Proper Pronunciation or lah-dee-dah

The correct form is Yizzers.

Yeah heigth is very annoying alright

lawred2 wrote: »

Yeah heigth is very annoying alright

Nearly as bad as throath!

cdgalwegian wrote: »

Yeah, that's understood- it just leads to confusion when the English language no longer has a formal plural for You to distinguish it from the singular. Ye seems most acceptable as proper, though instead, contrariwise, comes across as perhaps a little low-brow, rather than high-brow/ lah-dee-dah.

Havin said dat. I'm too tick ta tink dat it's turty-tree and a turd, and dat's da troot.

You should do the Lottho and be an authomathick winner.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

Sounds like you're embarrassed by Irish accents. What a strange complex to have.

I have an Irish accent, but it doesn't prevent me from being able to say throat instead if troath.

We're talking about pronunciation here, not talking accents. Maybe you didn't read the title or post #1.

FuzzyThinking wrote: »

French announcements will call Aer Lingus - “Air Lang-Goose” and Dublin “doo blan” (which to be fair is closer to the native northside pronunciation anyway.)

Well we don't say "Er Fronz" and "Paree" over here, do we?

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I can hear an R sound in the French pronunciation.

They can pronounce it, they just can't spell it! :pac: (check out the last bit)

fvp4 wrote: »

The two are strongly linked. An accent is a form of pronunciation.

Many Irish people say pacific meaning specific, should I take it that it's all down to accent, or might it be pronunciation issue?

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Many Irish people say pacific meaning specific, should I take it that it's all down to accent, or might it be pronunciation issue?

It is much complained of, but I have never heard it myself. Not an Irish thing anyway. I will add another one to the explanation in this link. Bird is a version of the original word Brid.

https://stranger-collective.com/pavement-pedantry-specific-not-pacific/

Hamsterchops wrote: »

The plural of you is you.

I'm always amused by some who claim not to be able of willing to pronounce their th sound "because we're Irish" and dats d'way we speak!

They then prove this by saying boat (instead of both), true (instead of through), taught (instead of thought), but then they might say heigth instead of height, which means they can pronounce the th sound, but in the wrong word

Are you equally appalled when English people don't pronounce the 'wh' sound? Whales = Wales? I know that it may be a quite acceptable way to pronounce it now, but it wasn't always the case.

And I don't know what you mean with your 'heigth' instead of 'height' thing. I've never witnessed that.

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Surely by creating a perfectly formed th sound where it doesn't belong, means that at least they can pronounce it, even if it's in the wrong place.

Like the way in some areas, the English don't pronounce Rs but stick them in words where there never was an R?

Because there is no 'th' sound in Irish didn't help. Even if the majority don't speak Irish anymore, there are a lot of elements from the language that have been handed down.

When Rachael Blackmore won the Grand National this year, while still on the horse she said something like "I can't believe I'm after winning!". She was misquoted in parts of the English media because they didn't understand her phraseology. I know that's not to do with pronunciation but it shows the influence that Irish had on the way we speak here.

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

Are you equally appalled when English people don't pronounce the 'wh' sound? Whales = Wales? I know that it may be a quite acceptable way to pronounce it now, but it wasn't always the case.

And I don't know what you mean with your 'heigth' instead of 'height' thing. I've never witnessed that.

Like the way in some areas, the English don't pronounce Rs but stick them in words where there never was an R?

Because there is no 'th' sound in Irish didn't help. Even if the majority don't speak Irish anymore, there are a lot of elements from the language that have been handed down.

I agree with most of what you say and I'm only mentioning mispronunciations locally as this is where I live, but yes indeed some of the mispronunciations by English people are appaling & bewildering, 'sixth' for example does not sound as it should (sict?) plus the R thing as you mentioned is very prevalent in parts of England.

The point I was making was that sometimes people who claim not to be able to pronounce the 'th' sound (for example) actually can, but they sometimes put in in the wrong words like heigth, which I would say counts mispronunciation, although I'm now told that it's accent!

I don't expect Spanish or French people to be able to pronounce all English words perfectly as most of themmay not have studied english as a language in school
I think the irish have a higher standard to reach because we have grown up watching TV from the UK and American TV eg most programs are in English so we should be able to pronounce English words properly
It may go back to school we are given books to read
Essays to write , there's no exams regarding talking or pronunciation in English
Having an accent does not mean you don't know how to
pronounce a word
I presume French people watch most tv with French language soundtracks

riclad wrote: »

I don't expect Spanish or French people to be able to pronounce all English words perfectly as most of themmay not have studied english as a language in school
I think the irish have a higher standard to reach because we have grown up watching TV from the UK and American TV eg most programs are in English so we should be able to pronounce English words properly
It may go back to school we are given books to read
Essays to write , there's no exams regarding talking or pronunciation in English
Having an accent does not mean you don't know how to
pronounce a word
I presume French people watch most tv with French language soundtracks

Do you ever use Wanna, Gonna? Might you say Budder instead of Butter in normal speech? Could you ever have lapsed into I'm thinkin' a goin' instead of I'm thinking of going? If not you have achieved a level of perfection missing from those Oxbridge types who inhabit the BBC.

Jakey Rolling wrote: »

Ireland is the only English speaking country where I have heard "heigth" used, and it grates on my ears every time.

Its a bit of an oddity alright - it would make sense for it to have the same ending as length, width, depth but for whatever reason the standard usage has been "height" for a couple of centuries. It is listed in some dictionaries as "dialectal variant".

Similar misplaced "th" that jump out at me are
"thread" and "threadmill" instead of "tread" (even heard in the RSA ad warning against bald tyres)
Thighland (the country normally known as Tie-land)
"Th"omas instead of Tom-ass (in this case, the Irish version would be closer to standard English)
and worst of all, "thought" instead of "taught" is inexcusable!

You say all that, but as I've been told earlier in the thread it's all down to ones accent.

Talking of tread & thread, there was a safety awareness campaign running on the radio last year warning drivers to check the thread depth on their tyres, I kid you not.