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  • #4902
    tudderone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »

    Throw that into those jungles that Americans call "high schools" and now universities with their intolerances and cancel cultures both in their social aspects and teaching[or lack off], bullying that used to end at the school gates,but now follows you home on your social media and I wouldn't be surprised some people decide to start shooting ...

    Yup, had this with my little niece. One of mummy's little darlings at school decided that my niece was from a lower socio-economic strata and therefore was only there for the amusement of her and her clique. Of course it was going on with tik-tok, facebook etc all day and night.

    Me climbing over their electric gates, banging on their door and asking her father if he wanted to make something of it solved things in 2 nano-seconds :rolleyes:. Hey if you want to treat me like a savage, i'll behave like one :D.


  • #4903
    tudderone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone


    Cass wrote: »
    I don't doubt it.

    I've no data to back this up and perhaps with the lack of social media it did occur but wasn't as widely reported, however when i was younger it seemed if you had a problem there was a fist fight and that was the end of it. Nobody went for guns, knives, or other weapons.

    I'm not so naïve to think that everything was Rose coloured glasses and perhaps i was sheltered from the extent of the violence even back then and could be talking through my backside.

    One thing i would stand over is that things have escalated. Youngsters carrying these weapons and fully prepared to use them. The rise in "mass" events. IOW its not good enough that someone wants to hurt a particular person but they set out to hurt or kill anyone around them (whether known to them or not).

    I don't know, i really don't.


    I have to agree, i remember having scuffles with other lads at school. There would be an issue threats made from both sides, a two-dig scuffle in the park on the way home and that was the end of it. A normal part of growing up i reckon.

    The father used to say that when he was growing up in the 40's and 50's, if there was a murder, it would be on the front page of every newspaper in the country, often for over a week. Now its a crime so common, it doesn't get much notice at all.

    Thats all down to drugs, the people who take them stealing to feed a habit, and the low-life that sell them killing anyone who, in the slightest threatens them and their massive profits.


  • #4904
    Cass
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,625 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    Rates of teenage metal health issues are on the rise and still rising over the last decade. Depression up by 52%, anxiety over 25%, general mental health issues overall up by 15%.

    There is no break from the world. I know its not as simple as blaming one thing or pointing to one issue and saying "if we solve that it'll all be better", nor am I advocating for a return to the "chin up" attitude of 30+ years ago. Those bottled up issues are as bad and why some adults, middle aged and over, also behave/act as they do.
    • Social media
    • Over medicating
    • Fanaticism (of any kind)
    • Indoctrination of ideology (via schools, social media, etc)
    • The sense of entitlement
    • The media (for pushing any agenda which has real world effects)
    • Politicians for pandering to "crazes"
    • Arrogance (kids thinking they know it all at 18-25 and refusing to engage in discussion)
    • One parent homes
    • Social welfare system
    • Lack of identity (both personal and nationally)

    These, for me, are just some of the causes of what is going on today. I'm not looking for everyone to "toe the line" especially my line of thinking/beliefs, but it has gone from believe what you will to believe what we tell you to or you're wrong, a fascist, racist, etc. IOW extremes both ideological and morally.

    We've have the "you can't say that" decades ago, then it was the P.C. brigade, then millennials, then the woke, now Gen Z (i think), and of course cancel culture. IOW if you don't like it or believe as someone else does end them.

    I can only hope it goes as it came like the other fads did.
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  • #4905
    tudderone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone


    Cass wrote: »
    Rates of teenage metal health issues are on the rise and still rising over the last decade. Depression up by 52%, anxiety over 25%, general mental health issues overall up by 15%.

    There is no break from the world. I know its not as simple as blaming one thing or pointing to one issue and saying "if we solve that it'll all be better", nor am I advocating for a return to the "chin up" attitude of 30+ years ago. Those bottled up issues are as bad and why some adults, middle aged and over, also behave/act as they do.
    • Social media
    • Over medicating
    • Fanaticism (of any kind)
    • Indoctrination of ideology (via schools, social media, etc)
    • The sense of entitlement
    • The media (for pushing any agenda which has real world effects)
    • Politicians for pandering to "crazes"
    • Arrogance (kids thinking they know it all at 18-25 and refusing to engage in discussion)
    • One parent homes
    • Social welfare system
    • Lack of identity (both personal and nationally)

    These, for me, are just some of the causes of what is going on today. I'm not looking for everyone to "toe the line" especially my line of thinking/beliefs, but it has gone from believe what you will to believe what we tell you to or you're wrong, a fascist, racist, etc. IOW extremes both ideological and morally.

    We've have the "you can't say that" decades ago, then it was the P.C. brigade, then millennials, then the woke, now Gen Z (i think), and of course cancel culture. IOW if you don't like it or believe as someone else does end them.

    I can only hope it goes as it came like the other fads did.

    A lot of these kids don't even know what they are talking about or against. An effort made to talk to them and what they object to gets you either abuse or bovine stares :confused:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in1og1-uOEA


  • #4906
    civdef
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,057 ✭✭✭civdef


    I think the way mass killers become "celebrities" after the fact plays a part - most people can probably name one or more of them long after the fact from the way these incidents are reported. I think the NZ approach to their tragedy in 2019 was a good one, where a decision was made to avoid using the killer's name as much as possible and deny him the fame he was looking for.


  • #4907
    otmmyboy2
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 1,586 Mod ✭✭✭✭otmmyboy2


    civdef wrote: »
    I think the way mass killers become "celebrities" after the fact plays a part - most people can probably name one or more of them long after the fact from the way these incidents are reported. I think the NZ approach to their tragedy in 2019 was a good one, where a decision was made to avoid using the killer's name as much as possible and deny him the fame he was looking for.

    I think it was a bit despicable honestly.
    His manifesto stated that one of his goals was to ensure gun banning happened as a result and that argument would spread to the US and start a racially motivated war as a result.
    The NZ PM gave him exactly what he wanted in that regard and the NZ shooting community suffered a massive blow and continue to do so as a direct result of one headache.

    Its one thing not wanting to celebritize a murderer, it's quite another to willfully follow through with one of his manifesto's aims.

    Never forget, the end goal is zero firearms of any type.

    S.I. No. 187/1972 - Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order - Firearms seized

    S.I. No. 21/2008 - Firearms (Restricted Firearms and Ammunition) Order 2008 - Firearm types restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 - Firearms banned & grandfathered

    S.I. No. 420/2019 - Magazine ban, ammo storage & transport restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2023 - 2023 Firearm Ban (retroactive to 8 years prior)



  • #4908
    Cass
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,625 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    otmmyboy2 wrote: »
    His manifesto stated that one of his goals was to ensure gun banning happened as a result ...............

    The NZ PM gave him exactly what he wanted in that regard .....................

    .................... it's quite another to willfully follow through with one of his manifesto's aims.
    That was already in the works and the massacre was the catalyst to enact it as well as give leeway to enact even tougher laws that may have previously faced opposition/resistance.
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  • #4909
    otmmyboy2
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 1,586 Mod ✭✭✭✭otmmyboy2


    Cass wrote: »
    That was already in the works and the massacre was the catalyst to enact it as well as give leeway to enact even tougher laws that may have previously faced opposition/resistance.

    Oh I know, the end goal is slingshots being licenced as restricted firearms and everything else prohib :P

    Still really rubbed me the wrong way, the inevitable knee jerk reaction approach that happens here too.

    Realistically most countries which are liberal leaning(most western countries these days) are one serious shooting incident away from more gun control.

    Never forget, the end goal is zero firearms of any type.

    S.I. No. 187/1972 - Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order - Firearms seized

    S.I. No. 21/2008 - Firearms (Restricted Firearms and Ammunition) Order 2008 - Firearm types restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 - Firearms banned & grandfathered

    S.I. No. 420/2019 - Magazine ban, ammo storage & transport restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2023 - 2023 Firearm Ban (retroactive to 8 years prior)



  • #4910
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,602 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    otmmyboy2 wrote: »
    I think it was a bit despicable honestly.
    His manifesto stated that one of his goals was to ensure gun banning happened as a result and that argument would spread to the US and start a racially motivated war as a result.

    But that's entirely separate to the decision to no use his name which civdef refereed to.

    I didn't read his manifesto, but I was under the impression that it was a racist, white supremacist type thing. Never heard about the gun control part


  • #4911
    Grizzly 45
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,072 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Mellor wrote: »
    But that's entirely separate to the decision to no use his name which civdef refereed to.

    I didn't read his manifesto, but I was under the impression that it was a racist, white supremacist type thing. Never heard about the gun control part

    He described himself as an eco anarchist[Whatever the Hell that is]
    Copy included for your perusal.

    NOTE.Im not advocating or promoting these idiots views."You of course being all loftier creations of the great Pumpkin are safe to entrust adult material to to form your own opinions on this matter.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



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  • #4912
    civdef
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    The dumb fúcker couldn't even left justify the text properly....


    I hadn't seen that document before, I don't know the guy's name - just that he was a coward who went and killed a bunch of unarmed innocent people at their place of worship. I think NZ did a pretty good job reducing his fame.


  • #4913
    Grizzly 45
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,072 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    <MOD SNIP>

    Its like a false flag operation.A anarcho leftie Aussie pretending to be extreme right wing in attacking a mosque that preaches jihad,but with a plan to start a race war and get gun confiscation going in NZ... While blathering on about the environment and every other conspiracy theory...One seriously fuked up dude!:mad:

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • #4914
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,602 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    He described himself as an eco anarchist[Whatever the Hell that is]
    Thanks for posting for information sake. I hadn't seen it before, will read ir properly at some point, just had a quick glance for now.

    I think you misread the above. The term he used was eco-fascist.

    < MOD SNIP>

    Its like a false flag operation.A anarcho leftie Aussie pretending to be extreme right wing in attacking a mosque that preaches jihad,but with a plan to start a race war and get gun confiscation going in NZ... While blathering on about the environment and every other conspiracy theory...One seriously fuked up dude!:mad:
    I agree the ideologies are all over the place. But there's a bit of an irony in the above calling it a false flag and labelling him an anarchist leftie, when you actually mixed up anarchy and fascism.

    I think the idea he want to ban guns is a false flag in itself. As he quite clearly, as otmmyboy2 stated, want to use 2nd amendment tensions to start a race war. The gun issue was a means to an end.

    As I said, I haven't read it, and I'm sure its full of contradictions. But the cover has a pretty clear white national message. Conveniently decorating a Nazi black symbol.
    A messed up guy indeed.


  • #4915
    Grizzly 45
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    Munsterlad102 wrote: »
    ng the mosque's role in radicalizing those terrorists who went to fight for ISIS. Let's not forget that we're not untouched by Islamic terrorism here too, I live very close to Jihadi Jane and her cronies, so that really put's into perspective the threat of Islam.

    Or that a few of the London bridge killers were fed ,watered and financed from an apartment in Limerick...Or that one of our own ,Kahlid Kelly "went all over Syria" with his kamikaze car bomb.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • #4916
    tudderone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    Or that a few of the London bridge killers were fed ,watered and financed from an apartment in Limerick...Or that one of our own ,Kahlid Kelly "went all over Syria" with his kamikaze car bomb.

    I seen that video, the funniest thing i'd seen since the Benny Hill show :D


  • #4917
    Munsterlad102
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 553 ✭✭✭Munsterlad102


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    Or that a few of the London bridge killers were fed ,watered and financed from an apartment in Limerick...Or that one of our own ,Kahlid Kelly "went all over Syria" with his kamikaze car bomb.

    Yeah, scary to think they're using Ireland as a base of operations and look how that worked out for Belgium. It's only a matter of time before they target us. I was trying to remember what his name was, I saw a documentary on him a few years ago. Didn't he blow himself up for a propaganda video?


  • #4918
    Grizzly 45
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,072 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Mellor wrote: »
    Thanks for posting for information sake. I hadn't seen it before, will read ir properly at some point, just had a quick glance for now.

    I think you misread the above. The term he used was eco-fascist.

    IOW just as much a dipsht belief as an anarchist. Read the manifesto.he was/claimed to be influenced by multiple different political beliefs. Fascism, Communism, Liberteriarn[which also has a branch in Anarchasim].So saying he was Fash,or anarchist is acceptable.

    < MOD SNIP >
    I agree the ideologies are all over the place. But there's a bit of an irony in the above calling it a false flag and labelling him an anarchist leftie, when you actually mixed up anarchy and fascism.

    And here we were doing so well...And you had to try point-scoring and nitpicking...
    I think the idea he want to ban guns is a false flag in itself. As he quite clearly, as otmmyboy2 stated, want to use 2nd amendment tensions to start a race war. The gun issue was a means to an end.


    Here's the relevant bits in Chronological order
    Article wrote:
    I chose firearms for the affect it would have on social discourse, the extra media coverage they would provide and the affect it could have on the politics of United states and thereby the political situation of the world. The US is torn into many factions by its second amendment, along state, social, cultural and, most importantly, racial lines.

    With enough pressure the left wing within the United states will seek to abolish the second amendment, and the right wing within the US will see this as an attack on their very freedom and liberty. This attempted abolishment of rights by the left will result in a dramatic polarization of the people in the United States and eventually a fracturing of the US along cultural and racial lines.

    Interviewer: So why not launch the attack in the US, not NZ? Won’t your attack result in calls for the removal of gun rights from Whites in the United states?
    Tarrant: Yes, that is the plan all along, you said you would fight to protect your rights and the constitution, well soon will come the time.

    So black people, hispanics, orientals, and others work under a different US constitution to white people?...interesting!:rolleyes:

    Interviewer: Won’t your attack result in calls for the removal of gun rights in the New Zealand?
    Tarrant : The gun owners of New Zealand are a beaten, miserable bunch of baby boomers, who have long since given up the fight.When was the last time they won increased rights? Their loss was inevitable.I just accelerated things a bit. They had long since lost their cities, take a look at Auckland. Did you really expect they would not also lose their rights

    So only White people would lose their guns n the US going by this crackpot??:rolleyes::? How that shooting was going to influence a totally different culture 8,000miles away ,is still head-scratching.:confused:

    Mellor wrote:
    As I said, I haven't read it, and I'm sure its full of contradictions. But the cover has a pretty clear white national message. Conveniently decorating a Nazi black symbol.
    A messed up guy indeed
    .

    Indeed, you need to read it to see how, if you can, as to how he reached his political stances.[Plural]

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • #4919
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,602 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    IOW just as much a dipsht belief as an anarchist...
    To be honest Griz, it’s quite hard to read this post. You seem to be struggling with your formatting of the quote tags.

    Fascism may be just as dipsht anarchism. But they are on opposite ends of the left-right spectrum.
    It’s a rather convenient time to mix up your left and right wing.
    To be blunt, it doesn’t look like a genuine mistake.

    To be clear, I don’t think your publicly supporting those actions or the NZ gunman. And I agree that some people have been radicalised through Islam - whether in person, online etc. But I don’t think that justifys making up any old sht that might stick. That’s literally how extremists groups/websites behave.

    I don’t think I that pointing out these errors are nitpicking. The guy said said he was a communist, then an anarchist, then a libertarian, and now a fascism. You chose to cherry pick bits that suited your agenda. I think that’s a bit telling.

    As the banning guns in NZ. He seams fully aware that was an outcome. But it also reads like he wants to split the states on the 2ndA. Start a race war. More deaths basically. Forcing the gun control issue is a means to achieve those deaths. Not the end goal.
    As Cass said, the control ball was already rolling in NZ. Much like Oz after the Port Arthur attack.


  • #4920
    Cass
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,625 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    Where to begin?

    I've deleted any posts that were making false claims as per rule 3 of this thread. I've also deleted any post that replied only to said false information. Any post that replied to the false information and other points were edited rather than deleted to remove the false information, only.

    I've also deleted the name calling and insult trading. This goes against the site/forum rule #1, be civil to one another. No infractions were issued to any party, for the moment, in the hope this warning serves as notice of intent for the future.

    From this moment on any posts claiming false information as fact, and any post using name calling/insults or any other form of personal attacks/abuse will be deleted in their entirety and the user infracted. There will be no further warnings on this.
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  • #4921
    Cass
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    For the love of God.

    C'mon China, get your act together.
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  • #4922
    tudderone
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    Cass wrote: »
    For the love of God.

    C'mon China, get your act together.

    They are messing around with things like covid and bird flu, because they want to use them as biological weapons. That is where covid came from, a lab, not the spiel that some guy got nipped by a bat in a cave and thats how it started. Ruthless the Chinese.


  • #4923
    otmmyboy2
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 1,586 Mod ✭✭✭✭otmmyboy2


    tudderone wrote: »
    They are messing around with things like covid and bird flu, because they want to use them as biological weapons. That is where covid came from, a lab, not the spiel that some guy got nipped by a bat in a cave and thats how it started. Ruthless the Chinese.

    Indeed, you know things are happening when the democrat bastion WaPo is jumping aboard with the lab leak theory:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/05/30/beware-expert-consensus-covid-19-lab-leak-theory-shows-why/?

    Never forget, the end goal is zero firearms of any type.

    S.I. No. 187/1972 - Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order - Firearms seized

    S.I. No. 21/2008 - Firearms (Restricted Firearms and Ammunition) Order 2008 - Firearm types restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 - Firearms banned & grandfathered

    S.I. No. 420/2019 - Magazine ban, ammo storage & transport restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2023 - 2023 Firearm Ban (retroactive to 8 years prior)



  • #4924
    Grizzly 45
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,072 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Cass wrote: »
    For the love of God.

    C'mon China, get your act together.

    Covid 21 here we come!:rolleyes:

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • #4925
    Grizzly 45
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,072 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    otmmyboy2 wrote: »
    Indeed, you know things are happening when the democrat bastion WaPo is jumping aboard with the lab leak theory:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/05/30/beware-expert-consensus-covid-19-lab-leak-theory-shows-why/?

    And FB is also not censoring this either...I]Sounds of furious backpedalling in msm[/I Does anyone else feel like Winston Smith is busy as Hell in the ministry for Truth, deleting and rewriting history inthese times?

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • #4926
    tudderone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    Covid 21 here we come!:rolleyes:

    I believe the numbers are on the rise again here, already. The carry on in the city centre at the weekend (outdoor drinks parties) shows people aren't listening either.


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  • #4927
    Cass
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,625 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    Right, thats enough.

    End of discussion on the NZ shooting.

    I'm not going to keep reading every post, of a subject I have no interest in, and then having to research it trying to find if something is true or not. So I've just deleted the last few posts.

    Move onto another topic.
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  • #4928
    Cass
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    tudderone wrote: »
    I believe the numbers are on the rise again here, already.
    With the recent cyber attack the HSE and HPSC says data is not available.
    The carry on in the city centre at the weekend (outdoor drinks parties) shows people aren't listening either.
    But the outdoor transmission rate is something like 0.1% according to HPSC.

    This is recorded worldwide so not just in Ireland.
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  • #4929
    tudderone
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    Cass wrote: »
    With the recent cyber attack the HSE and HPSC says data is not available.

    But the outdoor transmission rate is something like 0.1% according to HPSC.

    This is recorded worldwide so not just in Ireland.

    I was in a shopping centre today and there was zero social distancing going on, it was like covid was never heard of.


  • #4930
    tudderone
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    Thank god guns are outlawed in New York :rolleyes:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6JAn_gQAQs


  • #4931
    Cass
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,625 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    tudderone wrote: »
    I was in a shopping centre today and there was zero social distancing going on, it was like covid was never heard of.
    That has been happening since day one.

    I've not gone into a shopping centre in the last 15 months and ever seen everyone "obeying" the social distance guidelines. At queues for checkouts, yes, but up and down the mall and aisles, nope.

    According to the latest data (only up to 22nd May) there is 1.72 million first doses and 510,000 second doses administered. That could be up to 2 million 1st doses and 520,000 second doses based on trends as of today.

    I realise asymptomatic people can still spread it, but if 80% of the population (average) are asymptomatic and the rest are being vaccinated and taking other precautions along with 35% having their first dose, and almost 11% fully vaccinated coupled with some level of distancing and continued mask wearing I don't believe the threat is as severe.

    People may be taking it less serious, but I don't believe that to be a sense of recklessness, but more hope coupled with utter contempt for the last 15 months of lockdowns. IOW they've had enough.

    The UK posted over 3,500 new cases today, but no deaths. Their vaccination rate is much higher, hence the quicker lifting of lockdowns.
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  • #4932
    Cass
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    tudderone wrote: »
    Thank god guns are outlawed in New York :rolleyes:
    DeBlasio, how is that defund the police thing working out for you?

    What a donkey. He reckons with the economy opening up thing will quiet down as well as a functioning court system. Does New York not have the same system as California where minor crimes are dealt with in court with RoRs? Why bother arresting people for them to be back on the streets in a matter of hours?

    His anti police stance, the high rate of police retirements and those quitting due to his policies coupled with the ultra liberal court system means people have nothing to fear or lose by committing crime, in New York.
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  • #4933
    Richard308
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    Not sure if I’d do this ?
    California teen girl fights off a bear attacking her dogs https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-57325483


  • #4934
    tudderone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone


    Richard308 wrote: »
    Not sure if I’d do this ?
    California teen girl fights off a bear attacking her dogs https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-57325483

    Seen that, brave woman, bears are not to be messed with.


  • #4935
    otmmyboy2
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 1,586 Mod ✭✭✭✭otmmyboy2


    Chaps(and chapettes),

    You know that whole low priced goods(<€22) exemption from customs duty & vat that is ending shortly?
    Anyone know if that means the "gift" exemption is being removed too?

    Never forget, the end goal is zero firearms of any type.

    S.I. No. 187/1972 - Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order - Firearms seized

    S.I. No. 21/2008 - Firearms (Restricted Firearms and Ammunition) Order 2008 - Firearm types restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 - Firearms banned & grandfathered

    S.I. No. 420/2019 - Magazine ban, ammo storage & transport restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2023 - 2023 Firearm Ban (retroactive to 8 years prior)



  • #4936
    Cass
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    July 1st it ends.

    Gifts are exempt only if the value (of the gift, shipping, etc) is €45 or under. Anything over that amount and its subject to the requisite duties.
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  • #4937
    tudderone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone


    otmmyboy2 wrote: »
    Chaps(and chapettes),

    You know that whole low priced goods(<€22) exemption from customs duty & vat that is ending shortly?
    Anyone know if that means the "gift" exemption is being removed too?

    Its odd, i bought motorcycle parts worth £75 and wasn't charged anything, just the postage. But buying cheaper things off ebay uk and you get nailed :confused:


  • #4938
    otmmyboy2
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 1,586 Mod ✭✭✭✭otmmyboy2


    tudderone wrote: »
    Its odd, i bought motorcycle parts worth £75 and wasn't charged anything, just the postage. But buying cheaper things off ebay uk and you get nailed :confused:

    Customs miss stuff with some regularity, especially if it isn't sent via couriers.
    Also depends on the value declared, etc.

    I've had firearms come in, quite obviously being firearms and declared as such, with the correct import docs etc and not looked at, and a toy pistol which fired foam darts like this one seized for over a month as it was suspected of being a firearm...

    2pcs-Plastic-Soft-Darts-Gun-Glock-17-EVA-Foam-Bullets-Boys-Toys-Gun-Weapon-Pistol-Accessories.jpg_Q90.jpg_.webp

    Go figure :rolleyes:

    Never forget, the end goal is zero firearms of any type.

    S.I. No. 187/1972 - Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order - Firearms seized

    S.I. No. 21/2008 - Firearms (Restricted Firearms and Ammunition) Order 2008 - Firearm types restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 - Firearms banned & grandfathered

    S.I. No. 420/2019 - Magazine ban, ammo storage & transport restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2023 - 2023 Firearm Ban (retroactive to 8 years prior)



  • #4939
    Feisar
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    otmmyboy2 wrote: »
    Chaps(and chapettes),

    You know that whole low priced goods(<€22) exemption from customs duty & vat that is ending shortly?
    Anyone know if that means the "gift" exemption is being removed too?

    I got a Wiebad mini stock pad in and they missed it, I had to go to the bother of ringing up customs to pay for it.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • #4940
    Cass
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,625 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    tudderone wrote: »
    But buying cheaper things off ebay uk and you get nailed :confused:
    They automatically add duty/customs at point of sale.

    Its actually handy cause you get the full price without having to work out anything or do anything.

    Bought a N/S mirror for a car recently. €250 here. With duty and postage it worked at €76 all in. Second hand vs new, i grant you, but the second hand market in the UK is so much bigger and better you've little choice when looking for certain parts.

    Of course it works the other way too. If it goes over €150 or €200 the price after all taxes can be as much as new here.
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  • #4941
    Richard308
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    Karen McDougal: Trump escapes fine in Playboy model payment case https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-57335148
    Well well well, he dodged the bullet


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  • #4942
    Cass
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    See that Kelly McMillan, founder and owner of McMillan rifle stocks passed away.
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  • #4943
    Grizzly 45
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    Cass wrote: »
    DeBlasio, how is that defund the police thing working out for you?

    What a donkey. He reckons with the economy opening up thing will quiet down as well as a functioning court system. Does New York not have the same system as California where minor crimes are dealt with in court with RoRs? Why bother arresting people for them to be back on the streets in a matter of hours?

    His anti police stance, the high rate of police retirements and those quitting due to his policies coupled with the ultra-liberal court system means people have nothing to fear or lose by committing crime, in New York.

    Well if you employ your police force to guard graffiti[political artwork] for a Marixst terrorist organisation that Burned, Looted and Murdered your city, and you did nothing to stop them either.So much that your "Gem of America"AKA 5th Av looks like a demilitarised war sone in some 3rd world dump. Dont be surprised if the rest of your sane constituents are moving out to more liberal,less expensive,and more law abiding states,and no one sane will come near your shthole of a city. Be it NYC or San Fransisco or LA or CA in general.No one is going to pay high taxes and get little or nothing in return for it ither.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • #4944
    tudderone
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    Cass wrote: »
    They automatically add duty/customs at point of sale.

    Its actually handy cause you get the full price without having to work out anything or do anything.

    Bought a N/S mirror for a car recently. €250 here. With duty and postage it worked at €76 all in. Second hand vs new, i grant you, but the second hand market in the UK is so much bigger and better you've little choice when looking for certain parts.

    Of course it works the other way too. If it goes over €150 or €200 the price after all taxes can be as much as new here.

    Buying stuff from America is eyewateringly expensive, Canada even worse. I thought the eu had free trade disagreements with all these countries ?


  • #4945
    tudderone
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    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    Well if you employ your police force to guard graffiti[political artwork] for a Marixst terrorist organisation that Burned, Looted and Murdered your city, and you did nothing to stop them either.So much that your "Gem of America"AKA 5th Av looks like a demilitarised war sone in some 3rd world dump. Dont be surprised if the rest of your sane constituents are moving out to more liberal,less expensive,and more law abiding states,and no one sane will come near your shthole of a city. Be it NYC or San Fransisco or LA or CA in general.No one is going to pay high taxes and get little or nothing in return for it ither.

    But biden just announced that no one on $400K and under would be paying tax :confused:


  • #4946
    Cass
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    tudderone wrote: »
    Buying stuff from America is eyewateringly expensive, Canada even worse. I thought the eu had free trade disagreements with all these countries ?

    I'm not an economist/business person, or the likes so I've no idea how they work, but at a guess they may have a trade agreement, but that does not exempt taxes and duties.
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  • #4947
    Richard308
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    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    Well if you employ your police force to guard graffiti[political artwork] for a Marixst terrorist organisation that Burned, Looted and Murdered your city, and you did nothing to stop them either.So much that your "Gem of America"AKA 5th Av looks like a demilitarised war sone in some 3rd world dump. Dont be surprised if the rest of your sane constituents are moving out to more liberal,less expensive,and more law abiding states,and no one sane will come near your shthole of a city. Be it NYC or San Fransisco or LA or CA in general.No one is going to pay high taxes and get little or nothing in return for it ither.

    Really? (Nypd guarding graffiti)I missed that (have you a link) what with sky high taxes and tough gun laws, crazy property prices it’s no wonder people are leaving


  • #4948
    tudderone
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    Richard308 wrote: »
    Really? (Nypd guarding graffiti)I missed that (have you a link) what with sky high taxes and tough gun laws, crazy property prices it’s no wonder people are leaving

    Have a look at the Tenderloin district in San Francisco :eek:, i thought Ireland had a drugs issue, but nothing like that.


  • #4949
    Munsterlad102
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 553 ✭✭✭Munsterlad102


    Cass wrote: »
    I'm not an economist/business person, or the likes so I've no idea how they work, but at a guess they may have a trade agreement, but that does not exempt taxes and duties.

    This is just conjecture, but I'd say you'd only be exempt from import tax. I'd say you'd still have to pay VAT here and sales tax in America.


  • #4950
    Cass
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    What I meant was there is a free trade of goods but only in so far as the goods can flow into and out of both the EU and America.

    Taxation is a different matter to importation.

    When you buy something from the UK, now, you pay VAT in the UK and VAT here (depending on price Customs too). You can claim the VAT back in the UK as you've paid it here too, but few if any do (on an individual basis).

    I think/believe the same applies to the States.
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  • #4951
    Cass
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    What is he scheming? Criticising his own lockdown then voting to extend it and saying how surprised he is that people have accepted the violation of their civil liberties (another conspiracy theory proved right).

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1399753238279249922



    Its coming up to the half way point of this Government and will soon be time for Leo to take the reigns. Is he planning on sacrificing FF for the remainder of the Government's term to increase FGs popularity and try win back votes?
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