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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • #3842
    [Deleted User]
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    pgj2015 wrote: »
    not natural but most normal people don't mind wearing one in a pandemic. only weak minded people hate them from my experience. moaners who never stop complaining about the government.

    I hate wearing a mask every day. I hate that we can’t see a full face we thank the server in a shop, I hate having to to constantly ensure there is a mask in the car, working 50% at home, I hate standing up from my home desk and instinctively looking for a mask because it’s engrained from the days at work. I understand it, but I hate it.


  • #3843
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    Silentcorner wrote: »
    Oh another prickly response from Raind...

    Have you ever thought that the snake oil salesmen were the one's you are listening to? Ever asked yourself that...

    Because despite your impressive ability to get very nasty with people who don't agree with you, you have never once, predicted anything that has been remotely accurate....not once.

    I predicted I’d be drinking pints in a pub by July to the distan of this threads hysterical doom mongers.

    And yes the snake oil salesmen are the global public health and epidemiology experts, not the YouTube contrarians


  • #3844
    pgj2015
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,021 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I hate wearing a mask every day. I hate that we can’t see a full face we thank the server in a shop, I hate having to to constantly ensure there is a mask in the car, working 50% at home, I hate standing up from my home desk and instinctively looking for a mask because it’s engrained from the days at work. I understand it, but I hate it.



    To me, its not even an issue. The first time I wore one in a shop it felt weird but I just got used to it. I sometimes come home and walk into my house with it still on without even noticing. There are a lot worse things that could happen us. we have things way too good living in this era.


  • #3845
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I predicted I’d be drinking pints in a pub by July to the distan of this threads hysterical doom mongers

    That's hardly a prediction related to the virus now is it Raind....predicting what this government will do is simple...add three months onto what every other country is doing...

    If you have a strong opinion on this virus, which you do, an informed opinion at time, and you can't make any kind of prediction how this virus will behave then all you have done is out sourced your thinking to people that have been consistently wrong since the beginning of this....

    You are in no position to be calling anyone a snake oil salesman...


  • #3846
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    Is live music allowed in pubs when they reopen?


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  • #3847
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I predicted I’d be drinking pints in a pub by July to the distan of this threads hysterical doom mongers.

    And yes the snake oil salesmen are the global public health and epidemiology experts, not the YouTube contrarians

    But not the epidemiology experts who strongly disagree with severe lock downs....they are the snake oil salesmen...even though they aren't selling anything....


  • #3848
    Stormyteacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 999 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    Deleted User wrote: »
    And was that informed opinion or random musings my friend? Because I believe that comment would more closely match the latter

    I agree it more closely resembles random musings, but the OP reckons they are listening to science.

    This is almost as much of a problem as anti-vax, the more bizarre conspiracy theories and general misinformation that's bandied about. People are very quick to point out misinformation in those cases. It is not just as important to correct peoples misunderstandings when they lean towards disproportionate exaggeration of risk, contrary to scientific understanding of how the virus and its variants behave?


  • #3849
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Glad to see the Government move in the right direction with reopening. It’s not perfect such as why do we’ve to wait until after June bank holiday for outdoor dining, etc to resume. But it’s positive nonetheless. Glad to see indoor dining return in July & EU digital cert being adopted.


  • #3850
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Stormyteacup wrote: »
    I agree it more closely resembles random musings, but the OP reckons they are listening to science.

    This is almost as much of a problem as anti-vax, the more bizarre conspiracy theories and general misinformation that's bandied about. People are very quick to point out misinformation in those cases. It is not just as important to correct peoples misunderstandings when they lean towards disproportionate exaggeration of risk, contrary to scientific understanding of how the virus and its variants behave?

    What I find particularly interesting is how quick certain posters on here call anybody who isn't a regular on mainstream media a "snake oil salesman"...

    Yet those same posters can't name one expert or scientist who has been able to predict how this virus is going to behave as it passes through the population.

    They also believe that anyone who doesn't advocate hard lock downs, is a snake oil salesman...even though those guys aren't actually selling anything.

    But they believe that the experts who do advocate hard lock downs, who have been telling all of us repeatedly that vaccines are the only way out of this, aren't snake oil salesmen.....despite the clear fact they are selling something....

    It's not that hard to figure out what is happening here....


  • #3851
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,227 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Been a while since i felt an array of confidence of a Friday night looking towards the future

    Not happy at some aspects of the new plans, they need to consider post summer in terms of gigs etc


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  • #3852
    Oscar Bravo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,422 ✭✭✭✭Oscar Bravo


    It will be nice to wander in for 5 or 6 cold pints after work again soon :)


  • #3853
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,245 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Been a while since i felt an array of confidence of a Friday night looking towards the future

    Not happy at some aspects of the new plans, they need to consider post summer in terms of gigs etc

    Yeah, they should start slowly, perhaps with a series of trial events of various sizes......


  • #3854
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,219 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    Yeah, they should start slowly, perhaps with a series of trial events of various sizes......

    I think yourself and PTH2009 need to go for a pint together when the pubs open!!!!


  • #3855
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    Silentcorner wrote: »
    What I find particularly interesting is how quick certain posters on here call anybody who isn't a regular on mainstream media a "snake oil salesman"...

    Yet those same posters can't name one expert or scientist who has been able to predict how this virus is going to behave as it passes through the population.

    They also believe that anyone who doesn't advocate hard lock downs, is a snake oil salesman...even though those guys aren't actually selling anything.

    But they believe that the experts who do advocate hard lock downs, who have been telling all of us repeatedly that vaccines are the only way out of this, aren't snake oil salesmen.....despite the clear fact they are selling something....

    It's not that hard to figure out what is happening here....

    Here you go silent. And only the musing of an interested amateur based on observations in March 2020
    “Raind&#8221 wrote:
    10 deaths today is terrible, but people need to realise that for the past two weeks and for the next couple of months we are fighting the battle between thousands of deaths and 10’s is thousands of deaths. It may not be comfortable for people to face this but it is reality. This is why we have taken the measures we have taken. And if we had shut air space in February we may have delayed things, but inevitably this was coming in the absence of a vaccine. What we need to see now are nationwide adherence to the restrictions for the next 6-8 weeks followed by vigilance for the following 12 months with the likelihood of 2 to 3 periods requiring a return to current restriction levels during that time to minimize the impact as much as possible.
    There was never a way we were going to avoid this. And skiers or Cheltenham punters or whoever you choose to blame are not responsible. This is a global pandemic of a virus to which we have natural immunity, An it is now endemic in every country in Europe and much of the world. It was coming here one way or another. Now the fight is to minimise the impact

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112960421&postcount=1296


  • #3856
    PTH2009
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    giveitholly wrote: »
    I think yourself and PTH2009 need to go for a pint together when the pubs open!!!!

    deep down theres mutal respect


  • #3857
    Dr. Bre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,839 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    deep down theres mutal respect

    Yous both won’t the same end goal !


  • #3858
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Here you go silent. And only the musing of an interested amateur based on observations in March 2020



    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112960421&postcount=1296

    This line stuck out...

    "we are fighting the battle between thousands of deaths and 10’s is thousands of deaths. "

    At least now I have a better idea what snake oil salesman you've been paying too much attention to....

    At best, the difference between regions or countries or states who lock down hard and who took the light restrictions route is a couple of percent...factoring in the percentage of people in the vulnerable category, we fared ok given our young population.

    This country was never looking at tens of thousands of deaths...that prediction was utterly preposterous.


  • #3859
    Dempo1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,104 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Some crowd at the darts over in the UK and there cheering now

    NPHET would be clinching there fists watching

    4,000 new cases in the UK today, NPHET might be clinching something soon and it won't be fists

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • #3860
    [Deleted User]
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    Silentcorner wrote: »
    This line stuck out...

    "we are fighting the battle between thousands of deaths and 10’s is thousands of deaths. "

    At least now I have a better idea what snake oil salesman you've been paying too much attention to....

    At best, the difference between regions or countries or states who lock down hard and who took the light restrictions route is a couple of percent...factoring in the percentage of people in the vulnerable category, we fared ok given our young population.

    This country was never looking at tens of thousands of deaths...that prediction was utterly preposterous.

    Did we or did we not have thousands of death not 10s of thousands after pretty much following the path I discussed in March 2020?

    Czech Republic has had the equivalent of 15k here with significant restrictions also.


  • #3861
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,245 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    giveitholly wrote: »
    I think yourself and PTH2009 need to go for a pint together when the pubs open!!!!

    I'd rather eat the glass.


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  • #3862
    Whatsisname
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,810 ✭✭✭Whatsisname


    pgj2015 wrote: »
    I dropped a friend for the covid test, she was coughing all the way, we both had masks on. She tested positive, I never got it.

    we both had cloth masks on.

    I live in a 1 bed apartment with my partner, we sat on the couch together and slept in the same bed all throughout her being positive. I never got it.


  • #3863
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,227 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    I'd rather eat the glass.

    suite yourself


  • #3864
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Did we or did we not have thousands of death not 10s of thousands after pretty much following the path I discussed in March 2020?

    We haven't recorded excess death in 2020 that I can see....so, when you consider that a high percentage of the covid deaths were people who already had serious health complications, given their age and health status...

    I mean, if I were to predict we will have 31,000 deaths approx in this country this year (like we get most years) if we release all restrictions....I won't be too far wrong.

    This virus is no where near as deadly as were led to believe in March 2020....that much is blatantly obvious from the data, the demographics of the people who died with/from Covid is telling us how deadly this is...

    I'd say 10% of deaths were outliers and across all ages...outside of that, we can comfortably predict who the vulnerable were...and those numbers are pretty consistent everywhere, I'm sure there is an outlier somewhere, there always is!


  • #3865
    pgj2015
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,021 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    Whatsisname wrote: »
    I live in a 1 bed apartment with my partner, we sat on the couch together and slept in the same bed all throughout her being positive. I never got it.




    When was this?


  • #3866
    [Deleted User]
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    Silentcorner wrote: »
    We haven't recorded excess death in 2020 that I can see....so, when you consider that a high percentage of the covid deaths were people who already had serious health complications, given their age and health status...

    I mean, if I were to predict we will have 31,000 deaths approx in this country this year (like we get most years) if we release all restrictions....I won't be too far wrong.

    This virus is no where near as deadly as were led to believe in March 2020....that much is blatantly obvious from the data, the demographics of the people who died with/from Covid is telling us how deadly this is...

    I'd say 10% of deaths were outliers and across all ages...outside of that, we can comfortably predict who the vulnerable were...and those numbers are pretty consistent everywhere, I'm sure there is an outlier somewhere, there always is!

    I was asked for any prediction I had made that was accurate and I provided one when I predicted pretty much exactly what happened on the 26th March 2020 - thousands of deaths after 6 to 8 weeks of lockdown at the time and 2 to 3 more periods of similar restrictions. We had 2 such periods and just under 5k deaths. Unlike your snake oil salesmen I don’t believe I have and specialist knowledge other than understanding data and deferring to those who have actual professional knowledge of the area. However, none of the charlatans can claim anything close to as accurate a prediction.


  • #3867
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I was asked for any prediction I had made that was accurate and I provided one when I predicted pretty much exactly what happened on the 26th March 2020 - thousands of deaths after 6 to 8 weeks of lockdown at the time and 2 to 3 more periods of similar restrictions. We had 2 such periods and just under 5k deaths. Unlike your snake oil salesmen I don’t believe I have and specialist knowledge other than understanding data and deferring to those who have actual professional knowledge of the area. However, none of the charlatans can claim anything close to as accurate a prediction.

    That one made me laugh!!!

    So you see the two 6 week surges we have had then? In our traditional flu season....

    You see the demographics of the people who passed from Covid?

    You admit that out door transmission is not a threat to our health system so all out door related restrictions (with the exception of mass crowds) are a complete waste of time and have been since February last?

    You predicted 10,000 of deaths for a year that didn't record any or much excess death!!!

    You wouldn't know a snake oil salesman if he was selling you variant resistant magic beans!!!


  • #3868
    [Deleted User]
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    Silentcorner wrote: »
    That one made me laugh!!!

    So you see the two 6 week surges we have had then? In our traditional flu season....

    You see the demographics of the people who passed from Covid?

    You admit that out door transmission is not a threat to our health system so all out door related restrictions (with the exception of mass crowds) are a complete waste of time and have been since February last?

    You wouldn't know a snake oil salesman if he was selling you variant resistant magic beans!!!

    Who predicted exactly what would happen again? 14 months ago?

    And the first surge happened after flu season


  • #3869
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Who predicted exactly what would happen again? 14 months ago?

    You really are gas....

    Every prediction we saw back then was wildly off....including yours.

    When it became obvious that the predictions were wildly off, did you still stick with the same experts?

    The first surge began in late March, the tail end of our flu season...


  • #3870
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    Silentcorner wrote: »
    You really are gas....

    Every prediction we saw back then was wildly off....including yours.

    When it became obvious that the predictions were wildly off, did you still stick with the same experts?

    So I didn’t predict thousands of deaths following a 6 to 8 week lockdown last year and 2 more periods of lockdown. Because it certainly looks like I did.


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  • #3871
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Deleted User wrote: »
    So I didn’t predict thousands of deaths following a 6 to 8 week lockdown last year and 2 more periods of lockdown. Because it certainly looks like I did.

    Predicting thousands of deaths during flu season is not exactly crystal ball stuff now is it....we lose thousands of people every year during flu season.

    Predicting tens of thousands of excess death is off the wall stuff however.


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