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Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 667 ✭✭✭fm


    So is the traffic light system going to be used in any way to enter Ireland? Say no need for a test from a green eu country?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    All fines are designed to coerce people. This one is no different.

    Why is it not sound?

    Do you seriously believe it is legally sound?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,032 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    kilns wrote: »
    That's from July 19 you are referring to?

    Sorry yeah, that’s my read of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭0lddog


    Do you seriously believe it is legally sound?
    Legally sound or not is no matter.
    It is reminiscent of restrictions imposed by eastern block countries on their citizens for several decades after the second war.
    Only a government with a deep disdain for the rights of their citizens would think it reasonable to impose such a regime.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    0lddog wrote: »
    Legally sound or not is no matter.
    It is reminiscent of restrictions imposed by eastern block countries on their citizens for several decades after the second war.
    Only a government with a deep disdain for the rights of their citizens would think it reasonable to impose such a regime.

    Agree.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,447 ✭✭✭embraer170


    What kind of proof of vaccination does the HSE offer right now for someone with 2 doses?

    Not looking for a digital green certificate or anything else, but something that would allow one to take a work trip to to Germany for example (which exempts vaccinated travellers from testing). I know Germany issues traditional vaccine certificates without problem (either as standalone documents or within a vaccine booklet).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 115 ✭✭naufragos123


    0lddog wrote: »
    Legally sound or not is no matter.
    It is reminiscent of restrictions imposed by eastern block countries on their citizens for several decades after the second war.
    Only a government with a deep disdain for the rights of their citizens would think it reasonable to impose such a regime.

    Couldn't agree more. And I'm really surprised that we're not hearing more about it and that more people are not outraged by it.The replies on that tweet by Didier Reynders posted above by Happydays2020 reveal a lot of very frustrated people, Irish and non who feel trapped here and many are literally begging him to do something. But that's the only place I've seen real anger.

    I really will be aghast if that fine continues right up to July 19th. Whatever about not giving non essential travel the green light until then and whatever about advising no non essential, actually fining EU citizens for travelling out of Ireland to the EU is a blatant violation of rights while the rest of the bloc travel unhindered.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 11,225 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    Van.Bosch wrote: »
    One parent stays with infected kid until the 2 weeks is up and then travels home with them as having “recovered” on the DCC.

    This is a bit ****ty- Would they really stop a parent with a child from boarding if the child tested positive while away?

    What are the requirements to enter Belfast from Spain at the minute?

    I might have to change my flights if NI doesn't require a PCR from Spain.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,120 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    ionnn wrote: »
    So now that the US has been taken off the Mandatory Hotel Quarantine, if I travel home to visit family and I'm fully vaccinated do I still need to quarantine at home as well?

    I Understand you do until July 19th but I’m not positive


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    Van.Bosch wrote: »
    Sorry yeah, that’s my read of it.

    Yeah I was referring between now and then when fully vaccinated people do not carry a risk


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 jn123


    Was hoping to travel to the US early July, doesnt look like the US will be letting Ireland in anytime soon ☹️


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 258 ✭✭Wallander


    I was just thinking about the collapse of cases in continental Europe we have discussed here recently. My very amateur theory behind it is that by allowing infections to run at a higher level throughout the past year with looser restrictions relative to Ireland, most European countries are gaining the first benefits of group immunity at a lower vaccination rate to Ireland (as they have more people who already acquired immunity via infections).

    I could be wrong but I expect we are heading into a period when Ireland will have one of the highest infection rates in the EU until vaccinations allow us to catch up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    0lddog wrote: »
    Legally sound or not is no matter.
    It is reminiscent of restrictions imposed by eastern block countries on their citizens for several decades after the second war.
    Only a government with a deep disdain for the rights of their citizens would think it reasonable to impose such a regime.




    Sure don't we remember well the stories of all those East Berliners crossing into West Berlin for a day out only to be slapped with a fine in the post a few weeks later.


    Exact same thing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Wallander wrote: »
    I was just thinking about the collapse of cases in continental Europe we have discussed here recently. My very amateur theory behind it is that by allowing infections to run at a higher level throughout the past year with looser restrictions relative to Ireland, most European countries are gaining the first benefits of group immunity at a lower vaccination rate to Ireland (as they have more people who already acquired immunity via infections).

    I could be wrong but I expect we are heading into a period when Ireland will have one of the highest infection rates in the EU until vaccinations allow us to catch up.




    The Czech Republic has the highest cumulative infection rate in the EU with about 15.57%


    Ireland is about 5.26%. So that is only a difference of about ~10% in terms of rates of "immunity" from catching it. That 10% isn't going to greatly affect anything





    (As an aside, the rate of population with at least one vaccine is 46.1% for Ireland vs 40% in the Czech Republic)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 258 ✭✭Wallander


    The Czech Republic has the highest cumulative infection rate in the EU with about 15.57%


    Ireland is about 5.26%. So that is only a difference of about ~10% in terms of rates of "immunity" from catching it. That 10% isn't going to greatly affect anything





    (As an aside, the rate of population with at least one vaccine is 46.1% for Ireland vs 40% in the Czech Republic)


    I see it as a short-term rather than long-term situation, but I think an extra 10% immunity could indeed make a difference for a while. Given all infection rates would be underestimates, the true rates could be less like 5-15 and closer to 10-30. I see Czech infection rates are following the continental trend of a sharp dip downwards, their 7-day average is now less than Ireland's.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,395 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    The Czech Republic has the highest cumulative infection rate in the EU with about 15.57%


    Ireland is about 5.26%. So that is only a difference of about ~10% in terms of rates of "immunity" from catching it. That 10% isn't going to greatly affect anything





    (As an aside, the rate of population with at least one vaccine is 46.1% for Ireland vs 40% in the Czech Republic)

    Might be of interest to you,
    Cumulative gardening of blood test since last March
    Both public and private testing gave in the region of between 8 and 10million poles have had antibodies present in there blood samples.
    This information was released by the health minister here last month.
    A bit of controversy over the fact that most didn't give consent for there blood samples to be tested for covid antibodies
    Add in over 20 million have received at least there first does ,infection rates here have crashed over the last 2 weeks.
    Heard immunity is expected by the end of June according to polish health ministry officials.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 725 ✭✭✭M_Murphy57


    Hellrazer wrote: »
    This is a bit ****ty- Would they really stop a parent with a child from boarding if the child tested positive while away?

    What are the requirements to enter Belfast from Spain at the minute?

    I might have to change my flights if NI doesn't require a PCR from Spain.

    I checked and NI require PCR tests for entry too but looks like only for over 11 year olds, unlike here where it's over 7 to make sure it ****s up plans for as many families as possible (because there always has to be a little kick for paddy any time daddy Tony "lets" us have a bit of freedom)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34 jsoc


    Anyone know if the 2000 euro travel fine will be renewed next week up to (incl.) July 18th or is it wait and see what happens next week?
    According to https://assets.gov.ie/134499/bb2a7e1a-4170-446d-b09d-9c024dff8d0c.pdf , the current regulations remain in operation until June 2nd...Is there a newer update to this?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 115 ✭✭naufragos123


    jsoc wrote: »
    Anyone know if the 2000 euro travel fine will be renewed next week up to (incl.) July 18th or is it wait and see what happens next week?
    According to https://assets.gov.ie/134499/bb2a7e1a-4170-446d-b09d-9c024dff8d0c.pdf , the current regulations remain in operation until June 2nd...Is there a newer update to this?

    Nope there isn't. And many of us are waiting in bated breath to see what happens there. I would expect that many are planning to travel before July 19th so it affects them hugely. I'm amazed there's not more talk about it. Last time it was due to expire on May 10th, the day inter county travel came back, but a sneaky little stroke of a pen by Donnelly at the eleventh hour extended it until June 2nd. That's democracy Irish style for you!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Ray Donovan


    Nope there isn't. And many of us are waiting in bated breath to see what happens there. I would expect that many are planning to travel before July 19th so it affects them hugely. I'm amazed there's not more talk about it. Last time it was due to expire on May 10th, the day inter county travel came back, but a sneaky little stroke of a pen by Donnelly at the eleventh hour extended it until June 2nd. That's democracy Irish style for you!

    I’m in the same boat as Nua. Waiting anxiously. Unlike him I believe it will be extended right up to July 18th which would a tremendous kick in the balls to put in bluntly.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 115 ✭✭naufragos123


    I’m in the same boat as Nua. Waiting anxiously. Unlike him I believe it will be extended right up to July 18th which would a tremendous kick in the balls to put in bluntly.

    We'll have to have alternative arrangements on the ready. I'm more worried about flight cancellations. My mid June flight from Cork is still scheduled to go but I'm very anxious.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,032 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    We'll have to have alternative arrangements on the ready. I'm more worried about flight cancellations. My mid June flight from Cork is still scheduled to go but I'm very anxious.

    I can imagine if it does get extended it might not be policed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 441 ✭✭Ms.Sunshine


    What are your thoughts now on uk & Irish travel ? I feel like over the next week they might review it and open it up? Just a theory but I just can’t see them not opening up the common travel route when the USA can travel to Ireland now without MHQ! I can’t get my head around it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,756 ✭✭✭Darwin


    We'll have to have alternative arrangements on the ready. I'm more worried about flight cancellations. My mid June flight from Cork is still scheduled to go but I'm very anxious.

    We've decided to fly with KLM via Amsterdam, don't trust Aer Lingus as they have already shifted the dates on our outbound flight. KLM on the other hand have been rock solid flying into Dublin everyday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 115 ✭✭naufragos123


    Darwin wrote: »
    We've decided to fly with KLM via Amsterdam, don't trust Aer Lingus as they have already shifted the dates on our outbound flight. KLM on the other hand have been rock solid flying into Dublin everyday.

    AL have gone really bad for messing and cancelling but I think Ryanair are better. I've car hire booked too based on the flight arrival and with car hire costs having gone through the roof a flight change /cancellation would really be inconvenient.


  • Posts: 5,506 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Do you seriously believe it is legally sound?

    Not a single judge has said otherwise so again, what is your argument based on?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Ray Donovan


    I just got a text from a friend of mine saying some Green TD let slip in a radio interview in the last few minutes that the travel fine will be let expire. Tried to backtrack but let the cat out of the bag.

    Please Christ let this be true.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Ray Donovan


    We'll have to have alternative arrangements on the ready. I'm more worried about flight cancellations. My mid June flight from Cork is still scheduled to go but I'm very anxious.

    Firstly my Aer Lingus flight was cancelled. So booked Ryanair for same day. Then email from Ryanair saying my flight was moved forward 24 hours. Thankfully it still suits.


  • Posts: 5,506 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The fines going to be extended.

    They have said the 19th July is the date for Non essential travel.


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  • Posts: 5,506 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Hellrazer wrote: »
    This is a bit ****ty- Would they really stop a parent with a child from boarding if the child tested positive while away?

    What are the requirements to enter Belfast from Spain at the minute?

    I might have to change my flights if NI doesn't require a PCR from Spain.

    Are you suggesting that they should allow a positive person on the plane?


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