 1 dose of vaccine is acceptable for the cert?

Helpsos · 02-06-2021 9:11pm

ninebeanrows wrote: »

Do we know if 1 dose of vaccine is acceptable for the cert?

I understood it would be full vaccination - 14 days before travel

Ray Donovan · 02-06-2021 9:11pm

ninebeanrows wrote: »

Do we know if 1 dose of vaccine is acceptable for the cert?

In 2 scenarios yes:

1) you are getting the one shot vaccine.

2) you have had a COVID infection in the previous 180 days.

Hontou · 02-06-2021 9:32pm

I have flights booked for the night of the 5th of July. I wonder would they fine us in the last hours? These are Ryanair flights that I changed 3 times since March 2020. I think I just lose the money if I try to change them again. I don't even want a refund. I want to live in a country that has viable airlines and support them.....unlike the government. And I want t be part of the EU............not some outstation dictatorship. (Sorry, Siochain for the moaning).

Padraig Mor · 02-06-2021 9:35pm

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

That appears to relate to other covid restrictions such as gatherings and events and not travel

For my sins I went through the new SI and the previous SI 217/2021. On my phone so not ideal but my reading is that the main text in the travel section means the ban on non essential travel is extended until July. Regulation 4 refers to violations being a penal offence under Section 31A of the 1947 Act - I would imagine this is referring to the associated €2000 fine but it's virtually impossible to tell on the phone when there's been so many amendments.

naufragos123 · 02-06-2021 10:17pm

Hontou wrote: »

I have flights booked for the night of the 5th of July. I wonder would they fine us in the last hours? These are Ryanair flights that I changed 3 times since March 2020. I think I just lose the money if I try to change them again. I don't even want a refund. I want to live in a country that has viable airlines and support them.....unlike the government. And I want t be part of the EU............not some outstation dictatorship. (Sorry, Siochain for the moaning).

I think Siochain will have to put up with the moaning. Irish people don't moan enough imo. We're too prone to taking everything on the chin yet no denying that this country is becoming a miserable place. I'm not so young and suspect that some of those posters who moan the most are indeed the young, completely frustrated by the never ending misery. And who could blame them!

Moan away guys, it's probably all any of us can do.

sy_flembeck · 02-06-2021 10:30pm

siochain wrote: »

Folks this has the potential to be a really useful thread but having to wade through the moaning and back-biting is painful. Any chance we can keep it to questions, facts and official updates?

But then where would I go for entertainment?

siochain · 02-06-2021 11:31pm

Dreaming has to be done sure it’s what’s got many people through the last 12+ months. And I stand corrected moaning because of lack of travel opportunities i full understand. If we can keep the arguments out it would be great, we have all had enough stress and all need a break of our choosing.

rm212 · 02-06-2021 11:34pm

Dr. Em wrote: »

Has anyone else posted the new government press release on travel? https://www.gov.ie/en/campaigns/75d92-covid-19-travel-advice/
(Link at top of page.)

Apologies if it has already been discussed.

Ah the b*stards, refusing to allow antigen tests

Marcusm · 03-06-2021 12:37am

Valhallapt wrote: »

How did you get on in Belfast, I am booked to go 28th June to Faro via Dublin, but really thinking of switching to Belfast now.

Tiny airport; flight at 7:55 is last of the day meaning arrival is post 11pm. Not ideal as have her a ****ty day followed by an actual gob****e at car rental desk. I watched him piss of 3 other people before he pissed me off as well.

I’m only here for a few days so drive to Belfast is no more inconvenient than flying to Lisbon and driving down. Car park is reasonable but not sure I’d park there for weeks.

Belfast airport was efficient, Like London City in the old days before it got crowded. Lots of non-NI Irish, teenagers, first year college students heading off on a jolly. The one beside me also only has 4 days as he has to be back to play for UCD in the “Irish league”. In the old days you’d have been shot for saying that rather than “League of Ireland”, like saying Irish FA instead of FAI.

josip · 03-06-2021 12:46am

Marcusm wrote: »

... The one beside me also only has 4 days as he has to be back to play for UCD in the “Irish league”. In the old days you’d have been shot for saying that rather than “League of Ireland”, like saying Irish FA instead of FAI.

Maybe he was a hockey player?

yoshimitsu · 03-06-2021 10:08am

ninebeanrows wrote: »

Do we know if 1 dose of vaccine is acceptable for the cert?

For some countries in the EU it is. E.g. Italy accepts the 'vaccinated' status of the Digital Covid Certificate 2 weeks after the 1st dose has been administered.

So I imagine the DCC will be issued to anybody who requests it regardless of vaccination/immunization/testing status. If you only have had 1 jab that'll be recorded and that may be enough to get you into some countries without furthers tests/quarantine etc. When coming back to Ireland you'll have to get a PCR test locally (also to be recorded on your DCC) as Ireland only considers you fully vaxxed after the 2nd dose.

It would be nice to get more homogeneous treatment across the EU but ultimately I think this is a reasonable arrangement to open up travel this summer.
Hopefully we wont hit any IT snags and everybody who needs a DCC will be given one before July 19th.

03-06-2021 10:12am

yoshimitsu wrote: »

For some countries in the EU it is. E.g. Italy accepts the 'vaccinated' status of the Digital Covid Certificate 2 weeks after the 1st dose has been administered.

So I imagine the DCC will be issued to anybody who requests it regardless of vaccination/immunization/testing status. If you only have had 1 jab that'll be recorded and that may be enough to get you into some countries without furthers tests/quarantine etc. When coming back to Ireland you'll have to get a PCR test locally (also to be recorded on your DCC) as Ireland only considers you fully vaxxed after the 2nd dose.

It would be nice to get more homogeneous treatment across the EU but ultimately I think this is a reasonable arrangement to open up travel this summer.
Hopefully we wont hit any IT snags and everybody who needs a DCC will be given one before July 19th.

Isn't the document issued to residents of your own country
Ireland won't be giving fully vaccinated status for one shot unless you have had the jaansen

josip · 03-06-2021 10:15am

yoshimitsu wrote: »

For some countries in the EU it is. E.g. Italy accepts the 'vaccinated' status of the Digital Covid Certificate 2 weeks after the 1st dose has been administered.

So I imagine the DCC will be issued to anybody who requests it regardless of vaccination/immunization/testing status. If you only have had 1 jab that'll be recorded and that may be enough to get you into some countries without furthers tests/quarantine etc. When coming back to Ireland you'll have to get a PCR test locally (also to be recorded on your DCC) as Ireland only considers you fully vaxxed after the 2nd dose.

It would be nice to get more homogeneous treatment across the EU but ultimately I think this is a reasonable arrangement to open up travel this summer.
Hopefully we wont hit any IT snags and everybody who needs a DCC will be given one before July 19th.

Germany is 2 weeks after the 2nd dose, but do accept proof of vaccination in paper form, so if fully vaccinated before the 19th, the (hand filled) HSE card might be sufficient.

Proof of vaccination against COVID-19 in German, English, French, Italian or Spanish in digital or paper form (e.g. WHO vaccination booklet). The vaccine used must be one of those listed on the website of the Paul-Ehrlich-Institut. A period of at least 14 days must have elapsed since receiving the last vaccine dose.

https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/en/einreiseundaufenthalt/EinreiseUndAufenthalt#9

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